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pointsofdata posted:HR updated our interviewing scoresheet and now there's a list of almost 30 attributes like "Growth Mindset", "Curious", "High Performance Attitude" etc etc This is what you come up with when you're horny for data but don't understand anything besides an ordinal ranking
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pointsofdata posted:HR updated our interviewing scoresheet and now there's a list of almost 30 attributes like "Growth Mindset", "Curious", "High Performance Attitude" etc etc HR and marketing people get more disconnected from work with each new generation Every business operates purely on sentiment now, right? So are there some attributes that are positives in some areas but a viper's kiss in others? "well, we want curious and high performance on the helpdesk, but growth mindset? pass" Mirthless fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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pointsofdata posted:HR updated our interviewing scoresheet and now there's a list of almost 30 attributes like "Growth Mindset", "Curious", "High Performance Attitude" etc etc And of course they're providing in training in how to evaluate on a relative scale each of those 30 attributes along with a myriad set of of examples for the different levels of each attribute right?
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Asleep Style posted:This is what you come up with when you're horny for data but don't understand anything besides an ordinal ranking Relevant Experience 10 Positive Attitude 10 Knowledge of industry 10 Curiosity about world 10 Cultural Fit 10 Career Growth Expectations 10 Not embezelling 1 "A score of 61, not bad!"
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sometimes this whole "big data" thing just feels like individuals in the system trying to scrabble to higher ground as linkedin's algorithm/whatever replaces more and more of their peers if we can't stop killing all the jobs and commoditizing people we might as well contribute to the problem and make a little money right (i understand the irony lol) Mirthless fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Nov 25, 2020 |
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Nov 25, 2020 13:09
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our interview scorecard has like two pages of stuff to fill out and i never have filled out any of them other than the hire/no hire field
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Plorkyeran posted:our interview scorecard has like two pages of stuff to fill out and i never have filled out any of them other than the hire/no hire field how can you do that to the poor HR peon whose kpis depend on those boxes being filled out ???
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how much trouble will I get in for listing my latest 6 months employment as Contractor/Systems Engineer, if it was a mix of contracting and, well, a short stint at one company as a Systems Engineer I wouldn't be worried too much about it if it wasn't the latest thing on my CV, since it's accurate in that it describes excatly what I've done for each of the three companies I worked for in that period, and I've left with a good impression (that I know of) having done what I was primarily hired to do, I wasn't let go or anything I'd have left it out but I've done some fairly interesting things in the time and feel it's a bit, dunno, sad not to be able to mention it? but now I'm worried about reference checking and potential misrepresentation e: I've also mentioned and explained it in the CV summary (about a third of it is taken up by an explanation) just curious how the lot of you would react to an applicant like that (I have a bit over 4 years experience prior to that) Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Nov 26, 2020 |
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i don’t know whether anyone will care about that specifically, but one thing sometimes suggested to handle around weird work history chronology is the skills-based resume (i.e. not chronological)
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Nov 26, 2020 15:09
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I worked for a place for 7 months and I just put (contract) after the title on my resume.
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imo saying you contracted for a while is fine. you can use it to point out how you had to pick new environments and new project details up quickly. contracting does get you more varied experience pretty quickly if you are doing 2-3 month jobs. you may have to pick something from a full time job if they asked you about managing a whole project from planning through execution, but plenty of full time jobs are just looking for people who have a proven history of quickly learning and executing an existing project. i wouldn’t directly say “i was contracting because i couldn’t find a full time gig” even if that really is the reason you were contracting - if someone asks you “why contracting” you can say you “wanted to expand your work experience beyond what last full time job was able to offer”
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Mirthless posted:sometimes this whole "big data" thing just feels like individuals in the system trying to scrabble to higher ground as linkedin's algorithm/whatever replaces more and more of their peers "big data" just means "the largest index doesn't fit in memory on my machine"
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Let me introduce you to my TNG fan theory: bigger Data
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ikanreed posted:Let me introduce you to my TNG fan theory: bigger Data long data stretch armstrong data with arms that stretch all the way to the delta quadrant
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big data was tasha's nickname for him
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recruiter calls me saying she came acroos me on linkedin and wants to talk about my java experience and has an opportunity. talk for a bit then she says well they are looking for a bunch more years experience than me but she will keep her "ear to the ground" for me. what the hell was the point of calling me, your firm has an older resume of mine and you were literally looking at my linkedin.
