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Pie Colony posted:you would have 200 more seconds for the good (doesn’t have to be hard) question is my point. the only way asking fizzbuzz is more efficient is if you walk out your candidates immediately after failing fizzbuzz, which i wouldn’t recommend for basic decency reasons I absolutely will do this. There is no sense wasting everyones time and it gives the interviewee a strong signal where they hosed up and how they hosed up without having to explicitly provide that feedback which my company policy prevents me from doing. In addition doesnt give them any false hope about maybe this job will come through. It may seem ~indecent~ to you or whatever but it is the kindest thing I can do in the position i am in.
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PokeJoe posted:it would make software a lot better and we would get paid more, on the other hand I don't like jumping through hoops 🤔 me neither and yet thats basically all i do all day any more so why not one more
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Feb 9, 2023 23:54
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should note you claimed the broken quad
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Feb 9, 2023 23:55
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bob dobbs is dead posted:should note you claimed the broken quad i always feel like a quad that crosses page boundaries isnt worth claiming, thats just my personal biases though
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Feb 9, 2023 23:56
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rotor posted:me neither and yet thats basically all i do all day any more so why not one more yeah thats all computering is really
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Feb 10, 2023 00:01
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i still wrapped it up and just rejected with hard prejudice in the meeting afterwards the time i got called a chink by my interviewee so lol lol what
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Feb 10, 2023 00:05
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yeah, right? my go to nutso interviewee story told it in this thread twice
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Feb 10, 2023 00:07
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i still wrapped it up and just rejected with hard prejudice in the meeting afterwards the time i got called a chink by my interviewee so lol my biggest interviewing regret is not immediately ending an interview when a candidate made a racist comment
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Feb 10, 2023 00:16
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah, right? my go to nutso interviewee story i have two interview stories which i will reproduce here for your amusement: 1) so this guy comes in and we do the usual interview things. He's pretty senior, but not some super bigshot. We start on the whiteboardy stuff and he's ok but doesnt really like to talk about stuff, even after we prompt him that what we're really looking for is someone who can communicate well about what they're doing because it was an XP shop and it was pair programming all the time - a fact he knew about when he accepted the interview btw. Anyway, so he's pretty much just a "accept problem, think, produce answer" guy and me and the other dude interviewing him are just kinda sitting there watching him doodle on the whiteboard and he stops, sighs, kinda loosens his shoulders and says "I dont have to do this" and grabs his bags and walks out without another word. 2) not really an interview question per se but a dude came in that had "educational software for african grey parrots" on his resume - he was apparently part of some research project - but everyone wanted to ask questions about writing bird software. People out in the cubes were like "the birdware guy is here!! the birdware guy is here!!"
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Feb 10, 2023 00:29
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how was the birdware
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Feb 10, 2023 00:31
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need birdware deets
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Feb 10, 2023 00:31
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bob dobbs is dead posted:need birdware deets
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rotor posted:1) so this guy comes in and we do the usual interview things. He's pretty senior, but not some super bigshot. We start on the whiteboardy stuff and he's ok but doesnt really like to talk about stuff, even after we prompt him that what we're really looking for is someone who can communicate well about what they're doing because it was an XP shop and it was pair programming all the time - a fact he knew about when he accepted the interview btw. Anyway, so he's pretty much just a "accept problem, think, produce answer" guy and me and the other dude interviewing him are just kinda sitting there watching him doodle on the whiteboard and he stops, sighs, kinda loosens his shoulders and says "I dont have to do this" and grabs his bags and walks out without another word. this is the only acceptable way to handle things when you find yourself interviewing at an xp shop. the only thing he could have done better was not showing up to begin with. gently caress that pivotal nonsense
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rotor posted:1) so this guy comes in and we do the usual interview things. He's pretty senior, but not some super bigshot. We start on the whiteboardy stuff and he's ok but doesnt really like to talk about stuff, even after we prompt him that what we're really looking for is someone who can communicate well about what they're doing because it was an XP shop and it was pair programming all the time - a fact he knew about when he accepted the interview btw. Anyway, so he's pretty much just a "accept problem, think, produce answer" guy and me and the other dude interviewing him are just kinda sitting there watching him doodle on the whiteboard and he stops, sighs, kinda loosens his shoulders and says "I dont have to do this" and grabs his bags and walks out without another word. respect imo
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Feb 10, 2023 00:35
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bob dobbs is dead posted:need birdware deets it was in Qt on one of those touchscreens that rely on a grid of IR beams. It was a lot of kinda vocabulary building stuff with pictures, like someone reading a primer to a preverbal kid. There were quizzes with like "pick the apple from this grid of four images" type of questions. apparently the hard part is that the bird would lose engagement really easy, especially after kind of halfassedly answering a question and having it not register, and there was some attempt at voice recognition as well but this was back in like 2005 or so and voice recognition wasn't very good.
