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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

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John Murdoch posted:

The vibe I got was that since the community was much, much smaller the couple of cliques that developed actually had some sway (plus it was older, shittier SA) so you had a lot of pointless bullshit being slung between people or ganging up on people over video quality. Once that old guard grew up, chilled out, or otherwise moved on there was some breathing room. And not to say there wasn't some self-awareness there, since a lot of that old guard participated in the throwback '07 LP thread which I think heralded the move towards a more chill subforum.

It's a lot less ego-driven than it used to be too. There aren't any real singular "big" LPers anymore with fervently loyal audiences. There's no slowbeefs and Diabeetus'es and Freelance Astronauts anymore. It's more cosmopolitan with lots of smaller and mid-level people who collaborate with each other and cross pollinate a lot more than you used to see in the 06 era. Someone could do a gangbusters popular LP and follow it up with a thread that barely cracks 40 posts by the time the LP itself is done, or pull the inverse and go from a 10 post LP to one that goes gold by the third update.

Because a lot of LPers these days are also LP watchers, people in the sub tend to be supportive of each others projects and look out for one another however they can. Not always, but quite often in my experience at least.


Max Wilco posted:

Between Retsupurae and the rules of the LP subforum (which I imagine are still largely the same), my takeaway was that there was a certain standard of quality that had to be met if you were going to post an LP. Titling of videos, structure of videos, clear and concise commentary, editing out failures or waiting time; it was sort of the anti-thesis of YouTube. Anything low effort got drummed out or discouraged. Perhaps it's not as strict anymore (it's been a while since I've been dropped into the subforum), but I took it as a type of curation.

We've become functionally more flexible in that regard, if not nominally. Facecam LPs, garbage audio and video, and just flat out awful commentary and presentation are still verboten and sledgehammered on sight for obvious reasons (LordKat, of all people, Sandcastled an LP of his and when he was asked to maybe tone down his hollow tryhard edgelord style and flippant rape jokes he had an amazing meltdown and fled the forums), but if someone shows a genuine interest in learning how to "properly" LP something and improve their craft, we're much less hostile and elitist, I find, than we were even in the 2012's era of LPing.

Actually, we're kind of long overdue for another first-post faceplant LP from an up and coming YouTube Superstar. Even to this day, those ones tend to be fair game for people to come out of the woodwork and rizz the poo poo out of though.

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John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I have special eyes.

Just think of all the cool stuff I can see.


Max Wilco posted:

Also, this may sound strange, but back when I first watched those old Retsupuraes, I saw a bit of myself in the some of doofuses they riffed on, and it was sort of eye-opening to me in regards to how you should act. I don't know if that makes any sense. Basically, it boiled down to 'don't be like this, unless you want to embarrass yourself.'

That doesn't sound strange to me. There was definitely a narrow space wherein people who got Retsupurae'd took it in stride and could laugh at themselves or particularly nasty folks got called out and rightfully mocked. It probably did ultimately help bump up the average quality of LPs a tiny bit.

The problem was that outside of that space what you essentially had were some of the people who literally invented the medium making GBS threads on completely clueless newbies - often literal children, people with autism, or people too young or poor to afford comparatively elaborate recording set-ups - in what was a totally brand new internet thing. A brand new internet thing where a lot of the secret protocols and knowledge were locked behind a paywall to boot. No duh these people would have no idea how to record a proper LP. No duh they wouldn't know what a capture card even was and would just point a camcorder at the TV and hope for the best. No duh a nerdy 12 year old who just really likes Pokemon has no idea how to be an internet personality.

Sure, a few of the worst cases could be object examples of what not to do, but after a certain point it would be like MST3k snarking over someone's old home movies. I feel like it's not a coincidence that Retsupurae found its resurgence in making fun of bad or bonkers old games that people were actually expected to pay money for, made by people who ostensibly knew what they were doing and not overeager amateurs.

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jun 3, 2018

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010





To bring it back around to the thread topic, Retsupurae probably peaked with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rfc5BY2F8

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




John Murdoch posted:

Sure, a few of the worst cases could be object examples of what not to do, but after a certain point it would be like MST3k snarking over someone's old home movies. I feel like it's not a coincidence that Retsupurae found its resurgence in making fun of bad or bonkers old games that people were actually expected to pay money for, made by people who ostensibly knew what they were doing and not overeager amateurs.

That's why the Navigtr/Gaming in the Clinton Years ones were consistently the funniest ones, because it felt like they were punching "up" for once instead of down, because the guy had ostensibly professional production values and vocal presence... he just had gobsmackingly insane opinions and ideas about video games that made you laugh at them reflexively already without beef and Beetus even having to say anything.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

WampaLord posted:

To bring it back around to the thread topic, Retsupurae probably peaked with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rfc5BY2F8

I'm sorry but Cornshaq will always be the best video.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I have special eyes.

