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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012






Dapper_Swindler posted:

lootboxes are poo poo. like i don't mind the poo poo that ubisoft does where its a digital cosmetic and weapons store that you can spend with your money because you know what your wasting your money on. if they want to drop free blind loot boxes for getting to higher levels or some poo poo, sure. but gently caress the blind bag poo poo.

Yeah the only somewhat lootbox-y thing that's okay is if it's something that's contained in-game and doesn't effect the gameplay like Super Smash Bros' trophy lottery/shop thing from Melee or Brawl and Xenoblade Chronicles has something like that for figurines of everyone and the soundtrack using Play Coins.

So basically my stance is that gambling in games is fine if the money comes from some kind of in game currency instead of real money.

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AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.




RareAcumen posted:

Yeah the only somewhat lootbox-y thing that's okay is if it's something that's contained in-game and doesn't effect the gameplay like Super Smash Bros' trophy lottery/shop thing from Melee or Brawl and Xenoblade Chronicles has something like that for figurines of everyone and the soundtrack using Play Coins.

So basically my stance is that gambling in games is fine if the money comes from some kind of in game currency instead of real money.

i was so happy the casino in dq11 was micro transaction free, that could have gone to a bad place real fast

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless


dudeness posted:

First they came for the lootboxes and I said nothing, then they came for the trading card blind packs and I said nothing, then they came for the L.O.L Surprise! boxes and I was like gently caress yea take those away, they're gross.

Oh no, not the fetish horse poop marketed to little girls!

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


We have an LOL dispenser display in our store and I hate it.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015



WampaLord posted:

He made a video saying that the royals bring in more money than they cost, therefore they are a net good for the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw

If your curious the "Royals bring in a lot of tourist money" is the second most common argument advanced by monarchists in the UK, the first is "Its Traditional!" appeals. The tourism argument was one manufactured by the Crown's PR department, they made the claims after they were criticised heavily on expenses. Republicans formerly requested to see the evidence they were using and the Crown just silently withdrew the claims from their websites. Of course by that point the original line had already been pushed by dozens of big media platforms for months.

Also whats really dodgy in the CPGray vid that Shaun doesn't touch upon is a weird bit where CGP Gray ridicules is the idea that the Monarchy can subvert democracy, even though that actually happened in Australia way back in the distant past of 1975, when the Governor General dismissed the Prime Minister. Most territories that still recognise the Crown have similar institutions with powers like that and the Royals are quite well known to hob knob with powerful autocrats and despots, so their remaining Constitutional powers can potentially be quite serious given an opportunity.

Fake Edit:

Here's a follow up to the vid about 90s cartoons and LGBTQ themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCyEG5pLzKk

Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Dec 2, 2018

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





Also Charles has been vocally disappointed that he can't take a more direct role in steering the country to where he thinks it should go, with his constant - and privileged - lobbying of politicians to push his agendas being well documented.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


Absurd Alhazred posted:

I feel like I stopped watching CGP Gray when he was covering something where I felt he wasn't actually presenting a full view of the issue including the controversies and criticisms within the discipline. Might have done something about Guns, Germs, and Steel?

CPGrey puts out great videos on border lines and voting systems and some mediocre to outright bad videos on other topics. I remember the one video he made that had an allegorical children's story style presentation where he made the concept of death into a dragon that humanity must defeat, if only we'd let our scientists do their work without holding them back! It was real dumb.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


SatansBestBuddy posted:

CPGrey puts out great videos on border lines and voting systems and some mediocre to outright bad videos on other topics. I remember the one video he made that had an allegorical children's story style presentation where he made the concept of death into a dragon that humanity must defeat, if only we'd let our scientists do their work without holding them back! It was real dumb.

LOL, bet that one was sponsored by Eliezer Yudkowsky.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011



Ghostlight posted:

Also Charles has been vocally disappointed that he can't take a more direct role in steering the country to where he thinks it should go, with his constant - and privileged - lobbying of politicians to push his agendas being well documented.

yea the 'but when would they ever influence things???' argument really aged badly as Charles more and more openly grumbles about not being allowed to directly just tell parliament what to do and having to suffer the indignity of lobbying reps.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Absurd Alhazred posted:

LOL, bet that one was sponsored by Eliezer Yudkowsky.

It feels like a million years since Iíve thought about Big Yud or moldbug or any of those chuckleheads. They seem almost quaint now that Iíve seen costumed fascists attacking people in the streets.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.


Really amazing to treat lootboxes like art.

Weird how indie joints arenít tossing predatory micro DLC into their games.

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015



Yud was a dark intellectual before they got popular.

