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calling hbag the yospos success story might be a tad premature.
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Achmed Jones posted:yup that's definitely what i said. chill out chicken little. go try an interview and see what happens lmao. kinda difficult with no valid experience. would you accept my resume for an interview? gonna guess the answer is no.
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Jan 19, 2023 21:24
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just say java dev instead of websphere specifically is what achmed was sayin resumes are marketing documents. they have the same relation w the truth as any other marketing document bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 21:26
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bob dobbs is dead posted:just say java dev instead of websphere specifically is what achmed was sayin "what did you work on for the last 9 years?"
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Jan 19, 2023 21:27
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carry on then posted:gonna guess stop being an annoying little coward and find out.
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carry on then posted:"what did you work on for the last 9 years?" sounds like a question youd get asked in the interview.
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Jan 19, 2023 21:28
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yes. it's nine years of writing software in a major language for money. the "doesn't count because it's on websphere" nonsense is just you being goofy lol that you think people who work on internal services at faangs don't get senior titles and fat stacks. you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're just so SURE that the deck is stacked against you that you better not even try anything
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Jan 19, 2023 21:28
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carry on then posted:"what did you work on for the last 9 years?" "enterprise java dev"
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post hole digger posted:calling hbag the yospos success story might be a tad premature.
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Jan 19, 2023 21:36
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carry on then posted:"what did you work on for the last 9 years?" a variety of web-adjacent java poo poo, sounds like. every one of these posts is mopey garbage dwelling on the irrelevant. if the pity party's working for you, don't let me mess up the vibe, but maybe let someone else, possibly a hiring manager or HR person, tell you these things? instead of just jackin it alone thinking of all the bad things some fictional made-up person might say if you went and asked for a job
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Jan 19, 2023 23:46
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my number one piece of career advice (for everyone) is: do lots of interviews. Do them every 6 months to stay in practice. If you dont actually want the job you're interviewing for that's even better. Because when you see a job you DO want, that is not the interview you want to be your first interview in 8 years. It will help you get past all the bullshit and the fear and anxiety and all the rest, it'll get you experience on what people will ask and what people will say, and it will even broaden your professional network. Interviewing for jobs you dont want is cool and good and everyone should do it WAY more than they do.
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Jan 19, 2023 23:53
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i told a startup I could write bare metal C when my background was 4+ Intel proprietary languages and verilog forums user 'csammis' from the gray side wanted to do embedded dev. they "hosed around," as you were advised to, and somehow they didn't piss the chance away moaning about how it was a "2nd job." they got one solid project up on github and, THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT, shopped that experience around to a bunch of places until they found one that didn't really mind how fresh they were on the topics and were willing to invest some on that ramp so, I really truly do not care if you heard one place reject you because they wanted to box someone as "frontend" or "backend." ive seen multiple folks change domains far more drastically than you're whimpering about
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Jan 19, 2023 23:55
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if you're saying to yourself "oh i dont want to waste their time" gently caress them, waste that hour of their day, they're getting paid for it. if you're saying to yourself "oh i dont want to waste my time" gently caress that, 12 hours of your time every six months to a year is not that valuable when compared to the career advancement benefits it pays.
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i did an interview just for practice a few months ago and it turned out to be like the platonic ideal of what i'm good at and enjoy, but i could only negotiate them as far as what would be a 10% pay cut. big shame in the end
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harping on the web sphere thing is weird imo. do you think people describe themselves as, like, tomcat devs? you do enterprise Java, there’s lots of enterprise Java in the enterprise, those people make loads of cash. go interview at some lovely startups that you don’t care about as an enterprise Java developer, read ctci or whatever, and see how it goes.
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kitten emergency posted:harping on the web sphere thing is weird imo. do you think people describe themselves as, like, tomcat devs? you do enterprise Java, there’s lots of enterprise Java in the enterprise, those people make loads of cash. go interview at some lovely startups that you don’t care about as an enterprise Java developer, read ctci or whatever, and see how it goes. ccccconsider reasonable options????? why, I can simply wallow in this misery and make everyone watch...
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Jan 20, 2023 00:49
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you really are time machine hbag
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why what did i do this time
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you went back to 2004, registered an account as jawnv6, then kept doing your thing for almost 20 years
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do you have a script set up that alerts you when someone says hbag or something
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nudgenudgetilt posted:you went back to 2004, registered an account as jawnv6, then kept doing your thing for almost 20 years jesus christ jawn you gonna just sit there and take this poo poo??
