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Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I want to know (I actually don’t) what fanfiction people think of the prospect of the application of deep fakes technology to their hobby. Will it be seen as artless degeneracy, or just the next logical step?

Fanfiction is for fun.
When computers can write they won't really affect fic communities but they probably be writing mainstream blion dollar popcorn films

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DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!





gently caress yes

Siselmo
Jun 16, 2013

hey there


Ada posted:

Is fanfiction . net's userbase aging or is there a reasonable influx of new users and outflux of the old? I'm sure there are people who have been posting on the site for ages and never left, but has there been an uptick in more adult themes as the authors have grown and never left (and presumably improved), or is it pretty much the same as it's always been as a relatively safe space to publicly explore creative writing? I have no personal interest in the site anymore but I am interested in how it's used these days.

It's a bit of everything, I think? I've been in the fanfiction hellhole since 2005 (holy poo poo I was 12), and some of it is people growing up and wanting to explore more (I'm 26, and I recently checked an old .txt I saved with links of fics I liked back when I was 14. I can't stand most of them anymore),. Tbh most people have moved on to AO3 at this point because it is has a much better search engine plus tags, and the attitude there is 'write whatever the gently caress you want just tag it appropriately', unlike FF.net where technically you can't put adult content in there (adult content existed before, you just had to actively look for it in LiveJournal or dedicated fandom fanpages). While a decent amount of ppl just post their stuff on both, what I've seen more is that the people that still use it are preteens or people in relatively older fandoms who remain there because that's where most fics of their fandoms are located (for example, compare the amount of FFVII fics in both FF.net and AO3 to a newer game like Overwatch).

From my experience, while drama still exists, fanfiction has become noticeably more chill over the years. Some of what I think are the factors of it are
a) Older fans growing up and the stories they write growing up as well.
b) Believe it or not, writing standards have increased.
c) Despite what point B implies, there's been a growing trend of 'gently caress it, write whatever you want,'.
d) People are re examining things that were considered worth of mockery before, like Mary Sues, female character bashing, and shipping wars (to an extent), which removes a lot of hostility.
f) If you don't feel like spending an afternoon searching, you can just google search '[Thing you like] fic recs' and that gives you a headstart, or just ask on a fandom discord.

(that said, coffeeshop and tattoo artist AUs are becoming the new high school AUs and most of them kinda samey :/)

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011





And the nominees for the pulitzer are:
-nerd culture 1h50m long video essay about star wars
-harry potter fanfiction where harry blows the minds of everyone with the power of motherfucking science and a 12 inch dick
-the dril corn tweet (xD)
-iron man 7

Hungry
Jul 14, 2006




Also.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015

BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS





ArfJason posted:

And the nominees for the pulitzer are:
-nerd culture 1h50m long video essay about star wars
-harry potter fanfiction where harry blows the minds of everyone with the power of motherfucking science and a 12 inch dick
-the dril corn tweet (xD)
-iron man 7

Hugo Award for Best Related Work
Awarded for:
The best work related to the field of science fiction, fantasy, or fandom, published in the prior calendar year and which is either non-fiction or noteworthy primarily for aspects other than the fictional text

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006




We Are Number One But Every Time They Say One A Landlord Is Butchered

Hungry
Jul 14, 2006



Also fanfiction as a cultural phenomenon is absolutely fascinating and I wish there was more study of it.

Siselmo
Jun 16, 2013

hey there


Hungry posted:

Also fanfiction as a cultural phenomenon is absolutely fascinating and I wish there was more study of it.

Same! I've always found it fascinating as a cultural phenomenon. Also, I've studied languages a bit and I find fascinating how slang and jargon in fanfiction/fandoms has changed (the infamous lemon terminology, for example). I've been tempted to make concordances and the like with fanfiction via AntConc or something of the sort.

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007



Isn't the best fanfiction the one where Jesus is in space?

Also lol, freaking Brittany Venti. It's ridiculous how she talks about freaking Benito Mussolini as potentially being "grandpoppy" when Alessandro Mussolini was born...*checks watch* SEVENTEEN years after Benito Mussolini died. Like, I don't think she was at grandpoppy's lap hearing stories about the glory days of Il Duce.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

I think this is a pretty good draft class overall. It's really shaping up that way because of the water types.


