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champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


cinci zoo sniper posted:

unfortunately people send me data engineering/mlops poo poo because i guess everyone sees that im a data scientist who can code and has no math phd - thus i must be an swe really horny for janitoring airflow or something

I feel this one so badly

I ended up giving up on trying to find anyone willing to hire me for anything stats related and now Iím just a computer mercenary

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps

Nap Ghost

i have a strong weird habit of landing rear end backwards into highly weenieish but low stats jobs that declaim high and low that they are a high weenie factor high stats job

vr job. gofai ai job pretending to be stats ai job. lispjob

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004





what is a "low stats" job

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Achmed Jones posted:

what is a "low stats" job

when your boss says to people you do ai but you actually do linear regression

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

i would trust a decision made by a linear regression far more than any decision made by an opaque black-box "ai"

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





Jabor posted:

i would trust a decision made by a linear regression far more than any decision made by an opaque black-box "ai"

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





champagne posting posted:

I feel this one so badly

I ended up giving up on trying to find anyone willing to hire me for anything stats related and now Iím just a computer mercenary

and yeah same, kind of. one of the most interesting leads to start on early next year is much more focused normal computer stuff - with a flair of weenie even, as bdid puts it

i suspect that in 1-5 years data science as we knew it going to get bodied as part of a normal post-peak hype cycle thing, so might as well get prepared

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


cinci zoo sniper posted:

and yeah same, kind of. one of the most interesting leads to start on early next year is much more focused normal computer stuff - with a flair of weenie even, as bdid puts it

i suspect that in 1-5 years data science as we knew it going to get bodied as part of a normal post-peak hype cycle thing, so might as well get prepared

I expect most companies will realize they either don't have the data needed or the need for data science. For them it'll all be branded back to business intelligence and it'll be back to business as usual

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





champagne posting posted:

I expect most companies will realize they either don't have the data needed or the need for data science. For them it'll all be branded back to business intelligence and it'll be back to business as usual

i agree with you fully. >50% of ďdata scienceĒ as it was before covid hit will be rolled into combinations of bi specialists + data engineering specialists, with many of the simpler problems like chatbot pointing to support articles or structured data record labelling being served by datarobot and automl et. al.

what the field has going for it right now is that thereís a genuine deficit of technical specialists who can properly characterise data quality or value, and it also helps that managers, even people gone through ds ic->management track, have a rather difficult time quantifying value added by data science in many fields (e.g. whatís the dollar value added by improving adaptive search results from 80% recall@3 to 80% recall@2 for a collaborative user interface design program? is achieving that in 3 months slow or fast progress?)

remaining well paying opportunities will genuinely require e.g. phd in computer vision, because the factually required (and, albeit less swiftly increasing, the necessary) specialisation level is going quickly up already anyways. then weíll probably get, like in 10-20 years, another renaissance of data science when more and more of big companies migrate fully into cloud infrastructure, gaining access ml tooling of various vendors. for all the hype cloud has, traditional enterprises are really not in a hurry with it, and for plenty fair reasons at that

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


cinci zoo sniper posted:

what the field has going for it right now is that thereís a genuine deficit of technical specialists


this right here is what's we're gonna put on the yospos currency

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 3, 2006

i never asked for this


lol my dipshit idiot boss signed me up for the comptia data+ certification. I donít work with data like that at all and I have a huge disdain for certs, but it should be a cakewalk cause itís a pilot program and they always pass people in those.

letís see what they have to say about it

quote:

CompTIA Data+ is an early-career data analytics certification for professionals tasked with developing and promoting data-driven business decision-making.

lmao I have senior in my title and I donít touch data or reporting at all. we actually had our most senior dev, absolute genius juggernaut who was with the company 7 years, leave because he had been tasked with making loving pdf reports for a customer and wasnít doing any work on his normal product.

I probably wonít have a new job by the time class starts in Feb so might as well take a free week off work for some learnin. except I know Iíll still be responsible for deliverables in that period. hate this place

the hardest part about hunting now is Iím worried Iím at my salary cap. a lot of the jobs that would be a nice upgrade in pay require poo poo I refuse to do (clearance with the us govt) or specialized skills I donít have outright, but could learn rapidly.

I guess thatís a good filter, just state my expected pay to recruiter and if they laugh and move on, good riddance

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





champagne posting posted:

this right here is what's we're gonna put on the yospos currency

idgi

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER



there's no joke here, it's just, there aren't enough it professionals to go around

zombienietzsche
Dec 9, 2003


just had an interview with a first-party recruiter for a US company. they were actually on PTO in Ukraine visiting their parents. it was like 10pm there. a great "show, don't tell" of what they mean by "remote-first" and "unlimited PTO".

I guess their motivation for mentioning that was kinda like the spelling mistakes in Nigerian prince emails to filter for the most gullible?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps

Nap Ghost

being on pto on the week of christmas doesnt seem very special....