Max Wilco
Jan 22, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Baka-nin posted:


Here's a follow up to the vid about 90s cartoons and LGBTQ themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCyEG5pLzKk

I just skipped ahead to the Robot Jones section (because, by some bizarre chance of coincidence, I was thinking about Whatever Happened to Robot Jones the other day), and while the analysis doesn't seem bad per se, it strikes me as something that doesn't necessarily feel appropriate. It's looking at the episode like, 'this episode tackles the themes of gender, what separates boys and girls, and the process of transitioning', but when you say it's 'tackling themes', I raise an eyebrow, because it feels like they're putting in a lot more thought than the creators did. I'm sure the rest of the video is fine, but that sort of felt like they were trying to make something more of a show that was mainly shooting for comedy rather than any kind of serious commentary.

Really, though, what haunted me for many years about Robot Jones was watched it one day, and heard Jones speak in a normal voice, when I recalled all of Jones' dialog being done with the old Macintosh text-to-speech voice.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.


Yeah, the episode was definitely more about ďstereotyping and gender tribalism makes no senseĒ as opposed to anything remotely about gender fluidity, but that whole episode is a follow-up to 90s shows and how they were supposedly pushing an lgbt agenda (spoiler: they werenít). From that perspective you can see why he included it, even if he read something that the writers VERY LIKELY did not intend.

FoldableHuman
Mar 26, 2017

I WILL CRY IRL TEARS IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE PODCAST OF A SEX PEST

Ghostlight posted:

Also Charles has been vocally disappointed that he can't take a more direct role in steering the country to where he thinks it should go, with his constant - and privileged - lobbying of politicians to push his agendas being well documented.

The whole "why would the Crown bother doing anything?!" thing really is tied up almost entirely in HRM being content to largely do nothing for the last half century.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!


Max Wilco posted:

I just skipped ahead to the Robot Jones section (because, by some bizarre chance of coincidence, I was thinking about Whatever Happened to Robot Jones the other day), and while the analysis doesn't seem bad per se, it strikes me as something that doesn't necessarily feel appropriate. It's looking at the episode like, 'this episode tackles the themes of gender, what separates boys and girls, and the process of transitioning', but when you say it's 'tackling themes', I raise an eyebrow, because it feels like they're putting in a lot more thought than the creators did. I'm sure the rest of the video is fine, but that sort of felt like they were trying to make something more of a show that was mainly shooting for comedy rather than any kind of serious commentary.

Really, though, what haunted me for many years about Robot Jones was watched it one day, and heard Jones speak in a normal voice, when I recalled all of Jones' dialog being done with the old Macintosh text-to-speech voice.

According to Wikipedia, Season 1 was redubbed tk have Season 2's human voice actor. So this isn't a Berenstain, you're right.

Microcline
Jul 27, 2012

For every
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an opportunity.



The funny thing about the whole trading card/loot box thing is that apart from Magic most card games these days are either a Living Card Game (LCG)-like format where every pack contains a specific set of cards or a straight-up board game where every player has access to the same cards.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Which games are you talking about? Netrunner, Domion, and L5R represent a large enough portion of card games, but hardly qualify as most. Pokemon, Force of Will, and Yu-gi-oh are all still TCGs, and represent a larger portion of the market than any of the LCGs.

Hungry
Jul 14, 2006



CGP Grey is a bootlicking monarchist? Shame.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


Hungry posted:

CGP Grey is a bootlicking monarchist? Shame.

not outright, more like the current system isn't demoniacally evil and doesn't harm anybody directly so whatever, let'em call themselves royalty while democracy does the real work.

Microcline
Jul 27, 2012

For every
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Terrible Opinions posted:

Which games are you talking about? Netrunner, Domion, and L5R represent a large enough portion of card games, but hardly qualify as most. Pokemon, Force of Will, and Yu-gi-oh are all still TCGs, and represent a larger portion of the market than any of the LCGs.

I should probably have said "most new card games" or included Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh with Magic. That said I'd guess that the non-viability of new collectable card games comes more from competition from online games than the growth of less exploitative alternatives.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006



The whole "Hey, maybe we should be a bit more critical about this very old thing we have" thing at least has enough polish out in the anglosphere, while merely just going "Hey our Age Of Discoveries also has a shitload of death from our hands, maybe we could change a bit to our museum of discoveries" means that the general response from the intelligencia doesn't even have the pretend decorum of even a facebook post saying that acknowledging what Columbus did means Anti-Italian racism is on the rise but actual phrenology and "If we did that the not-murdered indigenous people wouldn't be able to amuse themselves in Lisbon and thus that's why Columbus Day is good" being treated as an intellectual argument and not a word vomit you're supposed to publish for the sake of "intelectual diversity". Christ.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


Microcline posted:

I should probably have said "most new card games" or included Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh with Magic. That said I'd guess that the non-viability of new collectable card games comes more from competition from online games than the growth of less exploitative alternatives.

