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feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



Timby posted:

It's the storage thing, absolutely, plus the technology advances like seamless branching.

The greatest home video innovation of all time.

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Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast


Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Do the digital codes that come with most blu-rays actually expire or is that just a cover-your-rear end warning thing? Think I have a few of them stashed away somewhere but they all said they might be expired by like 2017 and I never bothered to check if they did.

Most all of mine are expired. I hold onto the slips in case there’s ever a lawsuit over the poo poo (price fixing or something due to the “value” of those useless codes?)

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

wa27 posted:

That reminds me, I need to get around to selling my US Space Ghost Vol 4+5 before they re-release a full set and the value plummets. Or maybe they never will. Are studios just afraid of putting SD content on blu-rays because it's confusing?

The only shows Adult Swim still does physical releases for are Rick and Morty and Venture brothers. Everything else is either out of print or was streaming only. I wouldn't hold out for blu-rays of Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

EL BROMANCE posted:

Yeah it’s a stupid requirement. Nothing wrong with ‘upscaling’ SD sourced footage to 1080 and not making it obvious in the packaging, though (I remember early Always Sunny discs reportedly looked identical to the dvd)

The early seasons of that were super low budget and the cast have said that there's no point in a blu-ray release for those.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Sniep posted:

Most all of mine are expired. I hold onto the slips in case there’s ever a lawsuit over the poo poo (price fixing or something due to the “value” of those useless codes?)

I never use my codes, but this is a good idea

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


CPL593H posted:

The only shows Adult Swim still does physical releases for are Rick and Morty and Venture brothers. Everything else is either out of print or was streaming only. I wouldn't hold out for blu-rays of Space Ghost Coast to Coast.


The early seasons of that were super low budget and the cast have said that there's no point in a blu-ray release for those.

I was quite pissed when the only version of Regular Show season 3 as DVD. Double pissed when I discovered the transfer was quite lovely as well

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



SGC2C's production was so scrappy that I can't imagine HD versions not looking like trash.

wa27
Jan 14, 2007



feedmyleg posted:

SGC2C's production was so scrappy that I can't imagine HD versions not looking like trash.

I was more thinking they could just throw the whole series on to two blu-ray discs at SD resolution, but I wasn't aware of the Blu-Ray standard requiring the content be rendered at HD resolutions. I imagine that will prevent Adult Swim from reissuing any of their back catalog physically again.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.





Sniep posted:

Most all of mine are expired. I hold onto the slips in case there’s ever a lawsuit over the poo poo (price fixing or something due to the “value” of those useless codes?)

Yeah it is kind of bullshit that they can advertise brand new copies of movies as "blu-ray + digital" if the digital portion is expired before you even buy it.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



CPL593H posted:

The early seasons of that were super low budget and the cast have said that there's no point in a blu-ray release for those.

Yeah I believe the first disc they tried to sell on BD was the Christmas special, making everyone think that they’d actually shot in HD for the first time. Naturally it got a * video score for being absolute garbage.

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2600/itsalwaysinsunnyphiladelphiachristmas.html

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?


Iron Crowned posted:

The current discussion in horror thread got me wondering about something. I noticed that the invention of the DVD seemed to herald an era of non-theatrical cuts of films. I know that my family had letterbox editions of several movies on VHS in the 90's, but I doubt there really was anything major that would have prevented the release of an "Unrated" VHS.

I wonder what it was about DVD that made this happen. It may have simply been that for some reason the executives that be thought that people would buy multiple different cuts of films, or maybe it was simply an incentive to switching to a DVD player.

I think it was just the right time and the right place.

1. Sales gimmick - see stuff that's TOO HOT FOR THEATERS. Even though for the most part, what was included wouldn't have pushed the movie into NC-17 material.
2. PG-13 - a lot of movies were edited to be PG-13, like Live Free or Die Hard. So the unrated version would let them produce something that would have been an R.
3. It costs money to get movies rated - so for the alternate versions, it wouldn't be worth it to get the film rated.
4. Run times - some of the movies were already pretty long. The Wedding Crashers and the 40-Year-Old Virgin were already running close to 2 hours, and so for the theatrical release, they had to submit a movie of a certain length. You know, Judd Apatow wasn't going to go Terry Gilliam and fight to get the full 40-Year-Old Virgin released into theaters.

But I think the biggest thing was the sales gimmick aspect. Remember, a lot of movies would be released to DVD 3 months after their theatrical debut or something short like that. So, if you saw Wedding Crashers in the theater, well, you want to buy it just for the Uncorked version!

