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ultraviolence123
Jul 3, 2002


The worst thing is, I was too young to see any of the good Friday movies in the theaters, so the first one I saw theatrically was Jason Goes to Hell, back in 1993. Saw it opening day, and spent the weekend trying to convince myself that it was a good Friday the 13th movie. Same with Halloween. I remember getting caught trying to switch theaters to see Halloween 5, so part 6 was the first one I saw theatrically. It's better than Jason Goes to Hell, but it's a huge mess. I hated H20 (still do, although the last 20 minutes are pretty okay) when I saw that in theaters, so until Halloween 2018, I didn't have a good Halloween movie experience. Back in the late 80s / early 90s, it was really hard to switch movies to see the R rated stuff. You'd have to hope for a ticket taker that didn't care who they were selling the ticket to, one that believed that I was 17, or a theater that didn't notice when someone clearly in the 6th grade bought tickets to Field of Dreams and walked into Pet Semetary.

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


ultraviolence123 posted:

The worst thing is, I was too young to see any of the good Friday movies in the theaters, so the first one I saw theatrically was Jason Goes to Hell, back in 1993. Saw it opening day, and spent the weekend trying to convince myself that it was a good Friday the 13th movie. Same with Halloween. I remember getting caught trying to switch theaters to see Halloween 5, so part 6 was the first one I saw theatrically. It's better than Jason Goes to Hell, but it's a huge mess. I hated H20 (still do, although the last 20 minutes are pretty okay) when I saw that in theaters, so until Halloween 2018, I didn't have a good Halloween movie experience.

I didn't see any of them theatrically, but my first Halloween was 6, on PPV, boy that movie sucked.

ultraviolence123 posted:

Back in the late 80s / early 90s, it was really hard to switch movies to see the R rated stuff. You'd have to hope for a ticket taker that didn't care who they were selling the ticket to, one that believed that I was 17, or a theater that didn't notice when someone clearly in the 6th grade bought tickets to Field of Dreams and walked into Pet Semetary.

poo poo, my first job was working at a theater. It's probably different these days, but man we were all a bunch of 15 - 20 year olds, no one gave a flying gently caress but the managers, and we were ducking them as often as possible.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



I still find it weird that despite knowing who Jason was, despite going as Jason for one Halloween and being a huge horror fan in general since like age 10, the first Jason movie I saw was Jason X and I didn't see the rest of the F13 franchise until I was like 26. Jason X was fine when it was literally the only point of reference I had for the series, but after actually watching the rest it kind of sucks in hindsight. It's like a made-for-TV Sci-Fi Channel Original version of Friday the 13th, and no that doesn't make it "good" even ironically. But whatever, I'll try to rewatch it when my boxed set gets here in October.

I really hope they include Crystal Lake Memories in the box set, because it's good and they should.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

King Vidiot posted:

I still find it weird that despite knowing who Jason was, despite going as Jason for one Halloween and being a huge horror fan in general since like age 10, the first Jason movie I saw was Jason X and I didn't see the rest of the F13 franchise until I was like 26. Jason X was fine when it was literally the only point of reference I had for the series, but after actually watching the rest it kind of sucks in hindsight. It's like a made-for-TV Sci-Fi Channel Original version of Friday the 13th, and no that doesn't make it "good" even ironically. But whatever, I'll try to rewatch it when my boxed set gets here in October.

I really hope they include Crystal Lake Memories in the box set, because it's good and they should.

That's what a lot of people miss when they watch them for the first time though, we get a lot of that in the horror thread. Jason was a pop culture phenomenon, and you absolutely did not have to be a fan of the actual films to absorb it through osmosis. It's the classic "you had to be there" situation. You go to school, the kids are talking about the most recent Jason sequel. You go to your friends house and they're playing the Friday the 13th video game. My parents take me to a spooky hayride for Halloween and a guy is jumping out from the cornfield with the hockey mask on.

So Jason is one of those legendary monsters, he's an icon in a way that transcends the movies he appeared in. And you can't recreate that in 2020 just by watching the series.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



I don't know, I mean I thought 1-6 ranged from "decent" to "really good" when I saw them for the first time as an adult, like I could totally get the impact those movies would've had on 12 year old me blind-renting horror movies from the video store. I loved me some Freddy and Chucky, and Jason would've fit right in.

I just never got around to it until way later

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Basebf555 posted:

That's what a lot of people miss when they watch them for the first time though, we get a lot of that in the horror thread. Jason was a pop culture phenomenon, and you absolutely did not have to be a fan of the actual films to absorb it through osmosis. It's the classic "you had to be there" situation. You go to school, the kids are talking about the most recent Jason sequel. You go to your friends house and they're playing the Friday the 13th video game. My parents take me to a spooky hayride for Halloween and a guy is jumping out from the cornfield with the hockey mask on.

