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PIZZA.BAT posted:my best was a redhat recruiter who FLIPPED. 'i knew the moment you walked through the door all you cared about was money. we only hire people who are above that' it sounds like someone took the “only free if your time is worthless” quip a bit too seriously
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got some recruiter spam from raytheon the slowness/bureaucracy, and (i'm assuming) lack of remote and low comp make it a no but a few years ago working on weapons would have been a hell no, and today I don't know how I feel anymore. the mental image has shifted from "blowing up an iraqi wedding" to "protecting a ukranian town from iranian drones" and that's definitely a different vibe.
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i turned down an offer from raytheon for similar reasons. it would've been such insanely interesting work - reverse engineering mystery boxes that people find, perhaps developing the same for the american/allied side - with people i really liked, but at the end of the day it would've been analyzing and likely building things that under reasonable interpretation count as weapons. i know exactly how i'd feel if a weapon i made was used to take down a power plant and people froze to death because of it. that's not a line i'm willing to cross binary exploitation is amazingly fun, but the Real poo poo jobs in that area have some really dark places they could go, and i'm not at all convinced i'd be in a position to say "this is for blowing up missiles and i'll do it, but this is for destroying generators so i won't"
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Oct 28, 2022 21:33
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you would definitely not be in such a position. you're just developing the technology, you don't need to know specifically what target it will be used on, so they wouldn't tell you
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yes, i was trying not to come across as too preachy
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i suppose the secrecy provides a psychological feeling of plausible deniability? hey, maybe your stuff really is used on bad guys instead of innocents. who knows, you could be the one guy in the firing squad who's shooting blanks
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DuckConference posted:got some recruiter spam from raytheon Not advice, to each their own. I worked for Big Def Co 1 for 5 years most of that time on one military aircraft. The use cases of that aircraft air clear, limited by physics, and essential to the mission it serves. I then got $30K more to work for Big Def Co 2. I have regrets about working on a system that has extremely destructive potential. Fortunately they didnt win the EMD prime contract. That line is different for different people but it was not worth the money or company move to work on a system I did not agree with the potential uses of.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:i suppose the secrecy provides a psychological feeling of plausible deniability? hey, maybe your stuff really is used on bad guys instead of innocents. who knows, you could be the one guy in the firing squad who's shooting blanks i dunno how much better that really is. about 10 years ago i worked at a startup that was acquired and rolled into a product used daily by 20%+ of the world. the product our technology was eventually rolled into was totally benign and probably ended up being a net positive to the world, however the road to acquisition involved selling access to the technology to folks who definitely intended to use it to kill people. there's a fair chance the tech ended up being used by the folks looking to kill, but i'll never be certain, and that really loving bothers me.
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Frozen Peach posted:Got laid off on the 3rd and went nuts throwing my resume at every position that looked like a fit. It's been a stressful few weeks but I got a ton of interviews and did so many terrible coding challenges and assessments. It's wild out there. I hate it. I even got fizzbuzzed for a senior software engineer position. Who the gently caress fizzbuzzes a software engineer with 14 years of experience and a github full of personal and professional projects? One of my coworkers have about 20 years of experience between the valley and here. He said in his last interview they made him do 2 leetcode style of problems.
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DuckConference posted:got some recruiter spam from raytheon i dont think you should work on weapons homie
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AnimeIsTrash posted:i dont think you should work on weapons homie there are a few cool things raytheon does -- almost any US job at the south pole (aside from academics) will be raytheon edit: i take that back. apparently things have changed from when i interviewed over a decade ago outhole surfer fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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Yeah i'm sure there are different divisions in the company. I'd still feel uncomfortable working for a weapons company but I guess it's less bad if you're working on stuff that isn't weapons or weapons related. I had a friend that worked for honeywell and quit on the spot when they swapped him over to a DOD program.
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not only is weapons-adjacent engineering morally or ethically suspect, in my experience the organizational culture, choice of technology, and many other elements of work were not great. I’m sure other people have had different experiences and there may be more professional or skilled and motivated workplaces than my sample, but I know what I know. a couple of years doing that kind of work in a few places left me feeling like a lot of defense spending is, in effect, welfare/make-work for STEM degree-havers or can feel like it. This is a sentiment that I have found in other people who worked in or near defense.
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the military as a whole is sadly not only a jobs and welfare program, but that is one of the purposes it has
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the startup that made me a crappy offer said they'd be ok with me starting in march (because they can't buy out the year-end bonus i'm expecting this year). they have to expect that me "accepting" that means i'm going to spend four months looking for better offers, right? that couldn't possibly surprise them?
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DuckConference posted:got some recruiter spam from raytheon lmao
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These weapons will only be used on bad guys so it's ok to make them
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prisoner of waffles posted:a couple of years doing that kind of work in a few places left me feeling like a lot of defense spending is, in effect, welfare/make-work for STEM degree-havers or can feel like it. This is a sentiment that I have found in other people who worked in or near defense. i interned at a national lab in college and had this realization. then one of my friends used to work at Boeing Defense and he described it as a jobs program for conservative engineers. I don't know what the pay is like for full time staff, but coupled with the security clearance process I don't think they could pay me enough to get me to go back.
