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i've given two scathing exit interviews, both to the same organization about a decade apart toucher gigs at a research center that i hold in high regard managed to burn me, but like a fool i went back a decade later thinking a different team might be a better experience.
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for the love of all that is good, be upfront and honest about your loving visa status during the interview process we just had to pull an offer from a candidate because they waited until the end of the interview process to ask us to sponsor their now expired visa
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Mar 22, 2023 16:57
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I've never left a job without moving to a new state and industry, so being honest in exit interviews has never really come around to bite me. Wouldn't recommend that as a life plan, though.
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Mar 22, 2023 17:01
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nudgenudgetilt posted:for the love of all that is good, be upfront and honest about your loving visa status during the interview process would it have helped them to be upfront? because it sounds like a good gamble that you'll feel committed enough
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Mar 22, 2023 17:03
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nudgenudgetilt posted:for the love of all that is good, be upfront and honest about your loving visa status during the interview process If i was desperate, I would do the same thing - try to make the hiring manager want me badly enough to break a process and sponsor.
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Mar 22, 2023 17:05
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ultrafilter posted:I've never left a job without moving to a new state and industry, so being honest in exit interviews has never really come around to bite me. Wouldn't recommend that as a life plan, though. Same
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:would it have helped them to be upfront? because it sounds like a good gamble that you'll feel committed enough rotor posted:If i was desperate, I would do the same thing - try to make the hiring manager want me badly enough to break a process and sponsor. we're down to sponsor, and if they'd been up front about it we could have fast tracked them and tried to get in before their deadline. as i understand it now, they're not even supposed to still be in the country. edit: i'll also say it turned out they weren't 100% forthcoming about their current employment situation -- they'd implied they were still at their current role, when in reality they'd already separated from that role and the visa clock was running for them. outhole surfer fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Mar 22, 2023 17:18
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nudgenudgetilt posted:we're down to sponsor, and if they'd been up front about it we could have fast tracked them and tried to get in before their deadline. as i understand it now, they're not even supposed to still be in the country. ok, cool, a shame then. i was *very* prepared to paint you as the rear end in a top hat here, but happy to learn im wrong
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Mar 22, 2023 17:23
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An anecdote I forgot is I do know of a director getting poo poo canned as a direct result of something someone said during an exit interview. It was in context of something they said about someone else and it kicked off an HR investigation that led to their termination.
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i've seen two hires fall through due to people going "oh btw i need a visa sponsorship" at the last minute. one we would have been perfectly happy to sponsor but they just didn't tell us that they had a deadline until after the deadline passed. the other very explicitly lied about their visa status and thought we wouldn't notice or care or something.
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Mar 22, 2023 21:37
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Well, there’s a good case to not hire otherwise qualified people who withhold or lie about important legal issues. Edit: unless you’re hiring executive level that is SeXTcube fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Mar 22, 2023 21:56
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i feel like if someone is in a situation where they are about to lose the right to stay in the country due to not having a job, you should not expect them to act rationally or be forthcoming at all. they are just attempting to not have their life hosed over by some immigration bullshit. so what, they chose the wrong game theory move in this situation, but if they are a qualified candidate you should focus on that part
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Mar 22, 2023 23:05
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i would agree but thats like the one part of labor law the us federal government actually cares about unfortunately
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it might be a good idea to make your visa sponsoring program more clear when you ask, so that candidates feel more comfortable revealing their status.
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just to back this up, i have been in a situation where i would lose my visa if i did not get a new position in 90 days after leaving the last job, and considering that the average job search in that country was something like 6 months (and they are really strict about papers being in order!), then changing jobs is an insanely stressful situation to be if you don't want to get in immigration trouble. goes without mention that this trouble will somehow be more serious if you happen to have a darker skin color!