So Jason is one of those legendary monsters, he's an icon in a way that transcends the movies he appeared in. And you can't recreate that in 2020 just by watching the series.

I said it somewhere else, probably the horror thread, but as a kid in the 80's, Jason, Freddie, and Chuckie were basically our versions of the Universal Monsters. Flat out everyone knew who they were, whether you had seen any of the movies or not.

Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised that Micheal Meyers wasn't part of that lot.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Iron Crowned posted:

Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised that Micheal Meyers wasn't part of that lot.

For me he was, just because I was such a Halloween obsessed kid and Michael's movie was literally called Halloween. And they played them on cable every Halloween.

But I think the difference there between Michael and the others is that Carpenter kept such a tight grip on the series until 1988 when they did Halloween 4. So between 1981 and 1988 there were no new Michael appearances, meanwhile Jason and Freddy were at their peak.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


I said this in a long winded post in the old horror bracket thread, but the success of Jason was down to good marketing, not good movies. Sean Cunningham knew what he was doing.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Basebf555 posted:

For me he was, just because I was such a Halloween obsessed kid and Michael's movie was literally called Halloween. And they played them on cable every Halloween.

My parents were too cheap for cable, so I was stuck with whatever the local UHF stations were playing on Saturday afternoons in October.

Biff Rockgroin
Jun 17, 2005

Go to commercial!



I never got into Freddie, Jason, and Michael Meyers as a kid because our next door neighbors were massive hicks who also loved Puppet Master, so I assumed all that stuff was complete garbage.

About five years ago I decided to give all of it a chance. Turns out the first three Halloweens are great and the Friday the 13th series is pretty drat good over all.

Nightmare on Elm Street is a little lame if I'm being honest though. I think it's one of those series that's awesome when you're a kid.

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright






I was a zombie kid as a child and teenager more than a slasher advocate. I was into cool zombie stuff before it was cool to be into zombies.

I’m a cool dude.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Iron Crowned posted:

I didn't see any of them theatrically, but my first Halloween was 6, on PPV, boy that movie sucked.


poo poo, my first job was working at a theater. It's probably different these days, but man we were all a bunch of 15 - 20 year olds, no one gave a flying gently caress but the managers, and we were ducking them as often as possible.

I don't get why there's a big to do about R rated movies (in the multiplexes anyway). Especially now with the internet and streaming services being ubiquitous. Even before these things were in almost every home in America you could still walk into a store and buy an R-rated movie. It's a stupid arbitrary rule that apparently is meant to protect the children(!!!!!) from hearing Seth Rogan say "gently caress." I guess. Meanwhile these same kids are sitting at home watching the most horrible filth imaginable on their phones. My cousin's 15 year old kid used my mom's phone to look at the most vile furry porn I've ever seen. WITH HER IN THE CAR. So I don't know why we as a culture are still supposed to worry about horror movies or comedies with swear words being this corrupting influence. Plus kids can actually go see any R rated movie with a parent. So what's the point of all this? If a kid sees objectionable content in the movie but their dad is their he can't make the kid unsee it.

When I was in high school I went to see Sideways with a friend and the lady at the counter wouldn't sell me a ticket because I didn't have an ID. I was 18 and so was he but I didn't "look old enough". So we just said "gently caress it." and walked in without paying. Our minds were warped by that indie comedy about middle aged men and we've never been the same since. I still occasionally get carded at the local AMC by people that are a decade or more younger than me.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



dorium posted:

I was a zombie kid as a child and teenager more than a slasher advocate. I was into cool zombie stuff before it was cool to be into zombies.

I’m a cool dude.

Hell yeah! I think I rented the 2-tape extended cut of Dawn of the Dead on VHS like three or four times from the video store and it started my childhood obsession with zombies. It even had deleted scenes and trailers at the end, which was almost unheard of on VHS.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.


Biff Rockgroin posted:

Nightmare on Elm Street is a little lame if I'm being honest though. I think it's one of those series that's awesome when you're a kid.

1-4 are worth watching imo. I never saw a NoES film until a couple years ago and now they’re part of my regular October rotation. They’re not masterpieces by any means but they’re fun watches if you just go in looking for dumb humor and clever kills.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

1-4 are worth watching imo. I never saw a NoES film until a couple years ago and now they’re part of my regular October rotation. They’re not masterpieces by any means but they’re fun watches if you just go in looking for dumb humor and clever kills.

