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Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

The Bee posted:

To be fair, the answer here apparently included Chaos Control.

No it doesn’t. Reverse Flash guesses it did, but Sonic says “that’s my secret.”

The truth about Sonic’s speed is that its limits are whatever the stories need them to be. It’s no fun if Flash and Reverse Flash outmatch him so he’s at their level. The end.

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TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Nodosaur posted:

No it doesn’t. Reverse Flash guesses it did, but Sonic says “that’s my secret.”

The truth about Sonic’s speed is that its limits are whatever the stories need them to be. It’s no fun if Flash and Reverse Flash outmatch him so he’s at their level. The end.

Your Honor if I may quote the Sonic theme song, you'll find that Sonic is the "fastest thing alive" repeated several times. I believe this sets legal precedent for him being the fastest thing alive. I rest my case.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Need to see Sonic as the Thing. Not the one from the movie or the Addams Family though.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

RareAcumen posted:

Need to see Sonic as the Thing. Not the one from the movie or the Addams Family though.

Wouldn't that be a role more suited to Knuckles?

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Larryb posted:

Wouldn't that be a role more suited to Knuckles?

'The fastest Thing alive'

acetcx
Jul 21, 2011

#79 deserves the hype, a very good book.

The art is absolutely phenomenal. Tons of great panels and some really striking colours.

I do wish they had given the arc a few more issues to breathe though. I think it would have been well served with some more preamble and setup but I'm not gonna complain about what we got.

The comic has been a bit boring in my opinion since the Surge/Kit arc finished so I hope they keep this energy up.

Agent Rush
Aug 30, 2008

You looked, Junker!
I did not realize I needed Batman vs. Metal Sonic until this moment.

Agent Rush
Aug 30, 2008

You looked, Junker!

acetcx posted:

#79 deserves the hype, a very good book.

The art is absolutely phenomenal. Tons of great panels and some really striking colours.

I do wish they had given the arc a few more issues to breathe though. I think it would have been well served with some more preamble and setup but I'm not gonna complain about what we got.

The comic has been a bit boring in my opinion since the Surge/Kit arc finished so I hope they keep this energy up.

Just finished the issue, it really is something special! Definitely up there with the highs like #24, #53, and Scrapnik Island #2.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007


Batman wanting to ride around Sonic loops is pretty funny.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Azubah posted:

Batman wanting to ride around Sonic loops is pretty funny.

Also Batman saying "loop de loops" is hilarious no matter which Batman voice you use to say it

The Awesomesaurus
Feb 15, 2006

I'm too cool to be extinct.

Certainly wasn’t expecting Green Lantern to use Final Color Blaster.

Skeletome
Feb 4, 2011

Tell them about the tournament!

As a GL fan I had such a big smile on my face at that. It makes perfect sense!

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

The Awesomesaurus posted:

Certainly wasn’t expecting Green Lantern to use Final Color Blaster.

It just doesn't work as well without a announcer yelling the colors/powers....

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Totally called it with Whisper.

acetcx
Jul 21, 2011

Gigi Dutreix (artist for IDW) is auctioning off the original painting of the cover of #81. It would be kind of neat to have such a unique piece but I don't think it's really my thing. The unnamed character is starting to grow on me though. Hopefully they end up being a compelling villain, the series could certainly use one right about now.

https://ebay.us/m/OdXnPC

Veotax
May 16, 2006


Looks like the comic is finally going to be moving passed Frontiers (and probably adapting it, I guess)

https://x.com/IDWPublishing/status/1947695703175663769

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Veotax posted:

Looks like the comic is finally going to be moving passed Frontiers (and probably adapting it, I guess)

https://x.com/IDWPublishing/status/1947695703175663769

Probably not adapting it. Well, at least not a straight adaptation as that would cut the whole cast down to 6.... and 3 of those don't do much in the plot except be semi-transparent and talk to Sonic! (well, until the DLC)... but since Flynn already wrote that dialogue, all the characters would be repeating a lot. I am interested to see how he moves forward since I remember Frontiers having some pretty wild lore implications for the entire Sonic canon, but I don't want to have to do a deep dive on the Sonic wiki, so I'll be happy to let Ian do it all again where in a medium where characters can get a lot more yappy.


Either way though, I'm excited to see Sage join the cast. She's great.

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jul 23, 2025

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Man having Sage around is just going to make poor Belle get even more depressed

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Same, there’s a potential Sage & Belle storyline in there that practically writes itself (the daughter Eggman accepted Vs the one he discarded). Plus I’d also like to see the former interact with Metal Sonic, Orbot, and Cubot

Larryb fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Jul 23, 2025

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

And now it seems the above is confirmed:

https://x.com/IDWPublishing/status/1948042981862170709

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics
"Wait. So Eggman made a daughter."
"Yes."
"And he... loves and respects her and treats her like his own?"
"Yes."
"... does it count as a villain origin if I want to kill the villain?"
"'fraid so."
"Nuts and bolts!"

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Well if that's the look it seems like they might just be skipping past the game since the white and blue is how she looks at the end of Frontiers after all the sanctity of life/power of friendship stuff that goes down with Sonic & co + interacting with a bunch of Ancient memories.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

TwoPair posted:

Well if that's the look it seems like they might just be skipping past the game since the white and blue is how she looks at the end of Frontiers after all the sanctity of life/power of friendship stuff that goes down with Sonic & co + interacting with a bunch of Ancient memories.