The non-viability of new collectable card games comes from one simple phrase that kills each and every one of them stone dead; "Oh, it's like Magic/Pokemon".

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


I'm okay with monarchy as long as it denies racist right-wingers and hypocritical liberals from occupying the equivalent position. I'd probably feel differently if I lived in a country with the imperial past of the UK, but we sort of voted for our royal family back in the day and they truly are the lesser evil at this point. They can go when the revolution comes.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010




Biomute posted:

I'm okay with monarchy as long as it denies racist right-wingers and hypocritical liberals from occupying the equivalent position

It doesn't

Hungry
Jul 14, 2006



The only good thing about the British monarchy is that the time we established a new state by murdering them.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008

I'll see you in the dome





An important thing to remember about the British Royals is that they basically did a full rebrand post-Diana to be the fun, lovable Royal Celebrities that people all around the world love to love - so it's natural and okay that they're powerful and rich, and the idea of a serious republican movement against them is as silly as the idea of a republican movement aimed at deposing Kim Kardashian.

Liz pioneered it and William and Harry have never really known otherwise, but Charles may yet completely gently caress it up for them because he probably seriously considers himself genetically suited to rule.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011



josh04 posted:

An important thing to remember about the British Royals is that they basically did a full rebrand post-Diana to be the fun, lovable Royal Celebrities that people all around the world love to love - so it's natural and okay that they're powerful and rich, and the idea of a serious republican movement against them is as silly as the idea of a republican movement aimed at deposing Kim Kardashian.

Liz pioneered it and William and Harry have never really known otherwise, but Charles may yet completely gently caress it up for them because he probably seriously considers himself genetically suited to rule.

yea those ghouls rode her corpse into mainstream rebranding while pretending they didn't hate her guts, but Charles still hilariously thinks his Habsburg rear end has genes blessed by god himself and is getting angrier and angrier that the rebrand turned them into just reality stars on welfare.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012


Terrible Opinions posted:

Which games are you talking about? Netrunner, Domion, and L5R represent a large enough portion of card games, but hardly qualify as most. Pokemon, Force of Will, and Yu-gi-oh are all still TCGs, and represent a larger portion of the market than any of the LCGs.

Yeah, true. I like the LCG model a lot, as igt trades the "make them buy boosters until they get the cards they want" for a fixed "Here, everyone pays for the whole set" approach.

Even TCGs still have physical products that you can actually trade, though which is a small differential. As far as I know, most PC games don't let you trade lootbox content, so your only option is to buy another and try again. Well, Counterstrike has that awful auction House....

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011



Sephyr posted:

Yeah, true. I like the LCG model a lot, as igt trades the "make them buy boosters until they get the cards they want" for a fixed "Here, everyone pays for the whole set" approach.

Even TCGs still have physical products that you can actually trade, though which is a small differential. As far as I know, most PC games don't let you trade lootbox content, so your only option is to buy another and try again. Well, Counterstrike has that awful auction House....

I think if there is meaningful action taking the inability to trade is gonna be the big demarcation between a 'lootbox' and other things like a booster pack. You can get hosed by randomness in a magic pack, sure, but you can also say 'hey anyone wanna trade cards' and mitigate that

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.


sexpig by night posted:

yea those ghouls rode her corpse into mainstream rebranding while pretending they didn't hate her guts, but Charles still hilariously thinks his Habsburg rear end has genes blessed by god himself and is getting angrier and angrier that the rebrand turned them into just reality stars on welfare.

Didnít Charles abuse the gently caress out of Diana in life, too the point that she ended up in the situation that killed her? Anyway, I feel like if Charles tries to pull that poo poo, it would explode in his face.

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011



Dapper_Swindler posted:

Didnít Charles abuse the gently caress out of Diana in life, too the point that she ended up in the situation that killed her? Anyway, I feel like if Charles tries to pull that poo poo, it would explode in his face.

If not Charles the other Royals hated her guts and wanted her gone (not killed) for years.

Hbomberguy
Jul 4, 2009

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Yikes.

I feel like I stopped watching CGP Gray when he was covering something where I felt he wasn't actually presenting a full view of the issue including the controversies and criticisms within the discipline. Might have done something about Guns, Germs, and Steel?