Just think of all the cool stuff I can see.


nine-gear crow posted:

That's why the Navigtr/Gaming in the Clinton Years ones were consistently the funniest ones, because it felt like they were punching "up" for once instead of down, because the guy had ostensibly professional production values and vocal presence... he just had gobsmackingly insane opinions and ideas about video games that made you laugh at them reflexively already without beef and Beetus even having to say anything.

Or at least whatever nonsense his writers put in his mouth. But yeah, exactly, any time they punched up it got way funnier. The Newgrounds stuff was kind of in the middle, though once they got to the weird world of premium flash cartoons, hoo boy.

Nuebot posted:

I'm sorry but Cornshaq will always be the best video.
My favorites were the earnest goofballs. Electrical Beast, Billy MC, and Lime Popsicle.

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Jun 3, 2018

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012



FoldableHuman posted:

Assuming you have the standard "as little as I can get away with" budget, the Blue Yeti is actually a pretty good intersection of quality and price since there's so many on the second hand market. It's not amazing (which is why there's so many on the second hand market) but it's good enough, and it's super popular so there's a million and one tutorials out there on just about any problem or quirk that could ever crop up with one. Better setups don't really start to pay off until you're in the $300 range because you need both a good mic and a good interface. (The Yeti is basically a decent mic and a mediocre interface.) For the overwhelming majority of people starting out issues like room noise and mic technique are going to make a far greater impact on quality than the hardware limitations of the Yeti.

For editing software, I have esoteric recommendations.

If you have iMovie or Windows Movie Maker you should definitely use them until you hate them, which probably won't take long.

From there I'd recommend jumping into the deep end with Da Vinci Resolve. It's free, but it's also about as dense as a brick made out of a bunch smaller, denser bricks. Still, there's lots of tutorials out there, just not a whole ton that are YouTube-creator focused, so it tends to fly under the radar for that crowd. That said it's hardly insurmountable and includes a full-suite audio workstation, so you don't need to screw around with Audacity.

Edit: yes, I sat with this post open all day.

Hey, thanks so much for this, I really appreciate it (and thanks to the others who chimed in too). I assume you actually are Dan Olson and not just a weird fan of his who used his branding for an SA account and also happens to know a lot about video essay production - I’m a big fan of your videos (just watched the 50 Shades and Book Club ones the other day), and it’s great to get advice from someone who’s work you admire. So, again, thanks.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

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Fake Phelous was one thing. I don't think I could handle Foldy Dan turning out to be Phony Day.

Dragonatrix
Aug 16, 2009

You have offended STRINGIE! You must be punished!


New Night Mind video that's a little bit more different. It's not a review or explanation thing; instead, it's Nick reflecting on the old Marble Hornets stuff he did among some other stuff. It's a pretty neat idea that lets you see behind the curtain somewhat.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde

Kim Justice posted:

LMAO YouTube isn't all that bad really: http://www.newsweek.com/anything4vi...eamfails-951749

What in the gently caress
he was streaming on youtube at the time, twitch banned him cause they monitor their streamers social media for stuff like that

that whole gang have moved to youtube now where their racist poo poo is tolerated, all these streamers used to be on twitch

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...332694968487936
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...895299470639105
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...952224245899270
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...376813308329985
( media havnt covered this only tariq was on twitter so ice poseidons fans tried to kill him with SWAT)

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/st...146762381615104

Reclines Obesily fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jun 3, 2018

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde

youtube havn’t done anything about this, seems impossible to even contact them about it unless you work for the NYT or something

they also abuse homeless people for fun infront of 10k+ viewers

(sorry for derail)

on the topic of contrapoints video, god i loathe dave rubin, even contras version of him

Reclines Obesily fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jun 3, 2018

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Reclines Obesily posted:

he was streaming on youtube at the time, twitch banned him cause they monitor their streamers social media for stuff like that

that whole gang have moved to youtube now where their racist poo poo is tolerated, all these streamers used to be on twitch

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...332694968487936
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...895299470639105
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...952224245899270
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...376813308329985
( media havnt covered this only tariq was on twitter so ice poseidons fans tried to kill him with SWAT)

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/st...146762381615104

Apparently the Buffalo Wild Wings twitter hacker was also either and Ice Poseidon groupie or fan because in addition to the other horrifyingly racist things they tweeted before BWW regained control over the account was a direct attack at Tariq Nasheed using a codeword meme normally only found in Ice Poseidon's stream chats. Like, the way this guy and his circle of friends appear to be spinning ever faster out of control with their antics, it's only a matter of time before something goes catastrophically wrong for them or someone else because of something they were directly responsible for.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde

nine-gear crow posted:

Apparently the Buffalo Wild Wings twitter hacker was also either and Ice Poseidon groupie or fan because in addition to the other horrifyingly racist things they tweeted before BWW regained control over the account was a direct attack at Tariq Nasheed using a codeword meme normally only found in Ice Poseidon's stream chats. Like, the way this guy and his circle of friends appear to be spinning ever faster out of control with their antics, it's only a matter of time before something goes catastrophically wrong for them or someone else because of something they were directly responsible for.

