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also cinci the post you made a while back about scandi companies doing personality tests is pretty bizarre, very much would not have expected that from EU companies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29724414 saw this recently but kinda hosed up and surprising that companies actually use it, esp in Sweden
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in america there was a sandwich chain that tried to impose a two-year noncompete on its minimum wage sandwich maker employees
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:also cinci the post you made a while back about scandi companies doing personality tests is pretty bizarre, very much would not have expected that from EU companies. the only personality test i have done was for a job at abn amro in amsterdam. swedes were waterboarding me with literal repeated classical iq tests
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:kinda curious how the new intersection of remote work whereby computer touchers like us work for US companies but on a local contract from a local subsidiary will work out in conjunction with US culture. the work is adjusted to the local laws. its really not hard. like take that PTO thing as an example: the reality is its not a problem in the slightest because deadlines are all bullshit. the only thing thats gonna happen is some micromanager might make a stink about it, but you just ignore them and they go away.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:the only personality test i have done was for a job at abn amro in amsterdam. swedes were waterboarding me with literal repeated classical iq tests oh loving lol and lol my old job (lovely dutch startup run by cokeheads) made us do personality tests too (whilst already employed), still have no idea why, since they had plenty more and better ways to manipulate us
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Shaggar posted:the work is adjusted to the local laws. its really not hard. like take that PTO thing as an example: the reality is its not a problem in the slightest because deadlines are all bullshit. the only thing thats gonna happen is some micromanager might make a stink about it, but you just ignore them and they go away. if your company is nice and managers are human beings, sure (this is the 20% of companies that you hope you are in) if your company has power tripping managers who don't give a gently caress about their people they will probably blame you for following the local laws and sabotage you as a result then you probably have bigger problems anyway and they'd gently caress you around anyway so i guess i don't really disagree with you
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the no iq tests was the supremes in 1971, because a power plant was requiring a high school degree and IQ/aptitude tests for all employees to be promoted from the labor department (the lowest paid department). the court found that the power plant was using the qualifications and IQ/aptitude requirements to illegally discriminate against black employees. IQ tests administered by personnel offices were a very frequently done thing before that case.
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In BC they'll only enforce a non-compete if you're going to a direct competitor to do a specific thing that is highly sensitive to your old business, and you certainly cannot take your old clients with you or approach them for a length of time. In practice, it's very rare for anyone to get sued since the courts here are loath to enforce anything that could be seen as overly broad.
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re: non competes and Denmark: in 2016 a couple of employment laws were consolidated and basically killed non competes. you can still have it, but “The employee has to hold a particularly trusted position The company has to describe in the clause, why the clause is require” and for the duration, which is maximum 12 months you must pay people 60% of their salary (40% if the non compete is only six months) more terrrible law reading: https://www.iuno.law/news/new-rules-on-non-competition-and-non-solicitation-clauses-in-denmark/
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Everywhere should require paying all of a person's compensation for the duration of the noncompete. It would remove companies using it for the chilling effect, which is bad for the economy, and only use it when the competition substantially impacts the business.
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agree. if you want me to do poo poo you gotta pay for it. When the checks stop so does me caring what you think
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sgtm implemented in california 150 years ago
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champagne posting posted:re: non competes and Denmark: in 2016 a couple of employment laws were consolidated and basically killed non competes. you can still have it, but I already posted this once ITT, but the local rules are * Narrowly defined (e.g. I couldn't go write master key system solvers based on combinatorial optimization, lol) * Max length of 1 year * At least 50% of expected total comp if you stayed with the old employer (Used to be 100% for few years) So yeah, you don't really see them around here.
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just had a call with a recruiter who insisted on a number and i gave them $texas (like, added 80k to my current TC) and they revealed the max compensation for the position and asked me if i was still interested. the system works!
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i just landed a new job after extreme burnout working at my current place of employment for 10+ years. the interview process was nerve wracking as hell because it's been so long. but i got a small bump in pay, a bunch of perks, and seems like the new place will be overall better for my mental health. yay me 
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congrats!
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polyester concept posted:i just landed a new job after extreme burnout working at my current place of employment for 10+ years. the interview process was nerve wracking as hell because it's been so long. but i got a small bump in pay, a bunch of perks, and seems like the new place will be overall better for my mental health. this could have been meeeeeee I have my resume floating at a few places with friends so I might hear something by friday in the meantime I'm accidentally crushing it at my job I hate but the problems to solve are just too juicy to ignore and I'm addicted to being right
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Fart Sandwiches posted:this could have been meeeeeee I remember this being my last job. People there were getting away with murder, to excel all that was required was to just do the job properly. At the same time, it was jarring to go back into big tech and be surrounded by very smart people again who knew what they were doing. Can't turn down that 66% pay rise though plus honestly working with people smarter and better at the job than you is where you really progress as an engineer.
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I'm getting mixed signals on how much you actually hate it but I too am sometimes a glutton for punishment so I understand completely.
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zombienietzsche posted:I'm getting mixed signals on how much you actually hate it but I too am sometimes a glutton for punishment so I understand completely. To use a video game analogy, it's like smurfing in the low ranks. Yes you are surrounded by idiots, but that doesn't mean running around with dualies no armor and getting called a hacker every other game isn't fun.