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008



zombienietzsche posted:

just had an interview with a first-party recruiter for a US company. they were actually on PTO in Ukraine visiting their parents. it was like 10pm there. a great "show, don't tell" of what they mean by "remote-first" and "unlimited PTO".

I guess their motivation for mentioning that was kinda like the spelling mistakes in Nigerian prince emails to filter for the most gullible?

aren't even first party recruiters usually on some sort of commission plan? if theres an exact dollar amount over your head then his reasons for staying up like that would be different from yours as a dev

probably still a warning sign but I wouldn't read too far into it

zombienietzsche
Dec 9, 2003


bob dobbs is dead posted:

being on pto on the week of christmas doesnt seem very special....

of course, that part is cool and good. demonstrating that PTO doesn't actually mean PTO the first time I talk to someone in realtime didn't leave a favorable impression. I wasn't aware of internal recruiters earning commission so that does soften it a bit.

I'm moving forward anyway. best case I get pleasantly surprised with what else I learn of company culture, worst case I get PSAT-style practice doing tech screens

cheque_some
Dec 6, 2006
The Wizard of Menlo Park

zombienietzsche posted:

of course, that part is cool and good. demonstrating that PTO doesn't actually mean PTO the first time I talk to someone in realtime didn't leave a favorable impression. I wasn't aware of internal recruiters earning commission so that does soften it a bit.

I'm moving forward anyway. best case I get pleasantly surprised with what else I learn of company culture, worst case I get PSAT-style practice doing tech screens

in my experience, most first party recruiters work kinda crazy hours, but the one I talked to and was asking about it once was saying she works late hours because a lot of candidates are on the west coast, but on the flip side she can kind of pick her own hours, etc. It doesn't necessarily say anything about the hours the rest of the company works.

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.


cheque_some posted:

in my experience, most first party recruiters work kinda crazy hours, but the one I talked to and was asking about it once was saying she works late hours because a lot of candidates are on the west coast, but on the flip side she can kind of pick her own hours, etc. It doesn't necessarily say anything about the hours the rest of the company works.

weird hours are a lot less concerning than "im on pto but still being expected to work"

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





current interviewing status: done with 2/3 of final rounds for this week, have 2 offers in writing already

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007





for anyone in AU looking to get a position at AWS: a colleague of mine got one today, SRE (sys devops i think is that even a thing?) role paying $140k AUD pre-tax plus stock options and a signing bonus. may involve moving to Sydney which would be a big lol, weird that they're giving little clarity as to what is and isn't remote work.

the interview process was entirely via zoom, 5 hours in one day with a 3 hour break in the middle. standard stuff really and no take-homes. the role was for building out some BGP peering stuff that AWS are doing with Python as the main language. dude has little Python experience and only knows C# but he still passed the interview.

soooo yeah, this dude is pretty competent imo but also an anti-vaxxer and semi-chud so the fact that he landed an SRE role at that base makes me think they're desperate in AU. if you're in AU and looking to switch then it might be worth hitting up some AWS listings or asking recruiters about them.

edit: oh yeah re the anti-vaxx thing it's already an issue with him at our current employer and he's being moved off a customer contract because said customer has vaccine mandates. i asked him what he'd do if AWS have vaccine mandates and he just said "lol for $140k i'll just get the vaccine" lmao these ppl

Pile Of Garbage fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Dec 22, 2021

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice


Pile Of Garbage posted:

soooo yeah, this dude is pretty competent imo but also an anti-vaxxer and semi-chud so the fact that he landed an SRE role at that base makes me think they're desperate in AU.

i canít think of a reason aws would care about either of these

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007





raminasi posted:

i canít think of a reason aws would care about either of these

at our current employer the guy is actually being forced off a contract at the end of the year because said contract enforces vaccine mandates so our employer had to find somewhere else to put him. if AWS had a similar kind of arrangement with some outfit or something then the same thing could happen but otherwise yeah i agree it's unlikely.

e: oh and yeah the semi-chud thing :rip: fuckin tech etc.

Pile Of Garbage fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Dec 22, 2021

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





5 hour session with 3 hour break in the middle is 2 1-hour interviews scheduled for the same day

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007





yeah easy poo poo aye

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004





cinci zoo sniper posted:

5 hour session with 3 hour break in the middle is 2 1-hour interviews scheduled for the same day

i read it as 3 hours interview, 3 hours break, then 2 hrs interview (or similar)

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007





i'll clarify but honestly it sounds far easier than what i've seen people mention in this thread for faang interviews

polyester concept
Mar 29, 2017



i had a job interview last week and they asked if i was into crypto or nfts :(

RokosCockatrice
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.


I was scouting someone to work with me at my new gig and their response to "do you do backend work?" was "well I am interested in crypto/smart contracts"

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007





10x yikes dev

Steve Jorbs
Jan 1, 2009


polyester concept posted:

i had a job interview last week and they asked if i was into crypto or nfts :(
Back in March or whenever I was speaking to a recruiter who asked if I was into crypto as conversation. I just told him, "No, not really," and then he went off anyway about his holdings in DOGE, GME, and AMC.