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...698424729272321

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...123723426152453

they also keep confusing tariq for shaun king which is a little bit amusing

but yeah if youtube still dont give a poo poo even after all the racism and the swatting and a terrorist scare that evacuated a college someones going to end up dead before they do anything

Reclines Obesily fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Jun 3, 2018

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007



Swatting already has a body count: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ng-death-regret

I've seen a bunch of these IRL streamers. They do really dumb arse things like walk around in public with text to speech donations on, and giving the people the ability to play songs...I thought that something like that would be the cause of the Arab Andy dealie but nope, turns out he's actually that stupid to do it intentionally.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)


Are you sure the cops arent just really bad at their jobs

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




that too.

there was a house of streamers swatted once and you can see the cops come in all hard rear end on a guy obviously just playing games on his computer (the call was hostages in the building). swearing at him, acting like he's being hostile and poo poo.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!




Reclines Obesily posted:

he was streaming on youtube at the time, twitch banned him cause they monitor their streamers social media for stuff like that

that whole gang have moved to youtube now where their racist poo poo is tolerated, all these streamers used to be on twitch

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...332694968487936
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...895299470639105
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...952224245899270
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/st...376813308329985
( media havnt covered this only tariq was on twitter so ice poseidons fans tried to kill him with SWAT)

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/st...146762381615104

look guys the far left and the far right are just as bad as each other ok

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006



What helped DeceasedCrab was that nowadays people are a bit more earnest about stuff they dig so you don't have as much whining about his "constant La-Mulana vids" when people poo poo out 30 to 40 hours of stream VODs A WEEK playing the exact same game, rambling over it, and getting cheered on for it. Him posting a 10 minute video twice a week seems quaint compared to let's say, NorthernLion series.

Also, the whole "ARAB ANDY" ordeal:

https://twitter.com/HonoredSpirit/s...503138367156224

https://twitter.com/HonoredSpirit/s...508602979037184

https://twitter.com/HonoredSpirit/s...517247070539776

https://twitter.com/HonoredSpirit/s...540644945088513

https://twitter.com/realstevewagner...536592735703040

Trojan Kaiju
Feb 13, 2012




WampaLord posted:

To bring it back around to the thread topic, Retsupurae probably peaked with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rfc5BY2F8

That wasn't even the peak for retsupuraes of that NC video.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?


nine-gear crow posted:

I like to think that the rise of Geop, Blind Sally, Fedule, and myself to power in LP helped usher in an era of people chilling the gently caress out over it
I would add Chip and Ironicus to that (isn't it weird that their MGSV LP isn't on the forums?)

Motto
Aug 3, 2013



Chip's LPs are crazy meticulous though, in both covered content and editing.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

If you LP what I LP
And if you work retail like I work retail
You would also scream like I scream


achillesforever6 posted:

I would add Chip and Ironicus to that (isn't it weird that their MGSV LP isn't on the forums?)

Pretty sure he's gone full LP Zone at this point.



Either that or he knows he can't compete with my MGSV LP and just didn't want to bother

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 43 hours!


yea Retsuprae was funny but when you took away the jokes it was mostly just 'you're awkward and/or bad at a video game? ARE YOU RETARDED?! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU YOU loving MORON?!' and I can kinda see why they'd want to step back from that being their online brand. I like that most of them are just kinda normal rear end LPers who are funny now, they're still nice and entertaining without having to style their brand around 'hey gently caress this guy am I right?'

Chip and Ironicus did a few really good ones way back making fun of poo poo like old gaming commercials/gamestop training vids that were fantastic.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)


I miss their elemental goddesses riff.

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.


It's interesting to see the dynamic of people too horrible for the premier platform in an online space (livestreaming) moving to less-popular me-too sites with less-strict rules in that space is playing out between Twitch and Youtube which puts Youtube in the opposite of their usual position. Dan Olson touched on this in his video about VidMe ():

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3snVCRo_bI#t=307s
(Start at 5:07 if the link doesn't work properly.)

