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man, this experience is way different from last time I did it, I dunno if it's all changed or just that I'm more senior now, but it's just a loving flood of interviews and tech screens left and right got a tech screen in a few minutes for one company, a recruiter call this afternoon for another, and a tech screen and an open house with the tech leadership for a 3rd tomorrow. and there's still 2 companies I haven't heard back from yet. I might have to be choosy about some of this poo poo
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Sapozhnik posted:there's an element of this but you overstate the hell out of your case as usual. two things can be true interaction with stakeholders is what justifies keeping jobs on-shore. that is table stakes to be an American with a job. ignore this factor at your peril all things being equal, specialization and domain knowledge will increase your value. Sapozhnik posted:also it's more like any chimp can write a program that mostly works under reasonable input, but people who can write something that doesn't disintegrate the moment somebody wants to change something and whose sole answer to any software maintenance problem isn't just "gently caress it, let's just rewrite this poo poo it sucks anyway" are still somewhat hard to come by. i am not convinced that writing robust software that is also resilient wrt new change requests is a solved problem
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thanks thread for being a sounding board and talking through these interviewing issues that clearly all of us run into in some form or another. most of my friends aren't in the tech world and i'm not exactly going to coworkers for advice about offers from other companies, so it helps a lot to see how other people have handled things and how they've worked out.
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May 16, 2018 12:39
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my last offer came with a 2-day expiry but their whole process had been fast and it was a solid offer so i didn't really sweat it. i'm not really sure it's  -worthy unless they're demanding you decide on the spot or won't budge if you ask for more time.
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May 16, 2018 14:41
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This is quite literally the best time in the history of the United States to be looking for a new job. If you have any inclination to do so start sending out resumes today.
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May 16, 2018 14:57
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jony neuemonic posted:my last offer came with a 2-day expiry but their whole process had been fast and it was a solid offer so i didn't really sweat it. i'm not really sure it's expiring offers are a sign they know they've made a lovely offer they don't want you to have time to consider it, much less a competing offer incoming
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May 16, 2018 15:07
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:expiring offers are a sign they know they've made a lovely offer i mean, i agree in principle. but i had a minimum amount to even consider the offer and they came in well above that (and the local market, from what i can see). maybe i'm just happy the paycut isn't as much as i expected 
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May 16, 2018 15:23
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My current company offers expire in 24 hours rofl. And yeah they don't pay competitive. I only took the job because I was unemployed, otherwise I would've told them emphatically no.
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May 16, 2018 15:45
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Pryor on Fire posted:This is quite literally the best time in the history of the United States to be looking for a new job. If you have any inclination to do so start sending out resumes today. yeah i dont know what the gently caress happened but all of a sudden ive been actually having to think about booking interviews and getting responses from people after weeks of nothing also what is there to do in palo alto besides sit in my hotel room and look at cat photos
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May 16, 2018 17:37
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Shaman Linavi posted:yeah i dont know what the gently caress happened but all of a sudden ive been actually having to think about booking interviews and getting responses from people after weeks of nothing http://www.computerhistory.org/
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May 16, 2018 17:43
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Shaman Linavi posted:also what is there to do in palo alto besides sit in my hotel room and look at cat photos
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May 16, 2018 17:43
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Shaman Linavi posted:also what is there to do in palo alto besides sit in my hotel room and look at cat photos
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May 16, 2018 17:59
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looks like the museums will be closed when i'm free so i guess its this, thanks
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May 16, 2018 18:12
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computer history museum fuckin rules you should make time to try and see it
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May 16, 2018 18:22
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Senior management is floating the idea again of redirecting developers to do QA because QA is backlogged lol. Can't wait to leave this shithole.
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May 16, 2018 18:48
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Shaman Linavi posted:also what is there to do in palo alto besides sit in my hotel room and look at cat photos not strictly palo alto but https://openspace.org/preserves if i were to pick one i'd say either russian ridge or windy hill
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May 16, 2018 19:08
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qhat posted:Senior management is floating the idea again of redirecting developers to do QA because QA is backlogged lol. Can't wait to leave this shithole. that'd at least give them some incentive to stop making life hard for QA
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Progressive JPEG posted:that'd at least give them some incentive to stop making life hard for QA What you need to understand about this company is the senior management have literally no clue how to manage a software firm and think things like checking binaries into git to manage dependencies and not forcing developers to write unit tests is an acceptable practice in software engineering in 2018, and cannot nay will not be convinced otherwise.
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May 16, 2018 19:26
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qhat posted:Senior management is floating the idea again of redirecting developers to do QA because QA is backlogged lol. Can't wait to leave this shithole. qhat posted:What you need to understand about this company is the senior management have literally no clue how to manage a software firm and think things like checking binaries into git to manage dependencies and not forcing developers to write unit tests is an acceptable practice in software engineering in 2018, and cannot nay will not be convinced otherwise.