I think she looks like that in Crossworlds as well so I guess that’s her default design now

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics
I think the red popped a bit better so that's unfortunate.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

I guess this also means the default ending of Frontiers is canon as opposed to the DLC one where she never had to sacrifice herself in the first place

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

Uh. Why would that be canon? Given Sage is ALIVE I would presume this follows the ending where she’s, yknow, alive

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Nodosaur posted:

Uh. Why would that be canon? Given Sage is ALIVE I would presume this follows the ending where she’s, yknow, alive

Did you miss the final scene at the end of the main one where Eggman recreates her? She’s alive after the events of the game no matter what

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QYYEG3OrUtw

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

That still doesn’t indicate which ending is canon, because Sage is blue and white no matter which ending she goes through, I thought?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics
Yeah, I don't think there's anything indicating it either way. It just depends on if she's rebuilt or not.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Ah ok, I couldn’t remember if she still had any red in her hair during the DLC and misremembered her only changing color when she was inside the Titan at the end

But yeah, either way she’s still around by the time the game’s over

In any case, curious if the comic will mention why Eggman hasn’t busted her out again until now

Larryb fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 23, 2025

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Larryb posted:

Ah ok, I couldn’t remember if she still had any red in her hair during the DLC and misremembered her only changing color when she was inside the Titan at the end

But yeah, either way she’s still around by the time the game’s over

In any case, curious if the comic will mention why Eggman hasn’t busted her out again until now

Probably because she's too competent and wouldn't manage to self-sabotage like Eggman does constantly

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics

Larryb posted:

Ah ok, I couldn’t remember if she still had any red in her hair during the DLC and misremembered her only changing color when she was inside the Titan at the end

But yeah, either way she’s still around by the time the game’s over

In any case, curious if the comic will mention why Eggman hasn’t busted her out again until now

The comic is still Pre-Frontiers. Her showing up means they're either going to adapt or skip over Frontiers.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

ImpAtom posted:

The comic is still Pre-Frontiers. Her showing up means they're either going to adapt or skip over Frontiers.

I’m assuming the latter (IDW doesn’t really do game adaptions in the main book like Archie or Fleetway did and the next available issue is #80 anyway)

But yeah, it does seem like Eggman would be a bit more competent with Sage at his side (and the opening cutscene of Final Horizon shows she’s onboard with the whole world domination thing) so I’ll be curious to see how they work that out

Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jul 23, 2025

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics
It's an interesting question because it's kind of one that lingers over the games too since nothing has gone past Frontier. Robotnik's treatment in Frontiers was incredibly sympathetic despite him being his usual world-ending self and I'm not sure how you thread the needle of "insane dictator who wants to rule the world but is constantly defeated by a blue hedgehog" and "Loving father and his adorable precocious and seemingly good person daughter." Hopefully Flynn and the crew have something in mind.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Technically Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog was post Frontiers but that was an April Fool’s joke made by Sega’s PR department so I’m not sure how “canon” it was, there was the mobile only Sonic Dream Team which didn’t mention Sage at all, and Sage is playable in Crossworlds but it’s not looking like that game’s going to have any kind of real plot the way TSR did

In other words yeah, the comics will be the first to really cover this specific ground (and as such, likely give us some inclination of how a post Frontiers Sage is going to be handled in whatever the next major Sonic game will be) which is going to make this particularly interesting to see

Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 23, 2025

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

The way Ian Flynn used to talk about this in his Bumblekasts (before he stopped so Sonic questions didn't have to be vetted by Sega, since he is now technically lead writer for the games), his idea seemed to be that Sage is a very good girl... in ways that Robotnik would approve of. Is she likely to enact a plan of mass murder? Probably not. Could she be convinced to aid in a plan of mass murder if it'll make her daddy world overlord? Possibly, if you couch it as for the good of the remaining people.

Frontier's Sage stuff wasn't necessarily her learning to be morally good, it was her learning to be a person and how families and friends work, and that those are things she wants. Her primary goal was always "protect Eggman" and it became "protect dad" but that dad is still Eggman, and she knows it. She's alright with Sonic and co., but it would be easier for everyone if they just realized her dad could run the world SO much better. Yeah she ends up fighting for the good side in Frontiers, learns lessons, etc, but in the end she's still Eggman's kid and she still idolizes him.

Basically, she might seem nice and everything, but she can absolutely happily build a death ray satellite to make dad proud of her, and too bad for the people who won't let him zap them with it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
She's his Bowser Jr.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007


The DC crossover wrapped up nicely and now I want another cross over with Mega Man so we can have Wily, Luthor, and Robotnick being best evil scientist buds.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
Kind of an anticlimactic end. I mean I knew it would end with Super Sonic because of course it would, and I didn't expect any lasting consequences for either universe beyond some sequel bait (which we got) but still it all felt very... I guess "by the numbers" would be what I'm looking for? I guess if I had one complaint it would be all the Sonic characters staying in their JL cosplays until the end.


Well, maybe if there does come a sequel crossover one day, they can drag in some of the non-game characters along with some B-list DC heroes. Give me Tangle & Whisper meet Booster Gold & Blue Beetle or some other ridiculous combos.

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jul 31, 2025

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The Awesomesaurus
Feb 15, 2006

I'm too cool to be extinct.

Azubah posted:

The DC crossover wrapped up nicely and now I want another cross over with Mega Man so we can have Wily, Luthor, and Robotnick being best evil scientist buds.

Spoilers for this year’s Superman movie Eggman nodding with great interest as Luthor goes “1A! 1A! 1A! 1A!”

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