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post hole digger posted:do you have a script set up that alerts you when someone says hbag or something no its called "checking any thread in my bookmarks as soon as theres new posts"
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nudgenudgetilt posted:"yes" would have done. sorry, i was specifically trying to say "gently caress around at work" instead of trying to do it outside of work but I definitely did not make that clear enough
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kitten emergency posted:do you think people describe themselves as, like, tomcat devs? uhhh [raises paw]
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in six weeks i am going to start a job writing go to run in kubernetes on gcp, despite having literally zero experience with any of those things. i didn't even lie and say i did to get hired. someone's probably going to quote that tech stack and say "condolences" or something but whether they're ultimately right or wrong, their opinion now is far less valuable than me giving it a shot and seeing what happens so i know for myself.
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go is many lovely things but hard to learn it is not and someone else is prolly gonna janitor k8s so itll be fine
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rotor posted:uhhh [raises paw]
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any time i've had the misfortune of trying to source-dive golang code it's been kind of a pain in the rear end like digging through a huge carboard box full of packing peanuts that supposedly contains a non-packing-peanut thing in there somewhere. everything's an indirection to an indirection.
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yeah, I have to regularly source dive terraform providers and that is a special kind of garbage
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The Fool posted:yeah, I have to regularly source dive terraform providers jeez, what sins did you commit in a past life or your current life i guess
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made a deal at the crossroads to be able to make 6 figgies with no real skills
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The Fool posted:made a deal at the crossroads to be able to make 6 figgies with no real skills i thought you already touched computers
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Sapozhnik posted:any time i've had the misfortune of trying to source-dive golang code it's been kind of a pain in the rear end people talk about how easy it is to read go but my experience with it has consistently been that that's only true if you're talking about it on the level of how easy it is to understand an individual line of code. it's very reminiscent of bad enterprise java except somehow even more verbose
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carry on then posted:lmao. kinda difficult with no valid experience. would you accept my resume for an interview? gonna guess the answer is no. i've worked in cobol and pl/sql for the last 10 years, it's actually gotten to the point where i'm revisiting stuff i wrote 7 years ago but in a different context i don't actively have a resume, not from lack of trying though i'm not going to apply to vuejs/react developer jobs, but i'm also not freaking out about a decade spanning hole in my resume that would fall under the umbrella of "no valid experience"
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JawnV6 posted:i told a startup I could write bare metal C when my background was 4+ Intel proprietary languages and verilog there’s also comparatively nobody going into embedded dev anymore. it’s kinda depressing actually but anyway my point here is that if you want to switch, switch into something where demand far outstrips supply.
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raminasi posted:in six weeks i am going to start a job writing go to run in kubernetes on gcp, despite having literally zero experience with any of those things. i didn't even lie and say i did to get hired. someone's probably going to quote that tech stack and say "condolences" or something but whether they're ultimately right or wrong, their opinion now is far less valuable than me giving it a shot and seeing what happens so i know for myself. i did this same thing, except i was moderately familiar with go, despite never using it in a job Plorkyeran posted:people talk about how easy it is to read go but my experience with it has consistently been that that's only true if you're talking about it on the level of how easy it is to understand an individual line of code. it's very reminiscent of bad enterprise java except somehow even more verbose meh. when there's a bunch of indirection ("what's on the other side of this channel?") or struct tag reflection magic it can be pretty opaque but like... large volume of code which is, at a line-by-line level easy to understand? that's not too bad imo hot take: people are bad at reading code. imo having to live in a moderately complex codebase and do a lot of navigation through "find symbol", "find usages", and generally stuff that leans on a language server or IDE to enumerate or navigate "X uses Y" was EXTREMELY HELPFUL to my development as a code fuckler. "jump to symbol" is literally necessary to do even the most superficial analysis of "who put a value in here?" / "what happens in this function / subroutine?". "jump to usages" is literally necessary to figure out "if i make a change here, when would that changed code run?" edit: was I a big whiny baby when I got dropped into a huge codebase with almost 0 support from coworkers to figure it out? yes. did I start using IDE navigation to figure it out anyway? yes. did IDE navigation eventually make me more effective at getting around the codebase than people who had been working on it for years longer than me? yes.
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go is pretty easy to comprehend imo. the stuff that’s annoying/hard to figure out (reflection, channels, rpc stuff) is honestly annoying in any language but the verbosity of go usually makes it fairly easy to understand what any given function is actually doing and it’s control flow.
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job interview on Monday
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Captain Foo posted:job interview on Monday
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Captain Foo posted:job interview on Monday yotj to you
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