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May 16, 2018 20:22
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ADINSX posted:computer history museum fuckin rules you should make time to try and see it i had a trip to boston a quite a ways back and was super stoked to go to the computer museum. but they had moved everything to the califonia museum and i still haven't stopped crying
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May 16, 2018 20:46
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Progressive JPEG posted:not strictly palo alto but 100% this, we used to go up to monte bello all the time before we got the dog
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ShadowHawk posted:Putting devs in QA sounds a bit like "forcing them to write tests" My team is relentless when writing unit tests, but not because management told us. It's the other teams that don't write tests that are the real issue, and as a result when we need something released we either get in line, or as suggested, QA the software you just wrote hundreds of tests for. So in fact, putting Devs into QA actively discourages unit testing because well you're just going to be doing the QA anyway so why bother. The whole point of QA is to have someone who isn't the actual developer and who actually understands the real world customer's behaviour testing the code. qhat fucked around with this message at 21:24 on May 16, 2018 |
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May 16, 2018 21:20
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qhat posted:My team is relentless when writing unit tests, but not because management told us. It's the other teams that don't write tests that are the real issue, and as a result when we need something released we either get in line, or as suggested, QA the software you just wrote hundreds of tests for. So in fact, putting Devs into QA actively discourages unit testing because well you're just going to be doing the QA anyway so why bother. idk how it works in software but in hardware qa and devs are the same job and same pay scale and move pretty seamlessly between the two on different projects depending on the need and how early it is in the design process. people move from rtl design (dev) roles to verification (qa) as the project matures and workload shifts from design to verification. maybe in software the development load never tapers off like that, idk. that makes everyone try to make life easy for everyone else, in my experience. i mostly do verification but i have done a lot of rtl development as well over the years. there are a couple strictly rtl people who dont do any oop stuff and a couple verification people who dont know how to write synthesizable rtl but specialization like that tends to hurt you rather than help you because mgmt feels like they cant use you as effectively through the whole project. EIDE Van Hagar fucked around with this message at 23:35 on May 16, 2018 |
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C.H.O.M.E. posted:idk how it works in software but in hardware qa and devs are the same job and same pay scale and move pretty seamlessly between the two on different projects depending on the need and how early it is in the design process. people move from rtl design (dev) roles to verification (qa) as the project matures and workload shifts from design to verification. maybe in software the development load never tapers off like that, idk. that makes everyone try to make life easy for everyone else, in my experience. i mostly do verification but i have done a lot of rtl development as well over the years. Software isn't like hardware, iterations are much faster and there's never ever a shortage of new work for devs to do. QA don't necessarily have to understand the nitty gritty of the code, but they do need to have an in depth understanding of exactly how the actual customer will be abusing the product, which is not something a dev may have enough exposure to understand. I'm fairly sure it's also not the same pay scale.
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qhat posted:My team is relentless when writing unit tests, but not because management told us. It's the other teams that don't write tests that are the real issue, and as a result when we need something released we either get in line, or as suggested, QA the software you just wrote hundreds of tests for. So in fact, putting Devs into QA actively discourages unit testing because well you're just going to be doing the QA anyway so why bother. The whole point of QA is to have someone who isn't the actual developer and who actually understands the real world customer's behaviour testing the code. do I have this right? # your team is being asked to do QA for a product that you only wrote some of the in-house parts for # the problems that you are encountering are caused by parts written by a different in-house team; this team does not write tests because if so it sounds like you can combine "getting your work done" with a satisfying level of passive-aggression if you start writing tests for this other team's code
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prisoner of waffles posted:do I have this right? This is basically the same as washing someone else's dirty dishes they've left out and expect them to feel guilty and stop being a lazy rear end in a top hat. The actual thing that happens is they don't give a poo poo and let you do their job for them because that's the easiest thing to do.
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qhat posted:Senior management is floating the idea again of redirecting developers to do QA because QA is backlogged lol. Can't wait to leave this shithole. Conversely, you find yourself with open QA engineer reqs and a backlogged QA- what's the appropriate course of action?
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TimWinter posted:Conversely, you find yourself with open QA engineer reqs and a backlogged QA- what's the appropriate course of action? Find better more efficient ways of doing and automating QA. We've been trying to push continuous integration for a long time and pretty everyone is on board except the person who actually matters, the software engineering director, who thinks it's just a luxury rather than an essential part of the process. He should also be smacking down teams who don't write unit tests and just submit straight to QA, but he doesn't. Instead, he thinks it's better to increase QA headcount than solve the root cause issues that cause the problems in the first place. This is purely a leadership problem.
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Shaman Linavi posted:
quotin to say this company wanted me to take the same test again, but this time i had to be on skype so they could make sure i wasn't cheating (???) of course i did it because i have less shame than the dudes posting dick pics in their aliexpress underwear reviews
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May 17, 2018 20:53
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That poo poo isn't worth it unless they're offering at least 6.75 figgies.
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Fiedler posted:That poo poo isn't worth it unless they're offering at least 6.75 figgies. this is one of those pieces of job hunting advice that only apply if you're not in urgent need of a paycheck
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May 17, 2018 21:43
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I'd only bother with that test if I was unemployed.
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PokeJoe posted:I'd only bother with that test if I was unemployed.
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May 17, 2018 23:08
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"Sorry, we forgot to realize you told us you're rusty on poo poo you haven't done in years, so bye" The gently caress
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Space Whale posted:"Sorry, we forgot to realize you told us you're rusty on poo poo you haven't done in years, so bye" Did they make a written offer that you signed and then reneged on that offer? I'd talk to a lawyer if that happened and you wanna do something about it.
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ADINSX posted:Did they make a written offer that you signed and then reneged on that offer? I'd talk to a lawyer if that happened and you wanna do something about it. Lol no
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May 17, 2018 23:18
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Unemployment won't come back in before I'm going to be evicted. Yay. Also cth lol
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Trifecta: The recruiter apologized for the hiring manager having unrealistic expectations while also lowballing. YA THINK?
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