For VHS tapes, there were definitely some, but it wasn't as prevalent. My guess as to why:

1. VHS was really the first time people could own movies at home. For a lot of people, that meant that this would be the first time you saw the movie as it was originally released, since for television it would be censored and cut, so you were already getting something unique.
2. The lead time between theatrical release and VHS release was more significant. It meant that the home video release would already be significant.
3. Extra cuts cost money to produce and master.

I wonder too if the recent PRMC stuff also scared movie studios from releasing unrated cuts. If Darling Nikki was enough to throw Congress into a tizzy, what would an unrated Porkys do? It felt like there was more of a willingness to challenge the MPAA towards the late 90s and early 2000s, since you saw a lot of ridiculousness. A great example was the King's Speech - which was rated R just because of language.

Regardless, I now live in a world where I know that the Unrated Cut of American Pie exists on Laserdisc: https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/20407/LD84436-WS/American-Pie

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008



Flicker Alley just put Pudovkin's Bolshevik Trilogy up for preorder:
https://www.flickeralley.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_S6DJ7pPc

Cemetry Gator posted:

I think it was just the right time and the right place.

1. Sales gimmick - see stuff that's TOO HOT FOR THEATERS. Even though for the most part, what was included wouldn't have pushed the movie into NC-17 material.
2. PG-13 - a lot of movies were edited to be PG-13, like Live Free or Die Hard. So the unrated version would let them produce something that would have been an R.
3. It costs money to get movies rated - so for the alternate versions, it wouldn't be worth it to get the film rated.
4. Run times - some of the movies were already pretty long. The Wedding Crashers and the 40-Year-Old Virgin were already running close to 2 hours, and so for the theatrical release, they had to submit a movie of a certain length. You know, Judd Apatow wasn't going to go Terry Gilliam and fight to get the full 40-Year-Old Virgin released into theaters.

But I think the biggest thing was the sales gimmick aspect. Remember, a lot of movies would be released to DVD 3 months after their theatrical debut or something short like that. So, if you saw Wedding Crashers in the theater, well, you want to buy it just for the Uncorked version!

For VHS tapes, there were definitely some, but it wasn't as prevalent. My guess as to why:

1. VHS was really the first time people could own movies at home. For a lot of people, that meant that this would be the first time you saw the movie as it was originally released, since for television it would be censored and cut, so you were already getting something unique.
2. The lead time between theatrical release and VHS release was more significant. It meant that the home video release would already be significant.
3. Extra cuts cost money to produce and master.

I wonder too if the recent PRMC stuff also scared movie studios from releasing unrated cuts. If Darling Nikki was enough to throw Congress into a tizzy, what would an unrated Porkys do? It felt like there was more of a willingness to challenge the MPAA towards the late 90s and early 2000s, since you saw a lot of ridiculousness. A great example was the King's Speech - which was rated R just because of language.

Regardless, I now live in a world where I know that the Unrated Cut of American Pie exists on Laserdisc: https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/20407/LD84436-WS/American-Pie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzbE0wpqeKc

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

The VHS version of Videodrome was billed as unrated. The only thing that was cut from the theatrical run was a shot of a dildo in the Japanese porn Max watches. The thing is, the MPAA had already passed the film with that shot as an R, it was just someone at Universal didn’t like that shot and ordered it cut.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzHKwhrN1Lg

(I love that this is actually the real reason they put this in the movie)

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001



A couple years ago I started redeeming my digital codes from blu-rays. I had about a hundred of them. about 50% were "expired" and of that, 90% still redeemed. Of the remaining handful, I went through customer support and did the "I just bought this recently and the code is expired? wtf???" and I wanna say only one refused to give me a working code. This may have changed since ultraviolet shut down but that's my experience.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



caligulamprey posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzHKwhrN1Lg

(I love that this is actually the real reason they put this in the movie)

I... I'm in love.

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

I'm going to kill myself tomorrow.

Iron Crowned posted:

I was quite pissed when the only version of Regular Show season 3 as DVD. Double pissed when I discovered the transfer was quite lovely as well

Not Cartoon Network or Adult Swim, but the completionist in me will always be pissed off that I have the first few seasons of Archer on Blu-ray and then they switched the home releases to DVD only.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Iron Crowned posted:

I was quite pissed when the only version of Regular Show season 3 as DVD. Double pissed when I discovered the transfer was quite lovely as well

And then they wonder why people aren't buying this poo poo and assuming no one is interested in physical media. Even thought the universial reaction to that DVD set was "Why is this so lovely and how come they didn't bother with the blu-ray?". The season 1/2 set was really good at least. It's like they just want people to pirate poo poo.

wa27 posted:

I was more thinking they could just throw the whole series on to two blu-ray discs at SD resolution, but I wasn't aware of the Blu-Ray standard requiring the content be rendered at HD resolutions. I imagine that will prevent Adult Swim from reissuing any of their back catalog physically again.

