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Thanks, this is all really quite helpful! Appreciate it.
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jemand posted:Thanks, this is all really quite helpful! Appreciate it. do not underestimate the degree of shameless bias that can work itself into these processes
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RokosCockatrice posted:you can't quote somebody in the edit grace period, thats so rude please accept my heartfelt apologies
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Who am I kidding, I'm just happy to be quoted. Today I'm getting stood up by a potential candidate. I can see that I didn't explicitly offer a job making the meeting less attractive, but still getting stood up by an expert is very much been the mood lately.
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i usually give "bad communication" feedback to the recruiter when i can't get a candidate to reply to the question i'm asking. it amazes me how often candidates will try to generically answer my "tell me about a time" questions. the response to "tell me about a time you shipped a bug to prod" is inevitably "well, if this ever happened, i'd roll back, then add a test to catch the bug in the future". ok, great rear end in a top hat, now tell me about a time you actually did that, and let's talk about specifics. *crickets*
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I feel like in that scenario they are very clearly communicating they are full of poo poo
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4lokos basilisk posted:epiphenomenon is stored in the balls thats the epididymis
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Yeah honestly I give "candidate wasn't able to go into specifics on a lot of questions" as feedback a lot.
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god, i’m terrible at remembering specific instances of these kinds of things. i feel like i get some bizarre form of amnesia immediately after resolving whatever it is, and the interview pressure to think of a time, any time before you look like a bullshitting moron, definitely never helps...
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Jun 28, 2023 02:41
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if you actually care about that particular interview, it's worth going over all that stuff beforehand (when there's zero pressure) so you can pick out the best example to use in the actual interview. everyone else does it, and it's way better roi than grinding out yet another leetcode practice question
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AnoHito posted:god, i’m terrible at remembering specific instances of these kinds of things. i feel like i get some bizarre form of amnesia immediately after resolving whatever it is, and the interview pressure to think of a time, any time before you look like a bullshitting moron, definitely never helps... i’m like this too and that’s why i gotta prepare and rehearse stories for likely questions. (not lying or anything, just bringing particular incidents more forward in memory before you start the interview.)
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Jabor posted:if you actually care about that particular interview, it's worth going over all that stuff beforehand (when there's zero pressure) so you can pick out the best example to use in the actual interview. people got really offended when amazon recruiters recommended that they practice in this way beforehand. it was pretty funny
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Jabor posted:if you actually care about that particular interview, it's worth going over all that stuff beforehand (when there's zero pressure) so you can pick out the best example to use in the actual interview. you do need to do both, or at least not be rusty at both even still, sometimes your brain just doesn’t work on the day of the interview
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wait, your brain works on other non-interview days? dang i'm jealous
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it’s a relative thing
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that said once you get hired at a “real” tech company make sure your meds are a double digit percentage of your TC anyone reading this is on SA in tyool 2023, don’t lie to yourself and say you don’t need any
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Pollyanna posted:keep in mind that a company can reject you for any reason they want as long as they have an excuse to hide behind yeah I'd say 50% - at best - of the rejection feedback I got this year made any sense at all, let alone being constructive mostly you just have to accept someone didn't think you were right for the position and you're never going to find out why, easier said than done but that's how it goes
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gotta do your own experiments. still can replicate the enduring social science result that faking a whitey-rear end name gets better results than my ostentatiously foreign real name for example. not that im lookin but lol
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I've only interviewed one woman candidate ever (out of like...10ish?), and I said we should hire her
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i think she was the only woman's resume my team even got from HR 🤔
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theres a lot of tech sexism but also in my extremel ylimited experience of like 2 jobs, there are jack poo poo for woman applicants too. annoying man voice: ladies click that apply button im tired of all these annoying men at all my jobs
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ive worked with a dude like twice
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echinopsis posted:dude like thats not a nice way to describe women
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PokeJoe posted:ladies click that apply button I do wonder about the increased "AI" filtering in so many hiring pipelines that's adding a filter even before HR. Fraction of lady apply clicks that actually get through to the hiring manager somehow vs fraction dude clicks that do when we're basically standing up "ml correlation on past dataset" tools without real insight on how it's making the calls. "Sorry, opaque algo just scored you low, who knows why. Stop talking about how these models launder bias without extreme lengths taken to not do that; surely our DS team who we asked to build this MVP scoring system we're now aggressively selling before our VC runway runs out are exceptional enough to have solved these longstanding documented challenges in the sprint or two we allocated to product dev before reassigning them back to optimizing our sales and marketing strats."
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never seen this for toucher jobs in figgieland prime. there, peeps dont get enough applicants to do that poo poo, or at least they didnt before this current glut
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Don’t get enough applicants in figgieland beta either. Recruiters get really excited when a candidate kinda sorta fits the mold and you might wait months to interview a single person who didn’t even apply and you have to throw a ton of money at to get them to think about switching companies
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i mean, its a scourge for 40k p/a generic office jobs in random places, i'm told, but the market cannot bear it for toucher jobs in figgieland prime
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Anybody that you would actually want to hire probably doesn’t need to apply for jobs.
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most bigger UK tech places I know want as many lady applicants as they can get, there will not be any filters like that. the place I work for even has a special equal-opportunity scheme for women though we're not that bad in our dev group, something like 1 to 5 f/m ratio which is better than most places I've seen Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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not dead yet posted:thats not a nice way to describe women (morning after voice) "god drat it, my shield's gone!"
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echinopsis posted:thats the epididymis i beg your pardon, i did not miss with my pee
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jemand posted:I'm interviewing a candidate this week who's been shuttling around our pipeline / kept warm for over a month. I love her resume and from what I've heard she's been put through an extremely rigorous tech test and passed so far. But she's got a big gap on her resume for dropping out for a family health thing and there was some nebulous question raised about her communication ability. Finished this interview. What was the issue? rotor posted:"she's great, you guys are nuts." rotor posted:In my experience it usually means their accent was too thick but ymmv So we get down to the other potential explanations: Pollyanna posted:it’s sexism op raminasi posted:do not underestimate the degree of shameless bias that can work itself into these processes In any case, I sent a glowing (and very specific and evidence backed) set of comments to the hiring manager, who seemed glad to have an excuse to push forward on this hire. Hope she joins us!
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:yeah I'd say 50% - at best - of the rejection feedback I got this year made any sense at all, let alone being constructive surprised you got any feedback. i just interviewed somewhere and they gave me a generic "we'll be in contact with you soon". they are showing no signs of doing that. oh, i forgot to mention i applied to this same place a few years ago when i at least made it to their 6 hour take home test. submitted it and got ghosted. it's me, i'm the rube.
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nudgenudgetilt posted:
In the 2 years at my current place I haven't shipped a bug to the actual prod  (Staging had to bail me out twice though)
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Xarn posted:In the 2 years at my current place I haven't shipped a bug to the actual prod maybe no bugs you know about anyway
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“ive never shipped a bug to prod” means you dont ship or you dont test
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load bearing bugs in prod crew checking in
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I had a bug make it to prod where I wrote some logic in a terraform module to automatically determine which sku to use depending on the environment that was getting deployed. Made a typo and the sku for prod deployed to all environments for a total of an extra $6k per day for that app finops team caught it on the second day
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I mean, I haven't shipped a bug to prod (that is, since very very early in my career back when I was working on WordPress) in ages. I may have shipped code to the release branch, that made it to prod, that contained bugs. That's happened despite my and QA's best efforts.
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