Hungry posted:

Also fanfiction as a cultural phenomenon is absolutely fascinating and I wish there was more study of it.

I mean, its not really a cultural phenomenon as much as its a result of very modern ideas of "ownership" when it comes to ideas. People making their own stories with popular characters has always been with us, its just this idea of "official" and "unofficial" fiction that is new.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011





Mel Mudkiper posted:

I mean, its not really a cultural phenomenon as much as its a result of very modern ideas of "ownership" when it comes to ideas. People making their own stories with popular characters has always been with us, its just this idea of "official" and "unofficial" fiction that is new.

werent shakespeare's or conan doyle's stories notoriously fanfic'd

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

I think this is a pretty good draft class overall. It's really shaping up that way because of the water types.


ArfJason posted:

werent shakespeare's or conan doyle's stories notoriously fanfic'd

Shakespeare's poo poo is hilarious because there was zero intellectual property laws period.

dudes used to sit in the pits in front of the stage and write the dialog as actor's spoke it and sell copies. I mean, Shakespeare's works are all derivative of others works in the first place on top of that.

Ada
Apr 22, 2014

Practice proper gun's safety.


Hungry posted:

Also fanfiction as a cultural phenomenon is absolutely fascinating and I wish there was more study of it.

I'd love to see more video essays that explore internet subcultures, their growth and change, what created and killed them, ect. Quinton's Fallen Titan series comes close, but his early episodes were focused on individuals and the show has pivoted to be more about Youtube trends than general internet things. Down the Rabbit Hole has done a few.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Mel Mudkiper posted:

Shakespeare's poo poo is hilarious because there was zero intellectual property laws period.

dudes used to sit in the pits in front of the stage and write the dialog as actor's spoke it and sell copies. I mean, Shakespeare's works are all derivative of others works in the first place on top of that.
Notably Othello was based off a much much more racist Italian story.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


There were also several Hamlets prior to Shakespeare's version.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Just watched Hbombís Transformers video and thought I would like the greatest derivative work born of the transformers movie, which probably should have won a hugo in whatever year it was made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHGlWZjDLs

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."


Schwarzwald posted:

There were also several Hamlets prior to Shakespeare's version.

Same for Romeo and Juliet and (to a lesser extent) for Merchant of Venice.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I want to know (I actually donít) what fanfiction people think of the prospect of the application of deep fakes technology to their hobby. Will it be seen as artless degeneracy, or just the next logical step?

Generally speaking, even though a lot of fanfic is porn*, fanficcers (at least the ones on AO3) aren't especially interested in visual porn. So probably they don't think much of it because the images aren't as important as the action and concepts, which you're unlikely to find in deep fake porn. It's not just that these actors/characters are fuckin', it's what they're doing and saying surrounding the fuckin', and how the fuckin' makes them feel, and stuff like that.

*People never pay much attention to the rather healthy non-porn and non-romantic sides of fanfic, mainly because it's not as funny.


ArfJason posted:

werent shakespeare's or conan doyle's stories notoriously fanfic'd

I mean, in Shakespeare's time fanfic was basically "normal writing." The idea of proprietary stories is extremely recent and nothing like the way humans told stories for the majority of history. It's a lot more natural to come up with stories based on preexisting characters and narratives than it is to come up with something mostly original.

It's hard to say how much of the fiction of that time was based on getting characters to gently caress, though that's hardly a new thing, either. Humans love fuckin'.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


I think Snorri Sturluson started the trend of inventing stories where established characters gently caress or pronounce specific fetishes.

MechanicalTomPetty
Oct 30, 2011

Runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me


Puppy Time posted:

It's hard to say how much of the fiction of that time was based on getting characters to gently caress, though that's hardly a new thing, either. Humans love fuckin'.

Jesus didn't gently caress.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007




MechanicalTomPetty posted:

Jesus didn't gently caress.

