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So this non profit I'm at is a cute anachronism of corporate stuff of yesteryear and weirdos that don't seem to be in corp jobs anymore. I'm told to act and feel like an employee even though I'm contract because they hire slow as gently caress not because they don't want me to stay around. Feels good man. The salary is meh (95k, in Denver) but bennies are generous: every other Friday off, 401k matching from the start, 401k contribution from the start, health, and a nice chill pace. My worry is complacency or being painted in a corner as someone who fixes or migrates old poo poo to new poo poo. What do I do besides open sores? Also I see potential to actually get some architecture experience, and speak directly to non technical types to negotiate work. Can I break into team lead or architect after a few years here?
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May 15, 2018 15:38
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My new role doesn't officially start into next week and I handled off my old responsibilities at the beginning of last week. I'm totally office spacing it up right now but drat does it feel weird after being run ragged for two years.
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May 15, 2018 15:39
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EVGA Longoria posted:how do y'all handle recruiting while interviewing? we're having some huge turnover, and i'm ready to move on. but i've got to back fill a few roles on my team from people who left, and i'm starting to feel guilty about hiring someone only to say peace out in a month. Just do it like you normally would (and keep the advice someone else recommended for being able to poach them in the future if their awesome). Be sure to have someone in the interviews with you who will be sticking around though so you know you're hiring someone they want to work with. I just went through something similar where I was moving to a new role internally but still had to hire for my existing team.
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May 15, 2018 15:45
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ok i am getting let go at the end of the year, what can i do right now? because everywhere i have talked to wants me to start next week e: i would just take an offer but my current job is dangling some diamond encrusted golden handcuffs in front of me to stay until the end of the year HoboMan fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 20:27
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HoboMan posted:ok i am getting let go at the end of the year, what can i do right now? because everywhere i have talked to wants me to start next week Why would you stick around to the end of the year if you know you won't have a job?
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May 15, 2018 20:36
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TerminalRaptor posted:Why would you stick around to the end of the year if you know you won't have a job? 85% of my current salary as a retention bonus to stay until then
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May 15, 2018 20:38
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HoboMan posted:85% of my current salary as a retention bonus to stay until then That sounds like a good reason. If it were me, I'd look at being unemployed into the new year living off the retention bonus until I find a job. Ie less of a bonus and more of a severance package.
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May 15, 2018 20:48
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use the handcuffs as leverage in negotiating your new salary
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May 15, 2018 20:58
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HoboMan posted:85% of my current salary as a retention bonus to stay until then interview and when it gets to salary negotiation ask for a signing bonus equivalent to your retention bonus
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May 15, 2018 21:13
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the talent deficit posted:interview and when it gets to salary negotiation ask for a signing bonus equivalent to your retention bonus that is the current plan but i was wondering if anyone had any better ideas
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May 15, 2018 21:49
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85% of a lot of our salaries would be six figures... is anyone really offering six figure sign on bonuses?
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May 15, 2018 22:21
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I ask because I think that would piss a lot of hiring managers off if you go through the interview process and then at the end spring "hey btw I need 100k to sign on". I guess you could bring it up earlier but I imagine that'll just short circuit the conversation. If it was me I'd probably slack for the rest of the year, get some certs on the side and brush up my resume, and then take a couple of months to find a new job early 2019.
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May 15, 2018 22:23
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Noone is going to give you six figures for a sign on lol.
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May 15, 2018 22:31
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About to have coffee with a hiring manager, they said they'd send me a take home after speaking to their head recruiter but instead I get a personal chat with the person IRL.
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May 15, 2018 22:55
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qhat posted:Noone is going to give you six figures for a sign on lol. i'm pretty sure facebook does this for interns that they decide to bring on
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May 15, 2018 23:05
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talked to a recruiter today who told me that "you know only like 1 out of every 100 people that apply here even get an interview also ill send you a little challenge thing to do as a first step that will probably take a few hours" and its a bunch of like fancy encryption stuff that is seriously making my eyes glaze over im still going to give it a try but poo poo i don't think im going to be beating the odds on this one
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May 15, 2018 23:05
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GenJoe posted:i'm pretty sure facebook does this for interns that they decide to bring on
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May 15, 2018 23:16
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i'm presuming that anywhere offering 85% of your salary in handcuffs isn't paying you six figures to start with also, it's not just cash consideration (although if you really need the money then probably stay), but you can leverage it for bonuses, pto, stock, whatever.
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May 15, 2018 23:32
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HoboMan posted:that is the current plan but i was wondering if anyone had any better ideas pretend you're planning to move back to the area in January when you talk to hiring managers? IDK I'd wait until December to even start looking in your position
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May 15, 2018 23:34
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uncurable mlady posted:i'm presuming that anywhere offering 85% of your salary in handcuffs isn't paying you six figures to start with maybe if theres stock involved
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May 15, 2018 23:44
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Had the chat, the company seems nice but their workflow seems a bit weird. They mentioned that their CI/CD releases to production multiple times a day and I don't know how I feel about that, although I've seen a few companies brag about this. Personally i think you get more points for not breaking stuff in production in the first place than rapid firing out features and bugfixes when things go wrong. But maybe their application is different idk. What concerned me was the "umm, yeah we need more of that" when I asked how many automated tests the software goes through before it hits production, and whether devs actively write unit tests. In fact, it seemed like I caught them a bit off guard with that question. HM. They also mentioned that the teams were perhaps a little too polyglot for a company <200 people in size. Overall it still sounds better than my place and the salary would be undoubtedly better, but with a lot of room for improvement.