What is the controversy around that book? I never read it but I experienced a point in my life where lots of people who seemed to think they were smart said it was good

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



Hbomberguy posted:

What is the controversy around that book? I never read it but I experienced a point in my life where lots of people who seemed to think they were smart said it was good

From what I've read, the author is fairly accurate in his recounting of things that happened, but then makes a giant stretch in saying that these things were destined to happen because of immutable factors like location, implying that everyone involved in things like colonization and massacres had no choice in the matter.

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.


Quinton Reviews looks at a curious little corner of the Doctor Who wilderness years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acI7DRYFUPk

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011



Puppy Time posted:

From what I've read, the author is fairly accurate in his recounting of things that happened, but then makes a giant stretch in saying that these things were destined to happen because of immutable factors like location, implying that everyone involved in things like colonization and massacres had no choice in the matter.

yea he doesn't gently caress up that much facts and all but he takes those facts and weirdly goes 'so I guess such things are inevitable' which completely absolves the colonists of any agency.

Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired


Hbomberguy posted:

What is the controversy around that book? I never read it but I experienced a point in my life where lots of people who seemed to think they were smart said it was good

/r/BadHistory has a dedicated wiki entry for it: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory...teel_breakdowns

The main thrust is that, while an entertaining introductory book that gets some facts right, it's still a kind of "pop-history" book. Diamond studied as an anthropologist, not a historian, and he has been criticized for sloppy sourcing and holding up far-reaching conclusions as universal truths despite there being more than enough evidence to suggest some of his conclusions only hold true in specific contexts. Admittedly most of the negativity I've heard about it is from the AH and BH crowd on Reddit, where it has become something of a popular object of derision.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.




Hbomberguy posted:

What is the controversy around that book? I never read it but I experienced a point in my life where lots of people who seemed to think they were smart said it was good

having read just it this summer, i couldn't say, exactly? like, i'd maybe say it was getting a little dated, but it's a now 20 year old book in a pretty contentious field, so that wasn't surprising or like, alarming to me. a lot of more recent lit that i was reading referred back to it a lot though, (not always to agree!) so it seemed worth checking up on.

Puppy Time posted:

From what I've read, the author is fairly accurate in his recounting of things that happened, but then makes a giant stretch in saying that these things were destined to happen because of immutable factors like location, implying that everyone involved in things like colonization and massacres had no choice in the matter.

i don't remember that conclusion! if that's true, i must have missed something pretty big. I don't have the book with me any more to review but i never got the impression that he was absolving anyone of the sins of colonization. one of the main through lines of his argument is rebuffing the idea there was anything inherently better about europeans.

edit:

this is cool, thanks

AriadneThread fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 2, 2018

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





Having read it, it's a beautiful theory but to be so it has to pull so far back out from the stage of history that everything mechanistically follows the one quirk of history that Europeans had a good climate. It also very broadly defines Europeans to effectively be retroactively the dominant Western powers that gave rise to the Colonial powers, completely bypassing the problem that its central premise somehow doesn't apply evenly to the European nations. Climate flows into farming flows into power flows into empire, but it elides assigning any particular reason to why particular empires rose over others in their area because the theory can't privilege any European power above its natural climate and its farming techniques. The Roman Empire rose because they had a nice climate that meant they could support a larger populace with farming for more leisure and war, and that enabled them to assemble their empire - but the Greeks had it too, and spent their time not assembling an empire, the various tribes of Northern Europe similarly failed to assemble. China and Mexico assembled their own empires but the theory can't account for those because its mechanistic view of colonial history as having flowed from climate to farming to power requires Europe to have been the premier in all of those - Europeans conquered the Mexicans because they had guns, they had guns because they had empire longer, they had empire longer because the climate was better suited for human habitation - but why didn't China conquer Europe? Why did the Roman Empire collapse? Did the climate change? Did farming fail? How did Egypt build an empire without a European climate?

It's like a photo-collage Mona Lisa. It's a nice piece of art, but if you zoom in on certain quadrants there's pictures of someone's arse because it was the right shade of tan.

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John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I have special eyes.

Just think of all the cool stuff I can see.


RareAcumen posted:

Yeah the only somewhat lootbox-y thing that's okay is if it's something that's contained in-game and doesn't effect the gameplay like Super Smash Bros' trophy lottery/shop thing from Melee or Brawl and Xenoblade Chronicles has something like that for figurines of everyone and the soundtrack using Play Coins.

So basically my stance is that gambling in games is fine if the money comes from some kind of in game currency instead of real money.

Those still bug me, because they're usually tedious to interact with, but they're in a whole different "this is questionable game design" space instead of "this is abusive bullshit explicitly designed to rake in the $$$".

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