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Garrand
Dec 28, 2012




OmanyteJackson posted:

What you're describing is the West Wing. The show that has given decorum poisoning to an entire generation of america's political class.

So I have watched The (first four seasons of) West Wing a ton and I don't really see that. Sure it's not some super leftist show or anything but the characters usually try whatever tricks they can do to get the poo poo they want passed. The first major plot point of the series is Leo calling Bartlet out on getting to the White House on a leftist campaign only to ride to the center and sit.

e: oh my god what a stupid snype

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Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007



Iíve only seen maybe one and a half episodes of Steven Universe, but based on what Iíve heard about the show isnít ďbeat villains with the power of friendship and compassionĒ basically its overarching theme? Sure, it can seem a little cheesy from an adultís perspective, but I think itís an important message for kids to be exposed to.

A lot of media seems to fixate on narratives of hatred and revenge, and while this isnít necessarily a problem (itís still fiction, after all) itís good to have an alternative; a story about understanding your enemies rather than just hating them. Kids can watch all sorts of shows if they want to see righteous heroes battle monstrous villains, but in the real world even the worst villain is still a human, and having stories that acknowledge that fact is a good thing.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?



OmanyteJackson posted:

A product of lack of oversight, poor planning, and a lead creative with a lack of experience and blinded by privilege.

Ah yes the privilege on display from *Checks notes* an incredibly visibly-queer, non-binary, jewish, bisexual woman in america.

D O R K Y
Aug 31, 2001



It's an oversimplification of the show to say it's entirely "kill em with kindness" lessons, when some of the heavier arcs in the show deal with instances of hurting/being hurt by people you love. It utilizes it's serialized story to show the lasting effects and try to teach that emotional intelligence.

The show does have a villain problem where almost all tension is killed almost immediately after a villain's introduction, but I don't think the show is irresponsible in that depiction.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011



cat doter posted:

the correct people to hate are white south africans hope I could help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeDk6ZeGNnU

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?



Big lol at the comments, even moreso when one of them is that Millennial Woes dipshit whining.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008



Testekill posted:

edit: It's a game written by Chris Avellone so you have a jumping off point on whether you'd be interested or not.

George Zeits wrote the main quest.

Garrand posted:

So I have watched The (first four seasons of) West Wing a ton and I don't really see that. Sure it's not some super leftist show or anything but the characters usually try whatever tricks they can do to get the poo poo they want passed. The first major plot point of the series is Leo calling Bartlet out on getting to the White House on a leftist campaign only to ride to the center and sit.

e: oh my god what a stupid snype

https://soundcloud.com/citationsnee...f-liberal-minds

Is a good breakdown of how that show influenced a bunch of centrists. It's not a bad show, but its politics are pretty poisonous to the Left.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





I have never actually watched the West Wing but having dumbass liberal friends sharing clips from it over and over to try to make their point and feel smug has made me hate it regardless. It may not as a show be responsible but it's fans are 100% the people who have ruined the left with liberalism.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


This is all why I like How to Train Your Dragon 2 so much. It still affirms the belief that empathy should be employed whenever possible to avoid conflict, but sometimes people are just awful assholes and you need to fight even if it is against your morals.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.




the real villains are the people that spell Steven's name 'Stephen'

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Excuse me it's spell Steefen.

OmanyteJackson
Mar 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


Yardbomb posted:

Ah yes the privilege on display from *Checks notes* an incredibly visibly-queer, non-binary, jewish, bisexual woman in america.

She's from one of the richest counties in maryland and went to school in one of the richest districts in the country.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?



Because we all know that going to a nice school means that homophobia, sexism and antisemitism will never trouble you again.

You're goin down a real bad path with this line of thought duder.

OmanyteJackson
Mar 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


Do you not know what privilege is? Let me help you out. Where sugar went to school is only a hour away from the place where the wire was shot, imagine being a queer Jewish woman there. Would it be easier or harder? Is having access to better resources more helpful to marginal people or less so?

Intersectional feminism includes class, dude. Read a book.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Half-watch a kids` show and then whine about it for a couple of pages.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013



OmanyteJackson posted:

if the show ends with all 4 diamonds in a gulag then great. Otherwise I'll just hope the next groundbreaking intersectional kids show is both actually intersectional and also, good.