Nightmare on Elm Street 2 is a queer cinema classic that everyone should watch. It's also a pretty great subversion of the first movie. NOES was huge and people were pumped for a sequel and then they got this movie that had little to do with the previous entry and was gay as all hell. None of the rest of them hold up against that standard.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


CPL593H posted:

I don't get why there's a big to do about R rated movies (in the multiplexes anyway). Especially now with the internet and streaming services being ubiquitous. Even before these things were in almost every home in America you could still walk into a store and buy an R-rated movie. It's a stupid arbitrary rule that apparently is meant to protect the children(!!!!!) from hearing Seth Rogan say "gently caress." I guess. Meanwhile these same kids are sitting at home watching the most horrible filth imaginable on their phones. My cousin's 15 year old kid used my mom's phone to look at the most vile furry porn I've ever seen. WITH HER IN THE CAR. So I don't know why we as a culture are still supposed to worry about horror movies or comedies with swear words being this corrupting influence. Plus kids can actually go see any R rated movie with a parent. So what's the point of all this? If a kid sees objectionable content in the movie but their dad is their he can't make the kid unsee it.

When I was in high school I went to see Sideways with a friend and the lady at the counter wouldn't sell me a ticket because I didn't have an ID. I was 18 and so was he but I didn't "look old enough". So we just said "gently caress it." and walked in without paying. Our minds were warped by that indie comedy about middle aged men and we've never been the same since. I still occasionally get carded at the local AMC by people that are a decade or more younger than me.

Ronald Reagan.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


How is noes "a little lame"? What does that mean?

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Iron Crowned posted:

Ronald Reagan.

The answer to an overwhelming number of questions about the numerous things wrong with our country.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



The Elm Street series remains my favorite of the '80s franchises, as it was all just an excuse for big, silly effects sequences. They also seemed be the the ones that got the most play on cable in the late '80s/throughout the '90s.

I still remember the night Sci-Fi channel hit the air, they came out of the gates running by airing The Evil Dead for the first time on cable and having to switch back and forth to USA during commercials because they were playing Elm Street 3 at the same time.

Biff Rockgroin
Jun 17, 2005

Go to commercial!



Origami Dali posted:

How is noes "a little lame"? What does that mean?

Quippy killers are always really hit or miss for me.

I don't think NoES is bad or anything, it's just that I don't find Freddie that funny or scary, and he's the main draw usually.

But maybe there's something wrong with my brain though because I love Psycho Cop Returns.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Biff Rockgroin posted:

I love Psycho Cop Returns.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Biff Rockgroin posted:

Quippy killers are always really hit or miss for me.

I don't think NoES is bad or anything, it's just that I don't find Freddie that funny or scary, and he's the main draw usually.

But maybe there's something wrong with my brain though because I love Psycho Cop Returns.

He doesn’t do quips in the first one, which is pretty solid all around. He gets cartoony starting around Part 3, which is tied with the first one as the best, at least for me.

Biff Rockgroin
Jun 17, 2005

Go to commercial!



Maybe I need to re-watch the first one. For some reason I remember him being pretty jokey.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


Yeah, Freddy doesn't turn into fun pop culture icon Freddy until part 3. It's like how Jason isn't really the Jason everyone knows until part 3.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Part 3, which is tied with the first one as the best, at least for me.

Booooooo!

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



CPL593H posted:

Booooooo!

Part Two is a great movie, but it’s not a great Nightmare on Elm Street movie.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Biff Rockgroin posted:

Maybe I need to re-watch the first one. For some reason I remember him being pretty jokey.

He still has an attitude and a personality but it's not the same as two movies later when he's saying Welcome to Primetime Bitch!

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Part Two is a great movie, but it’s not a great Nightmare on Elm Street movie.

Truth be told I don't really like the series all that much and Freddy's Revenge is the only one I've seen more than once (except for the first movie) and would ever watch again. I think not having seen the first movie in the context of it before all the sequels spoils it because all I can think of is the jokey bullshit. They have some great practical visual effects and some of those even border on surrealism but I can't be bothered to sit through an entire one of those movies. I didn't want to say this before because I didn't want to piss on the parade but I just generally don't care much for 80s horror franchises and I don't like slashers as much as I did when I was a teenager. They can be fun, especially the incredibly creative ways people are dispatched but over the years I just got burned out on them. I get why some people are into it but at this point in my life I'm more into supernatural poo poo like the Sentinel or stuff like Larry Cohen movies or Ready or Not. Basically the weirder or wackier stuff.

Basebf555 posted:

He still has an attitude and a personality but it's not the same as two movies later when he's saying Welcome to Primetime Bitch!

CPL593H fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 18, 2020

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



CPL593H posted:

Truth be told I don't really like the series all that much and Freddy's Revenge is the only one I've seen more than once (except for the first movie) and would ever watch again. I think not having seen the first movie in the context of it before all the sequels spoils it because all I can think of is the jokey bullshit. They have some great practical visual effects and some of those even border on surrealism but I can't be bothered to sit through an entire one of those movies. I didn't want to say this before because I didn't want to piss on the parade but I just generally don't care much for 80s horror franchises and I don't like slashers as much as I did when I was a teenager. They can be fun, especially the incredibly creative ways people are dispatched but over the years I just got burned out on them. I get why some people are into it but at this point in my life I'm more into supernatural poo poo like the Sentinel or stuff like Larry Cohen movies or Ready or Not. Basically the weirder or wackier stuff.