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May 16, 2018 00:35
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qhat posted:Noone is going to give you six figures for a sign on lol. maybe not cash but lots will up your rsu grants to this kind of level
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May 16, 2018 00:58
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qhat posted:CI/CD releases to production multiple times a day... "umm, yeah we need more of that" when I asked how many automated tests the software goes through before it hits production Everything is on fire 100% of the time.
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May 16, 2018 01:18
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just lol if you’ve ever worked somewhere that has automated testing or CI
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May 16, 2018 01:40
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I should just go independent and go from company to company as a consultant and fixing their CI since this appears like it's going to be a recurring thing for companies in Vancouver.
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May 16, 2018 01:46
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Several big companies are doling out six figure signing bonuses for good candidates nowadays, Amazon is pretty famous for this and I'd imagine every company in SF has to do it now to get people to relocate. My buddy got 100k bonus + 75K to cover selling his house to move up to Seattle like two weeks ago for a mid level position so it's definitely still a thing.
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May 16, 2018 01:51
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qhat posted:I should just go independent and go from company to company as a consultant and fixing their CI since this appears like it's going to be a recurring thing for companies in Vancouver. What happened with applying for every Microsoft job?
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May 16, 2018 01:55
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qhat posted:I should just go independent and go from company to company as a consultant and fixing their CI since this appears like it's going to be a recurring thing for companies in Vancouver. If you think Vancouver's bad wait till you see [literally everywhere]
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May 16, 2018 01:55
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qhat posted:Had the chat, the company seems nice but their workflow seems a bit weird. They mentioned that their CI/CD releases to production multiple times a day and I don't know how I feel about that, i dunno man if you have a pretty extensive automated testing suite you'd be impressed with how often you can- quote:What concerned me was the "umm, yeah we need more of that" when I asked how many automated tests the software goes through before it hits production, and whether devs actively write unit tests. oh. lol
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May 16, 2018 02:02
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Munkeymon posted:IDK I'd wait until December to even start looking in your position december is a bad time to be looking. hiring generally shuts down from mid nov to mid jan
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May 16, 2018 02:10
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qhat posted:They're not a red flag, companies have other people lined up and they need to respond to them. That being said, 1 week is normal to let a candidate decide. Any less is certainly a red flag and just shows they're more interested in pressuring a candidate to accept what they know is probably a poor offer relative to the market than actually getting the best candidate for the job. Mao Zedong Thot posted:A week is extremely reasonable the talent deficit posted:they're not a red flag at all. most companies/teams only have headcount/budget for a single hire when they are making offers and having to wait weeks for someone to make a decision means putting a hold on hiring during that time. as long as the period is reasonable (4+ days) and you are flexible on negotiating the period expiring offers are totally normal and reasonable wait what? last this came up i thought people said that pressuring for an offer within a week was a red flag did i misremember?
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May 16, 2018 02:19
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Jimmy Carter posted:had a really fun talk with some people over in ops for an internal temporary gig, and they repeatedly said ‘yeah we are a new team and we need all the help we can get’ so I guess that bodes well for me update: I got accepted and found out a bit more about the scope I’ll be taking a break from my regular entry level computer janitoring to act as a PM for a multinational, large scale manufacturing project and was explicitly told ‘lol don’t bother trying to google this because what we’re doing has never been done before’ and they are not bullshitting about that. I’m super pumped but absolutely terrified because although I have touched this area before, nothing on this scale.
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May 16, 2018 03:24
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Pollyanna posted:wait what? last this came up i thought people said that pressuring for an offer within a week was a red flag Within a week, yes it's a red flag. Outside of a week, it's not a red flag. Like that's literally what we just said. You can't expect companies to give enough of a poo poo about one candidate to just let the other backups lose interest entirely.
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May 16, 2018 03:30
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i got a take home for a hella kickass job that i really want probably going to do that tomorrow (it's time limited from when you start it, not from when it's assigned), wish me luck. doin hackerranks tonight to warm up for it e: also got an onsite for the other company, but I would have to move for that one
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May 16, 2018 03:45
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Pollyanna posted:wait what? last this came up i thought people said that pressuring for an offer within a week was a red flag If someone is like 'you have 24 hours'  If 5 days later someone is like 'hey uhh can you get back to us soon' cmon now make up your goddamn mind
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May 16, 2018 05:17
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welp got destroyed on amazon's online coding assessment
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May 16, 2018 06:26
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qhat posted:welp got destroyed on amazon's online coding assessment
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May 16, 2018 06:28
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Peeny Cheez posted:What did they throw at you? nothing i shouldn't have been able unable to manage. i spent too much time on the first question trying to come up with an optimal solution when in actual fact they just wanted something which worked, had issues with bugs i was stuck on, then i started panicking and well i hosed up.
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May 16, 2018 06:32
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qhat posted:nothing i shouldn't have been able unable to manage. i spent too much time on the first question trying to come up with an optimal solution when in actual fact they just wanted something which worked, had issues with bugs i was stuck on, then i started panicking and well i hosed up. I did this on my epic coding test. I gave 4 increasingly better implementations of the first problem then had to rush through the other 3 with lazy pseudocode.
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May 16, 2018 06:43
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qhat posted:they just wanted something which worked
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