OmanyteJackson posted:

if the show ends with all 4 diamonds in a gulag then great

OmanyteJackson posted:

if the show ends with all 4 diamonds in a gulag then great

Oh no they don't have guillotines in a children's cartoon
What is wrong with you?

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3



Yams Fan

OmanyteJackson posted:

She's from one of the richest counties in maryland and went to school in one of the richest districts in the country.

bigots famously care about your school and upbringing

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010






Shows should be teaching kids that regicide is a moral act.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006



They do have guillotines and something that is amiss from Omanyte's ordeal is that the episode where this is featured does also somewhat start to address the matters they're proposing. Hell a bit before the Human Zoo he gets himself on a similar situation by casting off a Ruby to the unknown deep space.

However, Om does have a point that class can sometimes supersede the other qualifiers on the general scheme of things. I know I've met a fair share of people from (Racial, Gender and Sexual Minority x) that campaigned and endorsed measures that would explicitly go after them (sometimes to the point of penalty of death) purely just to keep their own capital and clout.

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013


Never believe in lies





OmanyteJackson posted:

Do you not know what privilege is? Let me help you out. Where sugar went to school is only a hour away from the place where the wire was shot, imagine being a queer Jewish woman there. Would it be easier or harder? Is having access to better resources more helpful to marginal people or less so?

Intersectional feminism includes class, dude. Read a book.

I live pretty close to where they filmed bergerac, how much does this mean transphobia doesn't affect me

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


OmanyteJackson posted:

Do you not know what privilege is? Let me help you out. Where sugar went to school is only a hour away from the place where the wire was shot, imagine being a queer Jewish woman there. Would it be easier or harder? Is having access to better resources more helpful to marginal people or less so?

Intersectional feminism includes class, dude. Read a book.

totter off back to suck zone where you won't get laughed out of the room, loser

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!


Garrand posted:

So I have watched The (first four seasons of) West Wing a ton and I don't really see that. Sure it's not some super leftist show or anything but the characters usually try whatever tricks they can do to get the poo poo they want passed. The first major plot point of the series is Leo calling Bartlet out on getting to the White House on a leftist campaign only to ride to the center and sit.

e: oh my god what a stupid snype

The problem is it still lives in the lib world where people actually give a poo poo about debate. It's the icon of 'well by YOUR logic' when really when you pull that the right just calls you a cuck jew or whatever.

Like, the entire first episode involves a right wing expert getting hired by Bartlet because she 'kicked Toby's rear end' in a morning show, and she takes the job because despite opposing everything about Bartlet she just loves her country so drat much. It then goes on to reveal the various admin members have such noble pet projects such as 'Toby wants to cut social security TO SAVE IT' and poo poo.

Plus it just writes people terribly, it's a non-political person writing politics. Remember when someone confronts a gay GOP member about being in a party that actively wants him to die, and he just says 'you hate guns right? Well what if all you gun haters joined the NRA instead of fighting it, then you can change it from within'. Like, that's not how any of this works, but Sorkin clearly knows nothing about it so he just imagined one day 51% of the GOP could be gays who were just waiting to say 'ACTUALLY mr party head, we want to vote to say we SHOULDN'T kill gays'.

The Chapo Trap House podcast did a good episode on it, and they summed it up really great. It's like porn. It's ok to watch it, it's ok to enjoy it, but you really shouldn't watch it and think 'yea, this is how it SHOULD be' because it's not healthy.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!


In a less stupid note here's a good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt3ZtY9pIKo

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



I would be so afraid of being smothered in my sleep by that giant porg. Unless the porg just gets the bed.

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013


Never believe in lies





The Knights of Ren are clearly the friends Kylo made along the way

Trojan Kaiju
Feb 13, 2012




business hammocks posted:

I would be so afraid of being smothered in my sleep by that giant porg. Unless the porg just gets the bed.

That's my preferred way to go.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

If you LP what I LP
And if you work retail like I work retail
You would also scream like I scream


business hammocks posted:

I would be so afraid of being smothered in my sleep by that giant porg. Unless the porg just gets the bed.

The porg gets the bed, it expands itself to show dominance.

OmanyteJackson
Mar 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


Junpei Hyde posted:

I live pretty close to where they filmed bergerac, how much does this mean transphobia doesn't affect me

Of corse not. Just because you have some privilege doesn't make things great. all it means is there are people who have it worse

I don't have BBC so I don't know I get the context of the show. I do know that being trans in the inner city means a greater risk of being a victim of a crime or just our hosed up police in general. Hell I have the private of having two middle-class black parents so I didn't interact with police as much as some of my other class mates. A good chunk of witch are in jail, working-poor or even dead.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



In all seriousness it was obvious the Knights of Ren would be dropped after those allegations against John K came out. Billy Westís too old to do both voices these days.