If you just watch the first Nightmare on Elm Street, or the first Halloween, or the first Friday the 13th and treat them like single movies, they’re all extremely good and complete experiences unto themselves. The franchise comes into existence with the second entries and afterward.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.


Are the F13th movies streaming anywhere? I’ve only ever seen the first one and thought it was extremely whatever.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW




Big Mean Jerk posted:

Are the F13th movies streaming anywhere? I’ve only ever seen the first one and thought it was extremely whatever.

I think they’re still on Prime, at least 1-8.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Nope



Biff Rockgroin posted:

Maybe I need to re-watch the first one. For some reason I remember him being pretty jokey.
NoES Freddy is SUPER into playing mindgames with the victims, like Nancy seeing a bodybag with her friend in it being dragged into the hall and then stumbling on a weirdo Hall Monitor that's like ¤WHERES YOUR PAASSSS¤, or the alley scene where he just extends his arms for no reason.

Biff Rockgroin
Jun 17, 2005

Go to commercial!



I think I'm remembering the arm thing and that's why I remember the movie being goofier than it really was.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

If you just watch the first Nightmare on Elm Street, or the first Halloween, or the first Friday the 13th and treat them like single movies, they’re all extremely good and complete experiences unto themselves. The franchise comes into existence with the second entries and afterward.

Oh for sure. I guess what I was trying to say is that my tastes changed over the years and I saw so much of those kind of movies where I'm just bored with it (with the exception of Halloween which is just better than those other movies as far as I'm concerned). I get why other people like them though. There's a lot of fun stuff there.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


Good News! Vinegar Syndrome has put the Angel series up as individual releases for anyone that slept on the box set.

The first one is actually good.

The second one is good in a Cannon Pictures way.

The third one sucks IMHO.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



In case you missed it after Shout Factory yanked it, Amazon has copies of Swimming to Cambodia on DVD for fourteen bucks.

FUN FACT: I really got into Spalding Gray when I was 12 because I saw the listing for Monster in a Box in the TV guide and flipped it on because I thought it was going to be a monster movie.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

caligulamprey posted:

In case you missed it after Shout Factory yanked it, Amazon has copies of Swimming to Cambodia on DVD for fourteen bucks.

FUN FACT: I really got into Spalding Gray when I was 12 because I saw the listing for Monster in a Box in the TV guide and flipped it on because I thought it was going to be a monster movie.

Still in stock on Shout's website.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



CPL593H posted:

Still in stock on Shout's website.
Huh, doesn't show up when I do a search on their site, had to find it via Google. Good excuse to give myself for picking it up, at least.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



Still working my way through the Al Adamson Collection. Today I watched two movies, both of which were the exact same movie. I mean I'd read the descriptions of the movies, I knew what I was getting but I wasn't expecting such a blatant repackaging of the same film using the lowest amount of effort possible. Psycho-a-Go-Go was actually pretty decent, I was surprised how watchable it was after seeing three movies in a row starring young Russ Tamblyn and old Lon Chaney, Jr. that bored me to loving tears. But then I watched Fiend With the Electronic Brain and it was 95% of Psycho-a-Go-Go but Adamson tacked on a mad scientist explaining how the lead henchman Joe was on the brink of death and he was resurrected with an electronic brain that overwrote his personality and made him prone to fits of extreme violence. Adamson didn't even really rearrange the footage, it all played out exactly the same but there was like 20 minutes of new footage shot on a cheap soundstage with two of the original actors and a new actor playing the mad scientist.

I have to say, if anybody really wants a crash course in what the 70's "grindhouse" scene was really like, the Al Adamson boxed set is it. It's boring garbage with salacious titles that make you excited to see the movies, then they have a bait and switch with a heist movie that's been retooled to be a sci-fi horror movie by tacking on 20 minutes of bland exposition. I'll probably hold on to the set because it's loving fascinating, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to sell it for a profit on eBay.

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Biff Rockgroin
Jun 17, 2005

Go to commercial!



I think most people like the aesthetic of Grindhouse rather than the actual movies whether they know it or not, because most of the movies are boring garbage that people had to be tricked into watching.

As far as renaming movies go, the worst example I can remember is the movie Screamers. Roger Corman bought some boring rear end Italian fishman movie called, like, Island of the fishmen, released it as that, and when it failed to make any money, he renamed it Screamers, made a cool poster for it, slapped 15 minutes of actual entertaining footage of Cameron Mitchell and awesome gore and rereleased it. The result is a movie that starts out great and then becomes almost unwatchable.

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