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post hole digger posted:respect imo yeah all power to that guy but it was just surprising
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Feb 10, 2023 00:44
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nudgenudgetilt posted:this is the only acceptable way to handle things when you find yourself interviewing at an xp shop. the only thing he could have done better was not showing up to begin with. eh i have some complex feelings about it but i would probably not want to do it full time, its very exhausting.
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Feb 10, 2023 00:45
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my bad interviewing stories are just the standard 'absolutely could not stop gaping at my collegues breasts' type of thing.
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Feb 10, 2023 01:01
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Not a Children posted:
its a quality learning project imo, you got yer data structures, you got yer input sanitizing, ya got yer algorithms, you got a buncha good stuff
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Feb 10, 2023 01:14
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were they good breasts?
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ive had people do all this things, from googling answers on a phone interview and reading me the first result to asking me what a String was for a Java job. there are indeed a lot of charlatans in tech and I'm a self taught moron so I don't even think I'm that good, but gently caress me some truly awful candidates have ended up in front of me in person somehow and it makes me so mad to remember every time I've been ghosted for interviews to have it probably be taken up by some moron like that
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lol i forgot about my recent round of interviews 1) the person who both spelled and pronounced it as 'interger' 2) the person who was in fact struggling with fizzbuzz who dropped off the call, then 5 minutes later logged back in saying their internet died and then proceeded to do the fizzbuzz flawlessly without any further input. 3) the person who was clearly being coached by someone behind the camera rotor fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Feb 10, 2023 |
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Feb 10, 2023 01:26
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rotor posted:3) the person who was clearly being coached by someone behind the camera it's amazing how frequently these are popping up now
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rotor posted:and it was pair programming all the time  That sounds horrible.
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Quackles posted:
idk it had its upsides. It was really intensely social which is good for some kinds of people, lots of the engineers ended up as very good friends. But of course that has downsides as well. Mostly it was just really exhausting.
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rotor posted:1) the person who both spelled and pronounced it as 'interger' frequently a 9 or 11 keystroke word for me 
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i was on a team that had a new cto come in and decide that the entire engineering department needed an overhaul, so he shipped everyone to the local pivotal office where they would be taught to adopt the pivotal way of xp. minor snags: i was the only remote member of the team, and while iaac and devopsy poo poo was on my plate and lends okay to pair work, a huge chunk of it was doing manual account creation/onboarding/offboarding of user accounts on services we were too cheap to pay for sso integration on. this work really was kinda pointless to pair on, but i spent *months* with a pivot watching over my shoulder on google hangouts as i did this.
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oh, and i once had a pair budgeting session with a pivot. jesus, wtf.
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nudgenudgetilt posted:
lmao this sounds loving awful but i feel like this is more of a "pivotal wants to get paid" problem and less of a "xp sucks" problem
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it'd be pretty dope to be the person "pairing" on that that just hangs out and messes with hobby stuff and makes baño though
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[homer voice] can you, uh, work faster?
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makes bank. great job ios
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papa I have to make baño
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so back to interviewing, i love talking to all these massive corp folks who were recently laid off. i ask how they feel about working for a small company, and they start talking about when they joined a company with "only" 500 engineers, glossing over the fact they're talking to a company with a total head count closer to 10 currently.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i still wrapped it up and just rejected with hard prejudice in the meeting afterwards the time i got called a chink by my interviewee so lol if you don’t mind talking about this i’d like to know more. did they just blurt it out casually in a sentence while trying to be friendly? did it have venom behind it? did they realize they’d hosed up at any point afterwards?
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I've probably posted about it in this thread before but at one of the first dev jobs I had the owner and I finished interviewing a woman who was obviously the most qualified candidate, she left the office and before I could explain how she was stand out technically he turned to me and said "well we can't hire her, she had a child last year, she'll want another soon."
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bob has posted that story before and i'm convinced it was my ex coworker brendan. he texted me at the start of covid "how bout this wuhan flu" and i texted back "i hear they're calling it the boomer remover" and he never texted me back. like i honestly believe this is him.
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:I've probably posted about it in this thread before but at one of the first dev jobs I had the owner and I finished interviewing a woman who was obviously the most qualified candidate, she left the office and before I could explain how she was stand out technically he turned to me and said "well we can't hire her, she had a child last year, she'll want another soon." I had several interviewers probe about my home life during interviews during my last go-round and it bugs the hell out of me. I don’t have any special situation but it sure as hell felt like they were trying to feel out whether my home life competes with my professional life. I eventually started just stonewalling at “I live with my partner” when it came to that line of banter-but-really-trying-to-figure-out-if-you’ll-work-overtime if anyone asks about your home life, lie or obfuscate.
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i had a coworker years ago who would ask if i wanted to order "chink food" for lunch on a regular basis meaning chinese food from a local place that was honestly p good but goddamn dude
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