Dragonatrix
Aug 16, 2009

You have offended STRINGIE! You must be punished!


Junpei Hyde posted:

The Knights of Ren are clearly the friends Kylo made along the way

Brave of Disney to blatantly steal a plot point from Noblesse like that.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!


OmanyteJackson posted:

Of corse not. Just because you have some privilege doesn't make things great. all it means is there are people who have it worse

I don't have BBC so I don't know I get the context of the show. I do know that being trans in the inner city means a greater risk of being a victim of a crime or just our hosed up police in general. Hell I have the private of having two middle-class black parents so I didn't interact with police as much as some of my other class mates. A good chunk of witch are in jail, working-poor or even dead.

it's genuinely amazing to hear someone explain how someone is capeing for abuse because as a queer jewish person they grew up middle class and clearly that means they're so blind to the world they think hitler was good or whatever the gently caress your rambling point is. It's like you're some parody of both the idpol libs and how they view class-consciousness. You should pick one when you wanna shitpost.

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

"Why yes, this is a tie with dollar signs on it.

Jealous?"





business hammocks posted:

In all seriousness it was obvious the Knights of Ren would be dropped after those allegations against John K came out. Billy West’s too old to do both voices these days.

Finally a good post

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Crosspost from the Trump thread, because we live in the dumbest timeline. Russian troll bots helped drive criticism of The Last Jedi, really hitting American culture where it matters:

Young Freud posted:

In another example of increasing Russian astroturfing, social criticism of The Last Jedi was amplified by Russian trollbots, according to a new academic study.

It's basically going to turn out that just about everything bad within the last five years is going to be a Russian active measures campaign, isn't it?

PS Mark Judge, the weird creepy failure who helped Brett Kavanaugh in his high-school rape attempts, wrote a pro-gamergate article for some Catholic website. I shouldnít even mention it, but whatever. The guy was like 50 and making youtube videos with nude 19-year-olds when he wrote this:

https://twitter.com/LasagnaGarden/s...0374840321?s=20

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.

Grimey Drawer

business hammocks posted:

I would be so afraid of being smothered in my sleep by that giant porg. Unless the porg just gets the bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw6z9G7p1g#t=170s

Huge. Gracious. Powerful. This porg runs her house.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!


Technically Big Porg's name is on the deed, Jenny just rents from him.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!




business hammocks posted:

Crosspost from the Trump thread, because we live in the dumbest timeline. Russian troll bots helped drive criticism of The Last Jedi, really hitting American culture where it matters:


PS Mark Judge, the weird creepy failure who helped Brett Kavanaugh in his high-school rape attempts, wrote a pro-gamergate article for some Catholic website. I shouldnít even mention it, but whatever. The guy was like 50 and making youtube videos with nude 19-year-olds when he wrote this:

https://twitter.com/LasagnaGarden/s...0374840321?s=20

the internet was a mistake and must be eliminated

OmanyteJackson
Mar 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


Oxxidation posted:

totter off back to suck zone where you won't get laughed out of the room, loser

ha ha, wow. your really going with that "sick burn"? maybe workshop it a bit. accuse me of being a sexist bro while your at it.

fatherboxx posted:

Oh no they don't have guillotines in a children's cartoon
What is wrong with you?

That is called a joke my guy.


sexpig by night posted:

it's genuinely amazing to hear someone explain how someone is capeing for abuse because as a queer jewish person they grew up middle class and clearly that means they're so blind to the world they think hitler was good or whatever the gently caress your rambling point is. It's like you're some parody of both the idpol libs and how they view class-consciousness. You should pick one when you wanna shitpost.

what... how...? I never said Sugar or anyone involved with the show where Nazis. I am saying because the show was poorly thought out and full of anime bullshit it's very possible to see a reading that is pro fascistic or atleast sympathetic to it.
Shows like Naruto are guilty of this too, because they paint every villain as a person with noble intentions that simply lost there way.
it's a trend that's becoming more and more popular in adult entertainment where it's just as dumb but it's confounding to have a show made for children in this time in this point of history to tell them that people in power have good intentions so treat them with respect even if they mean you harm.

forget Hitler, forget Nazis, that's my problem with shows like SU.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!