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prisoner of waffles posted:not only is weapons-adjacent engineering morally or ethically suspect, in my experience the organizational culture, choice of technology, and many other elements of work were not great. I’m sure other people have had different experiences and there may be more professional or skilled and motivated workplaces than my sample, but I know what I know. my first internship in college was at a company that did a lot of defense contracting (but our federal contract was non-defense related) and it was the dullest, most inefficient pretend work environment ive ever experienced and that's saying something (see: my posts in the pretending to do work megathread)
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Having worked at a company acquired by a large defense contractor then transitioned to an explicitly military focused project I had an effort post in mind the other day about the ethics and crushing corporate bureaucracy, but it can be summarized by Don't loving do it.
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PokeJoe posted:These weapons will only be used on bad guys so it's ok to make them if theres one thing american armaments are famous for, its not falling into the wrong hands
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No one innocent has ever been hurt by an American weapon
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If you got hit by a missile you were an enemy combatant. Sorry that's just the rules now
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PokeJoe posted:If you got hit by a missile you were an enemy combatant. Sorry that's just the rules now in the future the drones will be able to use facial recognition, personal info databases and machine learning to write a valid legal justification for your death in the time between the release of the projectile and it killing you
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qirex posted:in the future the drones will be able to use facial recognition, personal info databases and machine learning to write a valid legal justification for your death in the time between the release of the projectile and it killing you by the time we get that far, quote:lol. lmao. will be considered a perfectly valid reason for murder by drone.
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qirex posted:in the future the drones will be able to use facial recognition, personal info databases and machine learning to write a valid legal justification for your death in the time between the release of the projectile and it killing you There's a Douglas Adams book about software which does fabricates retroactive justifications for the business decisions you already wanted to make. Man was a visionary.
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is there anyone other than Netflix that pays top dollar while also supporting remote roles?
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Clockwerk posted:is there anyone other than Netflix that pays top dollar while also supporting remote roles? im remote at google. but like the rest of faang, hiring is mostly (but not completely) frozen
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Clockwerk posted:is there anyone other than Netflix that pays top dollar while also supporting remote roles? my feeling is that by now big well paying corps are not eager to hire people directly to full remote. however people who lucked out during the covid goldilocks time and got it approved (and people who are established enough in well placed teams) can do it. i think the most you can get in a big place when applying is a promise of 2-3 days of wfh per week, and then depending on how the wind blows you may be able to graduate to full remote i would not trust any promise of full remote unless you are a load bearing manager or ic already. i know my company has gone from "well wow we can work remote, this is the new normal" to "no, actually, face to face in person contact is really important" to "ok fine we 3 days wfh it is" and have been trying to roll back even those 3 days since then by way of trying to gauge how many people would quit if they did it i am pretty sure other bigcorps are doing the same poo poo because why not
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it really depends on where you look there are a lot of orgs that were remote way before the pandemic, and there are plenty that aren't trying to shift back I just closed out my 10th year of being exclusively remote across four startup gigs and two university gigs
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maybe i just suck at the job search but searching for remote i always get positions that have “disclaimer - remote means 2 days at the office” somewhere and i feel like every non full remote company is putting that noise out so they can drown out the real full remote places
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4lokos basilisk posted:maybe i just suck at the job search but searching for remote i always get positions that have “disclaimer - remote means 2 days at the office” somewhere and i feel like every non full remote company is putting that noise out so they can drown out the real full remote places part of it is just *asking* my first full time remote git was offered to me as a office work in an expensive city. i countered with "how about i just work from my current inexpensive city and we don't worry about relo", and they reluctantly agreed.
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I’ve worked with multiple companies that said gently caress office work for technical positions, not because of any altruism about work life balance or all that but rather that talent is easier to find nationwide and retain with remote. Requiring in office is asking to shrink your talent pool, but these companies are in a large Ohio metro area and not NYC or CA which probably plays a role.
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i am a moron posted:I’ve worked with multiple companies that said gently caress office work for technical positions, not because of any altruism about work life balance or all that but rather that talent is easier to find nationwide and retain with remote. Requiring in office is asking to shrink your talent pool, but these companies are in a large Ohio metro area and not NYC or CA which probably plays a role. the companies in nyc and ca often benefit *more*. Pay $150k to someone in Pennsyltucky and they can live like they make $300k on either coast
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yeah i guess my problem is also that i already live in an expensive city, which narrows down a lot the number of full remote places that would be willing to pay this much
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i haven't really looked at either of these, but they're in my notes for my next job search https://github.com/nmajor25/companies-hiring-remote-devs https://himalayas.app/companies e: maybe not top-dollar though
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i had a lot of good luck here before the pandemic. not sure what it's worth today: https://weworkremotely.com/
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thanks for all the feedback. I’m starting to realize that I have most likely missed my window, but maybe I’ll get lucky. appreciate the links, I’ll check them out 
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Stackoverflow search was the best for remote jobs imo until they canned it, nowadays LinkedIn has some useful filters and generally most of the good jobs, you have to read the ad carefully though
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