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Congrats polyester, I firmly believe that the real figgies are the mental health we maintain along the way. I've got some offers coming in, and an interview with Amazon next week. I believe Amazon is a net societal harm but it turns out there is a lot of money in societal harm. The offers I do have vary so wildly it's insane, like the series B startup offering 50% more in base pay, plus equity, for a fully remote Staff Engineer role vs a hybrid Principal Role in a more established org that is majorly strengthening its engineering team and developing it as a core competency. I assume I should factor in the risk that the startup might not be around in 2 years? I also assume that the Principal org also just doesn't know what software engineering costs and I should make them aware of the other offer. Money aside I'm leaning towards the lesser title as I think I'll be around more and better engineers to have as role models. Edit: qhat posted:To use a video game analogy, it's like smurfing in the low ranks. Yes you are surrounded by idiots, but that doesn't mean running around with dualies no armor and getting called a hacker every other game isn't fun. Oh yeah, we are definitely on the same page here and this is directly relevant to the two offers I mentioned above.
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qhat posted:To use a video game analogy, it's like smurfing in the low ranks. Yes you are surrounded by idiots, but that doesn't mean running around with dualies no armor and getting called a hacker every other game isn't fun. lol
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Achmed Jones posted:congrats! zombienietzsche posted:Congrats polyester, I firmly believe that the real figgies are the mental health we maintain along the way. hell yeah
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zombienietzsche posted:it turns out there is a lot of money in societal harm oh it's the new thread title
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DuckConference posted:oh it's the new thread title
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zombienietzsche posted:Congrats polyester, I firmly believe that the real figgies are the mental health we maintain along the way. You should factor in that risk, but SWEs are a hot commodity so the risk of not finding a new job is extremely low. 50% more salary plus lottery tickets is way to good to turn down just because it's a startup unless there are other reasons.
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zombienietzsche posted:Congrats polyester, I firmly believe that the real figgies are the mental health we maintain along the way. Unless you want to negotiate a better offer not just for yourself but for all the other people they’re planning to build this team with I’d go with the good role models.
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qhat posted:honestly working with people smarter and better at the job than you is where you really progress as an engineer. This so loving much.
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but doctor, I am the smarter and better engineer
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at my last job my coworker turned manager has been a sysadmin for 10 YEARS and still cannot stand up a vsphere cluster , configure a router or write a script so I did absolutely everything and it pissed me off so much he was getting paid to do nothing, even though he was a nice guy the last 2 weeks before I left all I did was recorded zoom meeting all day everyday explaining how to do the basics of the job
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Perplx posted:at my last job my coworker turned manager has been a sysadmin for 10 YEARS and still cannot stand up a vsphere cluster , configure a router or write a script i stood up a vsphere cluster a year after first adminning one and never touching it before then and with no formal training in it lol
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welp, just got "mixed" feedback on a coding interview that i thought went great. quite a surprise, very odd apparently did well on system design so hopefully i'm not hosed
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my homie dhall posted:but doctor, I am the smarter and better engineer i work with plenty of people who are smarter and/or better and/or harder workers but you don't have to go too far into anything difficult or interesting before you're way too deep into the rabbit hole for anyone to be able to help you
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Captain Foo posted:i stood up a vsphere cluster a year after first adminning one and never touching it before then and with no formal training in it what was the datastore situation tho
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graph posted:what was the datastore situation tho iscsi to an emc vnxe
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Fart Sandwiches posted:well i got hit hard by a non-compete i signed over 10 years ago. i completely forgot about it and i should have asked but when i tried to give my two weeks my boss said "you know the company is gonna sue you" so i am now working under duress... gently caress. I told new company about it and they basically said they have to pass because of it. boss promised (not in writing because he's a oval office) to get me the same raise offered but I have to wait till july. so I just blasted my resume to all my friends and told them the situation. The plan is to work somewhere to wait out the 1 year non-compete and then go back to the company i want to work for. this should at least get me a better title and pay anyway in the long run. just really pissed at how naive i am right now, but this is the first time i'm switching jobs so live and learn if you really need a whole year, have you considered moving to somewhere the noncompete is not enforceable? moving is a big pain in the rear end but a year out of an industry might make it harder to get back in. a lot can happen in a year.
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:if you really need a whole year, have you considered moving to somewhere the noncompete is not enforceable? moving is a big pain in the rear end but a year out of an industry might make it harder to get back in. a lot can happen in a year. I literally just moved! it's not industry changing I have to do, just role change. i like working in training and instructing but I can't do that for a year so I'll just go do some ops for a while, get my skills more relevant and go back to training with higher title/pay. I have my resume floating at a few places and will start to hear back next week. also my lovely boss almost died in a car wreck last week and came back from the hospital talking about work life balance and how he realizes he's been wasting his and our lives on work and nothing is that important so.... we will see how long that lasts till I leave
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so after quitting my job and joining a bootcamp I got an unreal offer for 125k for a fully remote full stack job! I was always planning on asking for 5k more but I was kind of shocked by the offer. is it gonna seem greedy if I ask for 130k despite this being my first tech job
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No ask for 135
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