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A lot of recruiters are scored on how many candidates they get on the phone. She was probably one of them.
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ultrafilter posted:A lot of recruiters are scored on how many candidates they get on the phone. She was probably one of them. yup it's this. if they're pushing you *really* hard to start a phone call without telling you anything first it's probably a red flag. i'll ask them for specific details about the role and company before accepting a call. the shitheads will just come back with emphasizing the need to be on the phone at which point i block them
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Poopernickel posted:big data was tasha's nickname for him fully functional programming
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another online interview today ugh, it gets tiresome, for some reason more than in person
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Private Speech posted:another online interview today The inability to steal office supplies on your way out when you decide you don't want to work there.
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a friend needs to hire a dev for his small software company, what are the good places to post listings these days? my job-hunting strategy has always been to just wait for random recruiters to message me on linkedin so i don't have any personal experience to help him
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You can post jobs on linkedin too
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I’d probably recommend finding a service that will post on multiple sites at once though ziprecruiter or something maybe?
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raminasi posted:a friend needs to hire a dev for his small software company, what are the good places to post listings these days? my job-hunting strategy has always been to just wait for random recruiters to message me on linkedin so i don't have any personal experience to help him whats his location and whats he payin lotsa good options for the 150k sfba dealio that will fail for the 60k buttfuck tennessee dealio
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bob dobbs is dead posted:whats his location and whats he payin LA and idk. one of my questions in response was "have you considered hiring remote"
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accepted a job offer after a year of looking post finishing my PhD, mostly just lurked this thread but feel I developed some strange connection to it and hence felt the need to Just Post not the pie in the sky ideas of what I would be doing but not too far off either, and importantly, pays da bills
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congrats! hopefully you can find some part of the job that excites you and build on that for your next step.
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takeaway from recent interviews is that I should really memorize the syntax of all UNIX commands I guess I can see it since I'm applying for embedded/systems developer roles but it's pretty trivia based; I can get ~70% of them but for the rest I'm going to google or look at man files for a lot of them I know the exact output format but syntax is just whatever I'd think that's a decent enough answer but it didn't seem to satisfy the interviewer
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Carrier posted:accepted a job offer after a year of looking post finishing my PhD, mostly just lurked this thread but feel I developed some strange connection to it and hence felt the need to Just Post phd  also 
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Private Speech posted:takeaway from recent interviews is that I should really memorize the syntax of all UNIX commands those are bad jobs
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Private Speech posted:takeaway from recent interviews is that I should really memorize the syntax of all UNIX commands hmm use used gnu date syntax when we're a bsd date shop, sorry, you fail and you should feel bad (this poo poo doesn't matter)
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Private Speech posted:takeaway from recent interviews is that I should really memorize the syntax of all UNIX commands At my last job, we expected mid/senior-level embedded Linux devs to have some command-line experience. We didn't quiz anybody on ls flags or whatever, but we did expect interviewees to log into a server via SSH and do a live coding exercise all in the terminal. Test was completely open-book, mistakes were OK, manpages or googling was fine. Googling really simple stuff wouldn't be great optics. The thinking was that the CLI is pretty essential to working with embedded Linux. We figured that anybody who's applying for an mid-level Linux job shouldn't need basic training on "how do I edit text files" or "how do I use the compiler for a language I put on my resume". Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Private Speech posted:takeaway from recent interviews is that I should really memorize the syntax of all UNIX commands if it makes you feel better, at my amazon interview the dude wanted me to know that uniq had (I think, maybe it was another one or a flag to cut or sort or something) `-c`, which I didn't. I didn't remember it and ended up talking around a plang oneliner or whatever. anyway my point is, i got the offer because dude wasn't an idiot rear end in a top hat. eventually you will find an interviewer that is not an idiot rear end in a top hat, and then you will get an offer. other option of course is to memorize all the things but ehhh, if you have a job that you don't hate there's no harm in holding out for the coworkers that aren't idiot assholes