Good Sphere
Jun 16, 2018



Is it extremely unadvisable to accept contract work through a staffing agency? I've done work by contract, but unfamiliar with this.The staffing agency are the ones that pay you. The service they provide is knowledge of your background and skills, so that their clients don't have to interview multiple times. They still usually interview you once. I'm pretty much on board now, besides getting assigned a client, which happens in January.

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.



Steve Jorbs posted:

Back in March or whenever I was speaking to a recruiter who asked if I was into crypto as conversation. I just told him, "No, not really," and then he went off anyway about his holdings in DOGE, GME, and AMC.

This here is the difference between a recruiter and a crooter

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 14, 2013





ABC - always be Ďcrootiní

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004





Pile Of Garbage posted:

i'll clarify but honestly it sounds far easier than what i've seen people mention in this thread for faang interviews

5 1-hour interviews is bog-standard for faang

galenanorth
May 19, 2016



I got this email today from a human resources firm hiring on behalf of someone else:

"Hello! I hope this email finds you doing well.

I received your application for a Python Developer job Iím working on for a client. This role (and other positions Iím working on) are full-time, direct hire. The clients are unable to sponsor a Visa. Can you confirm you are authorized to work in the US now and in the future without assistance?

If so, Iíd love to schedule time for us to chat today or early next week. I would like to go over your resume, understand what your requirements are for your next position, and talk to you about a few roles that might line up with what you are looking for/needing.

Thanks for your time and interest. I look forward to hearing from you."

I was visiting my mom in the hospital at the time it was sent, 1pm, because she went to the emergency room a few days earlier when her colonostomy bag started to drain into an open wound from a previous surgery and vice versa, noticed when bright red blood started appearing in her poop pouch. Anyway, I'm thinking of not mentioning that I'm responsible for taking care of her when she comes home, like packing her wounds with gauze to make sure they heal from the bottom up, without which inaccessible pockets of skin prone to infection can form, or anything like that. I may have to go to the hospital some time if the surgical team says they've changed her wound care and I need to come in for a lesson. I don't want to be seen as making excuses or make them afraid I need accommodation or that I'd request leave as soon as I'm hired, so I guess not mentioning it is probably best. I've applied to like 200 places and this is my first legit programming interview offer ever

I had a prior discussion here from when I accidentally applied to a non-remote job and got a reply (my reply ended up getting no reply)

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3845966&pagenumber=462&perpage=40#post517436168

It's 6:53pm now. I'll email them tomorrow morning that I'm a U.S. citizen and available any time that day or the 26th, or I could go ahead and send it now

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 23, 2021

Plorkyeran
Mar 21, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed


Good Sphere posted:

Is it extremely unadvisable to accept contract work through a staffing agency? I've done work by contract, but unfamiliar with this.The staffing agency are the ones that pay you. The service they provide is knowledge of your background and skills, so that their clients don't have to interview multiple times. They still usually interview you once. I'm pretty much on board now, besides getting assigned a client, which happens in January.

staffing agency jobs tend to be the bottom tier of software jobs in terms of pay and technical challenge. if you're looking for something relatively short-term that isn't high-pressure and doesn't expect you to work more than 40 hours/week it can be a good route.

cheque_some
Dec 6, 2006
The Wizard of Menlo Park

polyester concept posted:

i had a job interview last week and they asked if i was into crypto or nfts :(

I read this as "crypto or NTFS"

galenanorth
May 19, 2016



The recruiter said that the people hiring for her positions were looking for someone with work experience but that she'd keep my resume on file for more junior positions for later. When asked about my personal projects, I think I started to ramble before coming to a stop, but otherwise I think it went all right. I got asked if the "three years" I worked on my projects was 8 hours a day or whenever I had time. I said whenever I had time. I divided my 2,850 total hours by 52, then by 40, then by 3 and it came out to 3.6 hours per day, so that was the right answer, but I hope they don't interpret it as "hardly anything". Maybe I should put the exact amounts in my resume.

edit: When I include 5,393.7 hours spent studying (8,243.7 total including the personal projects), though, that comes out to 10.6 hours per day by the same process, though that's actually over six years.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Dec 28, 2021

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Fart Sandwiches
Apr 3, 2006

i never asked for this


Since I have decided to look for a job, the best I could muster was updating linkedin a bit and couldn't find the motivation to even work on my resume. Current work was just consuming my time and I was exhausted. Now that we've beaten a deadline I was given the week off and first thing I see on linkedin is a former coworker just got a director position at a company I'm interested in working, which I have also partnered with on projects in the past. My job title aligns with their open positions and the salaries are right, and it's all remote. This is almost too perfect but I finally have the motivation to slam out some killer resume poo poo and get that job.

So for all you cyber punks out there losing hope because of depression and exhaustion and work killing you, there may be hope! I'm gonna slow roll this a bit because I don't wanna get too excited! This dude has actually interviewed me before as part of an internal thing so let's hope he still likes me.

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