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Mar 22, 2023 23:13
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oh i'm not unsympathetic, it's something my wife has had to deal with. legally both the employer and employee can get hosed hard though so i understand a hard pass on that
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I'm sympathetic that dealing with the (assumed) US immigration system is a stressful nightmare. It's been a years long headache for my family and we're dealing with it on easy mode. Not hypothetically but in the actual situations shared here the candidate could have had the job and been sponsored before their eligibility ran out but they fumbled for no reason. They are adults and should understand their responsibilities and not expect the employer to cheekily violate immigration law for them. This wasn't a split-second decision anyone had to make under duress and they presumably had ample time to correct it even if they didn't mention it first thing. It sucks if you have to leave the country if you didn't want to, but outside of being clear on your own willingness to sponsor how can you help people that act like described?
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afaik it's basically an automatic felony once you leave, and even assuming that doesn't cause you trouble you can't come back for 10 years anyway. i'm not really sure what they expect people to do in that scenario
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thinking of loving off for a year to a private "game dev" school since its a walking distance from my appartement and i need to break from this rut
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matti posted:thinking of loving off for a year to a private "game dev" school since its a walking distance from my appartement and i need to break from this rut uhhhhh ... don't
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matti posted:thinking of loving off for a year to a private "game dev" school since its a walking distance from my appartement and i need to break from this rut stop thinking about that
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Mar 23, 2023 02:15
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do indie game dev of you want, but game dev "schools" are universally either garbage or a scam
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matti posted:thinking of loving off for a year to a private "game dev" school since its a walking distance from my appartement and i need to break from this rut https://github.com/nicklockwood/RetroRampage do that
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hmm yeah maybe i should study art instead if im going to waste money
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if you can program you can do game dev. there's really nothing all that special about it that it requires a different "school" or whatever
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matti posted:hmm yeah maybe i should study art instead if im going to waste money if you just want to waste money buy a nice boat
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same deal for art school if you wanna learn how to do partial differential equations so you can be that one dude who did the fire physics for far cry 3 or whatever you prolly gotta go to school, otherwise for anything that doesnt end up w you going to one of the big game shops and living a terrible awful miserable life, eh
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it depends on what you want to do at art school
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Making connections is the only thing you should be doing at any real school. If you just wanna be a better artist there's YouTube and community college
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You should learn how to do glassblowing that looks pretty fun.
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This applies to nearly any subject there is outside of working directly under some very specific researcher or something. Knowledge is free flowing these days but meeting the right people to know is the same as ever.
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tk posted:You should learn how to do glassblowing that looks pretty fun. One of my biggest regrets of my undergrad career is that I didn't try to wedge myself into the chemistry glassblowing studio. I used some weird rear end glassware and it's all custom made and there was an on site studio to do repairs and fabrications and it's extremely specialized and very cool
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like if its just a couple of courses at a community college or whatever? sure, you'll probably enjoy it and chances are you'll learn something undergrad art school is actually difficult. a lot of people think it will be easy and wash out because of this. it's not just drawing, taking pictures, making movies, sculpting, whatever — you have to learn history, styles, artists, critiques, do presentations and galleries, etc. it's a huge pain in the rear end, very expensive and i can't recommend it on a lark graduate stuff is basically more of the same, just... well, more of it
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yeah the art students i knew in undergrad spent way more time busting their asses than i ever did for either my CS coursework or my humanities stuff. the art students also did more work than any of the engineering majors i knew
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the worst major in regards to time of anyone i ever encountered by far was architecture
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Achmed Jones posted:yeah the art students i knew in undergrad spent way more time busting their asses than i ever did for either my CS coursework or my humanities stuff. the art students also did more work than any of the engineering majors i knew it is seriously a literally unbelievable amount of work, STEM majors have no idea lol
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younger matti had a dreams of becoming a traditional painter thank god i touch computer now instead
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PokeJoe posted:the worst major in regards to time of anyone i ever encountered by far was architecture No loving joke here.
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it is remarkably, viciously uncorrelated w job prospects, which is the depressing bit
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I spent far too much time doing things as a chemist compared to most of my different major buddies, and I was an enormous slacker who got put on academic probation for bad grades. I still didn't envy the architects, I'd walk by their studio every day for my 8am classes and it was always already packed with people who look like they've been working for hours. No loving thanks I've got noxius fumes to huff
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