EDIT: New Down The Rabbit Hole on the Final Fantasy House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRjrLmc_4c

Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jun 3, 2018

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Dragonatrix posted:

New Night Mind video that's a little bit more different. It's not a review or explanation thing; instead, it's Nick reflecting on the old Marble Hornets stuff he did among some other stuff. It's a pretty neat idea that lets you see behind the curtain somewhat.

This makes me wonder what happened to the Marble Hornets crew. I know they fought over money and split up, then some portion of them tried a new project and gave up, but that was years ago and they were all 22. I wonder if they’re doing interesting stuff somewhere now that they’re presumably more grown up. Or maybe they’re doing furniture warehouse commercials in Alabama.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



my parents boyfriend posted:

I usually just cover nice guy and neckbeard stories (after getting sick of incels) but I've been trying to break into covering creepy stories lately and it's been a lot of fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXZ6zem6n0

Super down with the Creepy Saturday theme, though I'd personally prefer if it were more let's not meet and the like instead of nosleep. I'm more interested in the ostensibly true than in someone's creepypasta, same as with the neckbeards and nice guys and all that.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!


I think in general, cringe humor (at least when it comes to internet randoms) is the kind of thing people engage in for just a few years before going "what am I even doing, these are dumb kids" and moving on.

Either that or they become Kiwifarms.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 43 hours!


The Bee posted:

I think in general, cringe humor (at least when it comes to internet randoms) is the kind of thing people engage in for just a few years before going "what am I even doing, these are dumb kids" and moving on.

Either that or they become Kiwifarms.

Yea there seems to be a VERY sharp divide between 'spends a few years laughing at someone just for being weird/awkward, realizes that's a pretty lovely way to treat someone and moves on' and 'devotes entire identity to doubling down', there doesn't seem to be much middle ground.

Like, the podcast The F Plus pretty well nails it. Sure there's elements of 'lol lookit the weirdos' but it's basically just an internet safari, 90% of it is stuff like laughing about people being way too open about their kinks in public or crazy motherfuckers shoving magnets in their fingers but there's never any real malice. It's just like 'hey did you know there's a community of people who wanna gently caress cars? Yea that's a weird thing, let's giggle at a dude talking about not loving the car while its hot'. They save actual malice and anger for, ya know, racist reddit types and all. That's about the only way you can do 'cringe' humor without just being a weirdo yourself. Just be all 'yea I'm going into their world, no you shouldn't gently caress with them leave them be, I just think it's funny'.

CYBEReris
Dec 15, 2007



Ultimately who's more of a weirdo, the weirdo or the person incessantly prodding and stalking the weirdo?

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010





Noah Gervais made a new video about Survival Strategy games!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiQYjPdq_qI

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh

Fun Shoe

Posts about cringe culture are well timed, cuz Down the Rabbit Hole just released a video about the FF7 house.

Now there's something I haven't thought about in a LONG time.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Was this posted last week? Nella Explains Memorial Day Weekend, short and informative (and with maps!) as usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZvVNrdrws

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Mr.Radar posted:

Shut up about Star Wars, there's a new ContraPoints video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1dJ8whOM8E

When she eventually introduces a fourth character on screen at the same time as the other three, it will be the biggest dramaturgical innovation since Aeschylus. I feel like this video especially is teasing that possibility really aggressively.

EDIT: that content warning is no joke.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Retsupurae's best videos are their longplay commentaries on oldschool horror games like alone in the dark.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010





Arcsquad12 posted:

Retsupurae's best videos are their longplay commentaries on oldschool horror games like alone in the dark.

Their series on the Zapdramatic flash series is my personal favorite, because I remember playing all those games on Newgrounds back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt05eLs-Jno

CYBEReris
Dec 15, 2007



I wish RP were more active but beef's got a whole family now so it's totally understandable that he focuses more on casual streams. I've been enjoying watching him play through oddball stuff.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Raycevick - Battlefield's Lost Mechanic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnbVvs8hpXQ




And of course.

Jenny - Solo Bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP8FZ4cBzaI

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.


The Bee posted:

I think in general, cringe humor (at least when it comes to internet randoms) is the kind of thing people engage in for just a few years before going "what am I even doing, these are dumb kids" and moving on.

Either that or they become Kiwifarms.

this. its a lovely phase some people get into and these dipshits never got out of. i mean i can still laugh at weird cringe poo poo or gross dickhead stuff(old opie and anthony stuff). but these fucks get super dupper irony poisoning and then start saying it for real.

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MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Lindsay Ellis - The Ideology of the First Order: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAVeyXwy3BE

STAR WARS

MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 3, 2018

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