But in my fanfic....

dancingbears
May 10, 2011

You're an idiot,
so start acting
like one.



MechanicalTomPetty posted:

Jesus didn't gently caress.

I started listening to the Apocrypals podcast recently and I am thrilled to tell you that, according to Biblical Canon research, We Don't Know If Jesus Fucks.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





if jesus doesn't gently caress then explain the merovingian dynasty

Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!


I cannot read "Benito Mussolini" without immediately thinking the words "And the blue meanie" and I hate that.

Who do I file a complaint to about this?

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007




Viewtiful Jew posted:

I cannot read "Benito Mussolini" without immediately thinking the words "And the blue meanie" and I hate that.

Who do I file a complaint to about this?

O dammit. Its stuck in my head now.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Robocop, Terminator, Captain Kirk and Darth Vader.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013



Viewtiful Jew posted:

I cannot read "Benito Mussolini" without immediately thinking the words "And the blue meanie" and I hate that.

Who do I file a complaint to about this?

to

Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie....

Arcsquad12 posted:

Robocop, Terminator, Captain Kirk and Darth Vader.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012






Viewtiful Jew posted:

I cannot read "Benito Mussolini" without immediately thinking the words "And the blue meanie" and I hate that.

Who do I file a complaint to about this?

Welcome to the Tensaiverse, team up with me so we can kill God and start putting in some bugfixes to humanity. Personally, I'm gonna add the ability to delet this to people so yeah, you can in fact stop remembering that song that's stuck in your head for 14 years and instead actually know phone numbers by memory.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


Viewtiful Jew posted:

I cannot read "Benito Mussolini" without immediately thinking the words "And the blue meanie" and I hate that.

Who do I file a complaint to about this?

MacheteZombie posted:

O dammit. Its stuck in my head now.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Robocop, Terminator, Captain Kirk and Darth Vader.

I hate you all for putting that song back in my head, and can't wait until Mr Rogers rightfully strikes you all down .

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007

Donncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Donncha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?



Well, I can't say that's a pairing I ever envisioned.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

lopan, superman, every single power ranger

x1o
Aug 5, 2005

My focus is UNPARALLELED!


Bill S Preston, and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan.

Paladin
Nov 26, 2004
You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.




Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I want to know (I actually donít) what fanfiction people think of the prospect of the application of deep fakes technology to their hobby. Will it be seen as artless degeneracy, or just the next logical step?

When I learned about deep fakes I wanted to make trailers for movies I've joked about for years into a reality, starting with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby 'Road' movies set in various US foreign policy fuckups of the era.

I'm waiting for it to get refined a bit more first and also for there to be tutorials that don't creep me out. There is so much weird art to be created and hopefully there will be more of that as people start to look beyond the porn.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012






Colors weave into a spire of flame
Distant sparks call to a past still unnamed
Bear this torch against the cold of the night
Search your soul and reawaken the undying liiiiiiight

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010





TheHeadSage posted:

Bill S Preston, and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan.

this was always my favorite bit

also gently caress all of you for getting it stuck in my head again

Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired


What if God had a plan for all of us but by rejecting him and learning to love ourselves we're writing fanfics of ourselves.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011





For some reason i keep getting rec'd Destiny videos and he has debates with like sargon of akkad, the guy who used to work with maddox and now apparently that anime guy digibro.

Why does he debate these people? What prompts him to do this to himself?

CYBEReris
Dec 15, 2007



ArfJason posted:

For some reason i keep getting rec'd Destiny videos and he has debates with like sargon of akkad, the guy who used to work with maddox and now apparently that anime guy digibro.

Why does he debate these people? What prompts him to do this to himself?

afaict he's just a dunk addict

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Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired


ArfJason posted:

For some reason i keep getting rec'd Destiny videos and he has debates with like sargon of akkad, the guy who used to work with maddox and now apparently that anime guy digibro.

Why does he debate these people? What prompts him to do this to himself?

They are often too stupid to properly defend themselves so it makes for entertaining internet bloodsport.
And he does debate other people, but the chud debates and internet drama gets the most engagement and therefore the most recommends.

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