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hi interview thread, i’m posting to get an outside perspective, though i probably will just do nothing with any advice i get. i started work at my current and only job last year while i was still in school. i graduated in may and i’ve been here for 1.5 years at this point. at work i janitor regression tests for in-house telecom simulation software. this involves miscellaneous linux wrangling and i’ve been dabbling in jenkins pipelines using groovy. i also use robot framework a bit, though i have no idea if what i do with it has any carryover to things outside my company. aside from that i do a lot of configuring things and sifting through test logs when poo poo breaks. in this time i feel like i’ve haphazardly accumulated some knowledge related to telecom stuff consisting of bits and pieces of 3GPP specs, though i feel like it’s a mess and not any concrete knowledge. currently i’m looking at my prospects for leaving because while i enjoy the people i work with, i feel like i am stagnating hard. the more time i spend here the harder it will be to leave because i am mostly learning about our proprietary tech, and if i were doing any programming then at least i’d be getting practice. even the linux janitoring is a stretch, and i feel like i spend most of my time configuring different proprietary tools that mean nothing to people outside the company. i’m still on a lovely student contract and while it could happen i don’t think i’m going to get offered a full-time position in the near future, as i’ve been passed over for promotion recently while being praised and seen a few people hired on in the meantime. at the same time my squad responsible for CI and test infrastructure has shrunk from 6 people to 4 due to people leaving and we’re stretched kinda thin. tbh i have no confidence in my skills outside of asking people who actually know things and reading+googling. i feel like this job is a bit weird and dead-end, at the same time i’m pretty competent at it and i’ve only ever gotten praise for both my performance and good teamwork, though obviously it means absolutely nothing since i still work for peanuts. i have no idea about the direction i should go. im a barely competent coder, as my education was more ee/telecom so i farted around with embedded stuff a bit, which i was not very good at. what i’m closest to currently is i guess some devops poo poo but i feel like it’s still not very close to what other places call that. with the covid situation being what it is, i haven’t been able to make myself learn any new stuff outside of work, though i was never good at it earlier. finding something new with my set of skills feels impossible, but staying sucks. if i had a proper safety net and could afford to lose my job i’d try threatening to quit just to see if i really matter. i feel like this was a lot of words to say nothing at all, and probably says more about my state of mind right now than anything. i made a shorter post on this topic a month ago in cjs and got the sensible advice to start searching for a new job. after looking through quite a bit of job offers the experience made me write this post. sorry for the terrible formatting, i’m phone posting from bed at 2 am because broke brains
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Fatal Error posted:i started work at my current and only job last year while i was still in school. i graduated in may and i’ve been here for 1.5 years at this point. at work i janitor regression tests for in-house telecom simulation software. this involves miscellaneous linux wrangling and i’ve been dabbling in jenkins pipelines using groovy. i also use robot framework a bit, though i have no idea if what i do with it has any carryover to things outside my company. aside from that i do a lot of configuring things and sifting through test logs when poo poo breaks. in this time i feel like i’ve haphazardly accumulated some knowledge related to telecom stuff consisting of bits and pieces of 3GPP specs, though i feel like it’s a mess and not any concrete knowledge. don't sell yourself short. ci janitors and jenkins in general is an in-demand skillset at companies that are worth working for. (self evident as they're using jenkins and other deployment automation tools. any company that will pass you over for knowing these because they don't see the value will be companies you don't want to work for anyways) Fatal Error posted:currently i’m looking at my prospects for leaving because while i enjoy the people i work with, i feel like i am stagnating hard. the more time i spend here the harder it will be to leave because i am mostly learning about our proprietary tech, and if i were doing any