OmanyteJackson posted:

ha ha, wow. your really going with that "sick burn"? maybe workshop it a bit. accuse me of being a sexist bro while your at it.


That is called a joke my guy.


what... how...? I never said Sugar or anyone involved with the show where Nazis. I am saying because the show was poorly thought out and full of anime bullshit it's very possible to see a reading that is pro fascistic or atleast sympathetic to it.
Shows like Naruto are guilty of this too, because they paint every villain as a person with noble intentions that simply lost there way.
it's a trend that's becoming more and more popular in adult entertainment where it's just as dumb but it's confounding to have a show made for children in this time in this point of history to tell them that people in power have good intentions so treat them with respect even if they mean you harm.

forget Hitler, forget Nazis, that's my problem with shows like SU.

but they literally have never shown the villains as having 'noble intentions', even the redeemed bad guy character was shown as a victim of indoctrination as a low ranking member of the regime. In fact the diamond intentions have always been shown as very bad, it's near instantly established they destroy worlds for resources and completely ignore anyone saying 'maybe we can conserve things and actually wind up with a better system' out of spite and anger. You keep saying this poo poo but you're just weirdly making stuff up about a show for children to get angry.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


OmanyteJackson posted:

ha ha, wow. your really going with that "sick burn"? maybe workshop it a bit. accuse me of being a sexist bro while your at it.


That is called a joke my guy.


what... how...? I never said Sugar or anyone involved with the show where Nazis. I am saying because the show was poorly thought out and full of anime bullshit it's very possible to see a reading that is pro fascistic or atleast sympathetic to it.
Shows like Naruto are guilty of this too, because they paint every villain as a person with noble intentions that simply lost there way.
it's a trend that's becoming more and more popular in adult entertainment where it's just as dumb but it's confounding to have a show made for children in this time in this point of history to tell them that people in power have good intentions so treat them with respect even if they mean you harm.

forget Hitler, forget Nazis, that's my problem with shows like SU.

You haven't watched the show since season 2, and have made nothing but wildly inaccurate points about the villains doing good things despite multiple people telling you otherwise. Maybe take a chill pill and realize that what you've been doing amounts to sticking your fingers in your ears and going "I'M NOT LISTENING! I'M NOT LISTENING! NYEH NYEH NYEH"

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.


business hammocks posted:

Crosspost from the Trump thread, because we live in the dumbest timeline. Russian troll bots helped drive criticism of The Last Jedi, really hitting American culture where it matters:


PS Mark Judge, the weird creepy failure who helped Brett Kavanaugh in his high-school rape attempts, wrote a pro-gamergate article for some Catholic website. I shouldnít even mention it, but whatever. The guy was like 50 and making youtube videos with nude 19-year-olds when he wrote this:

https://twitter.com/LasagnaGarden/s...0374840321?s=20

lol what a loving shock. christ the hosed up hard right is loving incestuous as all gently caress.


sexpig by night posted:

The problem is it still lives in the lib world where people actually give a poo poo about debate. It's the icon of 'well by YOUR logic' when really when you pull that the right just calls you a cuck jew or whatever.

Like, the entire first episode involves a right wing expert getting hired by Bartlet because she 'kicked Toby's rear end' in a morning show, and she takes the job because despite opposing everything about Bartlet she just loves her country so drat much. It then goes on to reveal the various admin members have such noble pet projects such as 'Toby wants to cut social security TO SAVE IT' and poo poo.

Plus it just writes people terribly, it's a non-political person writing politics. Remember when someone confronts a gay GOP member about being in a party that actively wants him to die, and he just says 'you hate guns right? Well what if all you gun haters joined the NRA instead of fighting it, then you can change it from within'. Like, that's not how any of this works, but Sorkin clearly knows nothing about it so he just imagined one day 51% of the GOP could be gays who were just waiting to say 'ACTUALLY mr party head, we want to vote to say we SHOULDN'T kill gays'.

The Chapo Trap House podcast did a good episode on it, and they summed it up really great. It's like porn. It's ok to watch it, it's ok to enjoy it, but you really shouldn't watch it and think 'yea, this is how it SHOULD be' because it's not healthy.

this. i second listening to the chapo episode. its good poo poo. i love their idea for a trump version of the show.

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