Even though they're out of print a lot of the old stuff can be obtained for very little I see Aqua Teen Hunger Force DVDs in a thrift store all the time.But even if you get them on ebay or Amazon market place or where ever most of that poo poo is ten bucks or less. Space Ghost seasons 4 and 5 are only expensive because they were sold only on the Adult Swim website and for a very short time so there just aren't a lot of them floating around.

RichterIX posted:

Not Cartoon Network or Adult Swim, but the completionist in me will always be pissed off that I have the first few seasons of Archer on Blu-ray and then they switched the home releases to DVD only.

Bob's Burgers was only ever released on DVD and after a while I think they just stopped bothering with that. Always Sunny had a similar problem with Archer where the later seasons that were actually made in HD became DVD only and then they stopped selling the DVDs in stores and it's one of those made on demand things. This one is especially baffling because the show is a mega hit with a huge fanbase.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

by Cyrano4747


Maxwell Lord posted:

The VHS version of Videodrome was billed as unrated. The only thing that was cut from the theatrical run was a shot of a dildo in the Japanese porn Max watches. The thing is, the MPAA had already passed the film with that shot as an R, it was just someone at Universal didn’t like that shot and ordered it cut.

:crossarms:

The R-rated Videodrome isn't exactly butchered or anything, but it's not just that shot, most of the gore scenes got trimmed too (especially the guy tumor-ing out at the end, which is way longer in the unrated)

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



The real ultimate cut of Videodrome would include the pans of that weird painting they included for the tv version, same as Dune.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



feedmyleg posted:

I... I'm in love.
Student Bodies is only funny to about five people and it's just me five times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srupvrTqRpY

I truly treasure my Blu-ray double feature of Student Bodies and the criminially underseen Jekyll and Hyde... Together Again.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


CPL593H posted:

Bob's Burgers was only ever released on DVD and after a while I think they just stopped bothering with that. Always Sunny had a similar problem with Archer where the later seasons that were actually made in HD became DVD only and then they stopped selling the DVDs in stores and it's one of those made on demand things. This one is especially baffling because the show is a mega hit with a huge fanbase.

That's Fox. There was a point in time when they decided that people didn't want to buy Blu Rays of their TV shows, so they just didn't. Later they decided no one wanted to buy DVDs either, so they just stopped.

I kinda hope that the Disney acquisition fixes some of this, but on the other hand I don't want to pay Disney prices

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Iron Crowned posted:

That's Fox. There was a point in time when they decided that people didn't want to buy Blu Rays of their TV shows, so they just didn't. Later they decided no one wanted to buy DVDs either, so they just stopped.

Did they "decide" that?

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

There were definitely "director's cuts" on VHS for a while, but they usually didn't get advertised as "unrated". Or even just 1 or 2 bonus scenes, like with some of the Star Trek movies. I can't verify for sure, but I think they usually slapped the same MPAA rating on the box. I wonder how many times that was technically not the actual rating for the content on the tape.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?


Sir Lemming posted:

There were definitely "director's cuts" on VHS for a while, but they usually didn't get advertised as "unrated". Or even just 1 or 2 bonus scenes, like with some of the Star Trek movies. I can't verify for sure, but I think they usually slapped the same MPAA rating on the box. I wonder how many times that was technically not the actual rating for the content on the tape.

It's tough to find information. I found the box for Natural Born Killers - and that was unrated, but the selling point on the box was that it was the Director's Cut, not that it was UNRATED.
https://www.ebay.com/p/3249248

https://www.filmratings.com/Search?filmTitle=Star+Trek&x=0&y=0

Here's a website with all their stuff. So, Star Trek II was resubmitted for rating. I know the VHS of Star Trek VI had 3 minutes of additional footage, but there's no information here about what was actually rated - the longer version, or the shorter version. I don't know what the rules were - so maybe the longer version of VI was what was rated, and then they cut a few minutes for theatrical release, but that didn't require a new rating? The back of the box doesn't say anything different. Whereas the Director's cut for Lethal Weapon 2 does mention that it contains footage different from the R-Rated version.