programming then at least i’d be getting practice. even the linux janitoring is a stretch, and i feel like i spend most of my time configuring different proprietary tools that mean nothing to people outside the company. reality check: almost every job you work at will be finagling obscure enterprise software. all of my previous jobs have been working in proprietary stacks and guess what that tells prospective employers: you know how to learn their own unique, poorly documented, proprietary stacks Fatal Error posted:i’m still on a lovely student contract and while it could happen i don’t think i’m going to get offered a full-time position in the near future, as i’ve been passed over for promotion recently while being praised and seen a few people hired on in the meantime. at the same time my squad responsible for CI and test infrastructure has shrunk from 6 people to 4 due to people leaving and we’re stretched kinda thin. tbh i have no confidence in my skills outside of asking people who actually know things and reading+googling. i feel like this job is a bit weird and dead-end, at the same time i’m pretty competent at it and i’ve only ever gotten praise for both my performance and good teamwork, though obviously it means absolutely nothing since i still work for peanuts. promotions don't mean poo poo. my first two jobs didn't promote me while not paying me enough but also telling me that my work was great. my current and soon-to-be-previous job told me my work was great while promoting me without giving me the payraises you'd expect to go with it. everyone will yell this next part at you. they yelled it at me when i was stuck at my last job and didn't have the confidence to go out looking for another gig. they yelled it at me for years until it finally broke through my thick skull. now we're going to yell it at you until you finally get it: the only way to get a meaningful raise is to switch jobs. full stop. your first jump is scary. your second less so. once you've hopped a few times and realize it's no big deal you'll always have the confidence to go out and earn what you're worth which coincidentally will make you much happier at work as you won't feel any particular loyalty or tie to wherever you happen to be working at the time. it's just a job. Fatal Error posted:i have no idea about the direction i should go. im a barely competent coder, as my education was more ee/telecom so i farted around with embedded stuff a bit, which i was not very good at. what i’m closest to currently is i guess some devops poo poo but i feel like it’s still not very close to what other places call that. with the covid situation being what it is, i haven’t been able to make myself learn any new stuff outside of work, though i was never good at it earlier. finding something new with my set of skills feels impossible, but staying sucks. if i had a proper safety net and could afford to lose my job i’d try threatening to quit just to see if i really matter. you're still really early in your career so don't sweat this too much. you still will sweat it. i know because my mentors told me the same thing when i was in your position and i still sweated it. five to ten years from now you'll be able to tell some greenhorn the same thing. devops is a valuable field. there's a lot of places out there who need them. go work for one of them Fatal Error posted:i feel like this was a lot of words to say nothing at all, and probably says more about my state of mind right now than anything. i made a shorter post on this topic a month ago in cjs and got the sensible advice to start searching for a new job. after looking through quite a bit of job offers the experience made me write this post. this used to be called the 'interviewing and job hunting is garbage' thread for a reason. interviewing and job hunting is garbage. it loving sucks. but at the end of the day it's a numbers game. for every pile of terrible jobs and bullshit interviews you hate there's going to be one in there that lines up with what both you and the employer are looking for perfectly, but you won't hit it unless you keep spinning that wheel to hit it. this is also something you'll get better at after you've hopped a few times, knowing red flags and dumping lovely opportunities before they can waste any of your time. it's a skill like everything else Fatal Error posted:sorry for the terrible formatting, i’m phone posting from bed at 2 am because broke brains 
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PIZZA.BAT posted:the only way to get a meaningful raise is to switch jobs. full stop. this is false. don't get me wrong, it's rare, but don't pull "impossible, full stop" when it's not
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seconded. be integral to the org’s mission and have executives who recognize and value not just ‘this place would fall apart w/o me’ or ‘ x% of revenue from my work’ in a well actually fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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and even then its not likely and its generally easier to get a new job.
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PCjr sidecar posted:and have executives who recognize and value lol
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