Casimir Radon
Aug 1, 2008




I didn't start noticing 'unrated versions' until the early 2000s when they were trying to boost mediocre comedies on DVD by tossing in some tits and a few more fucks.

Here's your reminder that the Terminator Salvation 'directors cut' only adds 40 seconds so you can see Moon Bloodgood's boobs. The director, Joseph McGinty Nichol because I'm not using his stupid nickname, had this to say at a press conference he held: "Who wants to see Moon's tits?" To make it all worse she had to stand there while he was doing this.

ChazTurbo
Oct 4, 2014


Super surprised at the recent announcement that possession 1981 is getting a 4k release. I'm hoping for a us release but I'll Def import that sucker if not

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



I always see Possession at the top end of lots of lists, so it should do pretty well.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Iron Crowned posted:

That's Fox. There was a point in time when they decided that people didn't want to buy Blu Rays of their TV shows, so they just didn't. Later they decided no one wanted to buy DVDs either, so they just stopped.

I kinda hope that the Disney acquisition fixes some of this, but on the other hand I don't want to pay Disney prices

I'd be shocked if they bothered at all. Has Disney even expressed any interest in anything Fox has the rights to other than spandex fightmans and the Simpsons? Both of those shows can still be found on Hulu.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.





ChazTurbo posted:

Super surprised at the recent announcement that possession 1981 is getting a 4k release. I'm hoping for a us release but I'll Def import that sucker if not

Oh hell yes, I've been wanting to pick that up for so long but the current one is like $50, will be open-palm slapping that into my cart if they do a US release.

At some point I should probably just invest in a region-free player, there are so many movies I want that I could get the UK release of at like 50-75% off for some reason.

ChazTurbo
Oct 4, 2014


Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Oh hell yes, I've been wanting to pick that up for so long but the current one is like $50, will be open-palm slapping that into my cart if they do a US release.

At some point I should probably just invest in a region-free player, there are so many movies I want that I could get the UK release of at like 50-75% off for some reason.

I ended up buying and ripping a europen copy. the 40-50 dollar US release is a tad too pricey for me. As much as I love the film. I do need to mod my PS3 to remove the region locks eventually.

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT


Is it a new transfer, or just a UHD release? I've been eyeing off the Second Sight Region B release for a while.

ChazTurbo
Oct 4, 2014


I, Butthole posted:

Is it a new transfer, or just a UHD release? I've been eyeing off the Second Sight Region B release for a while.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=26209 This is about all we know so far. I'll probably rebuy it. It's one of those films that'd benefit from HDR imo. If it's implemented well anyhow.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Unexpected swag in my Black Friday Severin order:




How am I supposed to put this on my shelf? :sassargh:

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



just another reason to move to binders

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


I found this inside The Peanut Butter Solution (on the back of the recipe card for the titular peanut butter solution):



I think I'm going to really like the Severin Kids label, no one else is putting out these traumatic childhood movies.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Iron Crowned posted:

I found this inside The Peanut Butter Solution (on the back of the recipe card for the titular peanut butter solution):



I think I'm going to really like the Severin Kids label, no one else is putting out these traumatic childhood movies.

Twilight Time had a blu-ray release of When the Wind Blows. But I've also noticed that a lot of their titles are slowly being released by other companies.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.





Huh, I hadn't looked in a while but region-free players have really come down a lot in price. Are those sub-$200 Sony 4k UHD models actually any good?

ChazTurbo
Oct 4, 2014


Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Huh, I hadn't looked in a while but region-free players have really come down a lot in price. Are those sub-$200 Sony 4k UHD models actually any good?

Some of the lgs and Sony models are older ones with issues reading multi layered discs iirc

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008



CPL593H posted:

Twilight Time had a blu-ray release of When the Wind Blows. But I've also noticed that a lot of their titles are slowly being released by other companies.

They got 3-year licenses on titles and nearly everything was a run of just 3000 copies (I think only Zardoz, Christine, and The Blob were exceptions with 5000). Also, the main one running it, Nick Redman, died last year. Seems like they're slowly selling off what they have.

I think most of the Indicator editions use the same (or better) transfers, plus bring over the commentaries and music-only tracks. There's also some from Kino and Shout. Criterion has only done two reprints so far - 1984 and Leave Her to Heaven (coming in March).

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Egbert Souse posted:

:words:

Have I ever told you how I love that you're out resident encyclopedia of all things home video?

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