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Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Thereís nothing more to say about it, but I am getting tired of their refusal to take responsibility for the gaps in their analysis that reactionaries seem to like living in. Thereís not really a time for being coy, and itís definitely not appropriate for 2019.

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Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway


I don't really trust the idea that leftists should never talk about certain topics because an alt-righter might latch on to it because to me alt-righters are basically stupid little children. It's like saying we should censor all sex from books and movies because a kid might see or read something. You can't stop them, they're dumb as gently caress and they'll poo poo everywhere no matter what. The entire idea that you should never talk about certain topics because they're now alt-right topics - which grows every day - strikes me as passivity and defeatism, and I have not seen it accomplish anything.

Like look at Contrapoints, she's getting people to listen to left ideas when they otherwise would not but even she gets the constant "crypto-fash" label because she sometimes considers why people might think the way they do or has experiences that aren't 100% positive or goes on chapo or whatever. On the topics of criticizing the games industry or anime industry from the left, you just have Jim Sterling... there's two trans anime reviewers who have criticised crunchyroll. That's kind of all I know of.

If someone is thinking about the topic of representation in movies and why it does not feel satisfying and go to youtube about it, I'd much rather they get "yeah, it felt like this time it was just to make money, could've been better" than an actual alt-righter, that's just my opinion.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

Hemingway To Go! posted:

I don't really trust the idea that leftists should never talk about certain topics because an alt-righter might latch on to it because to me alt-righters are basically stupid little children. It's like saying we should censor all sex from books and movies because a kid might see or read something. You can't stop them, they're dumb as gently caress and they'll poo poo everywhere no matter what. The entire idea that you should never talk about certain topics because they're now alt-right topics - which grows every day - strikes me as passivity and defeatism, and I have not seen it accomplish anything.

Like look at Contrapoints, she's getting people to listen to left ideas when they otherwise would not but even she gets the constant "crypto-fash" label because she sometimes considers why people might think the way they do or has experiences that aren't 100% positive or goes on chapo or whatever. On the topics of criticizing the games industry or anime industry from the left, you just have Jim Sterling... there's two trans anime reviewers who have criticised crunchyroll. That's kind of all I know of.
If someone is thinking about the topic of representation in movies and why it does not feel satisfying and go to youtube about it, I'd much rather they get "yeah, it felt like this time it was just to make money, could've been better" than an actual alt-righter, that's just my opinion.

Leftist talking about those nuances and issues, from an explicit leftist perspective, is good! But when milquetoast, noncommital liberals like RLM talk about those issues they don't make the vital vocal & material commitments to antiracism that drive away (or change the minds of) racists. Instead, their commentary leaves room for racists and fascists to hide.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway


I'm kind of on edge because of a leftuber harassment case that has been on my mind. I can live with rlm being just controversial I guess. The way I read the ink blot of their opinions, having watched their content over the years, is anticorperatism but in drunk Midwestern slob language rather than breadtube language and I think that can reach people. Theyve actually praised representation a lot but I don't think it matters in this case.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

D U S T M A N


mike stoklasa go on street fight

Asuron
Nov 27, 2012


Hemingway To Go! posted:

I'm kind of on edge because of a leftuber harassment case that has been on my mind. I can live with rlm being just controversial I guess. The way I read the ink blot of their opinions, having watched their content over the years, is anticorperatism but in drunk Midwestern slob language rather than breadtube language and I think that can reach people. Theyve actually praised representation a lot but I don't think it matters in this case.

They actually have at that. They sold me on Annihilation when they talked about how well the women in it were represented in that movie.

Theyíve been anti corporate since inception and in their last Half in the Bag video for Captain Marvel they were even making fun of those alt right youtubers. It just feels really silly for someone to accuse them of being racists/alt right because they didnít talk about a topic in a certain way or because they think that gives the alt right a place to hide. The truth is theyíll do that with just about any content we consume, itís not avoidable.

Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired


TBH the entire attitude of "If you're not explicitly and loudly anti-thing that means you're implicitly pro-thing" is very tiring.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Thereís nothing more to say about it, but I am getting tired of their refusal to take responsibility for the gaps in their analysis that reactionaries seem to like living in. Thereís not really a time for being coy, and itís definitely not appropriate for 2019.

I mean, at what point does people not understanding a joke become the comic's thing to 'take responsibility' for? Like, the entire joke of that 'finally a hero for white kids' bit was the multicultural foster home does literally nothing but exist as a prop, the kids there are never used for anything but a nice image which is at it's core what most of this 'finally a movie with a wealthy attractive white woman in the lead' kind of hype is treated like by the people doing it. They don't actually give a poo poo, they want the nice poster shot of a conventionally attractive white woman doing an action pose, and the director didn't give a poo poo about the multicultural foster kids, they just want the nice poster shot of our hero having a diverse group of people he is in the same room as some times.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



poparena posted:

New Nick Knacks for ya' on Mr. Wizard's World, an 80s revival of a 50s childrens science show that inspired both Bill Nye and Beakman's World.

Youíve probably already seen this, but it remains my favorite ever supercut, maybe highlighting the ambivalence of Herbertís that you point out in the end. The guy was such a trailblazer that I can even see design influence in Mr. Rogersí house with the choice to have sets of a regular house, but they canít all be Mr. Rogers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkJEt1UsUcs

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


The only thing more tiring than RLM chat is people complaining about complaining about RLM chat. So I'll shut up.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Arcsquad12 posted:

The only thing more tiring than RLM chat is people complaining about complaining about RLM chat. So I'll shut up.

Is Red Letter Media replacing Star Wars?

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


nine-gear crow posted:

Is Red Letter Media replacing Star Wars?

Is Rich Evans replacing Mike Stoklasa?

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010




Arcsquad12 posted:

Is Rich Evans replacing Mike Stoklasa?

Is Mike Stoklasa replacing the Plinketto board?

Inco
Apr 3, 2009

I have been working out! My modem is broken and my phone eats half the posts I try to make, including all the posts I've tried to make here. I'll try this one more time.

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Is Mike Stoklasa replacing the Plinketto board?

It's not funny. Stop.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Beaten like a dead horse

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010




Arcsquad12 posted:

Beaten like a dead horse

Didn't you literally start it?

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012






RLM conversations are CANCLED

Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

Computer take me to world building discourse for anything besides Star Wars, Marvel or Harry Potter. I'll take anything you got.

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...328007357358081

Computer wait no.

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...371825016348672

COMPUTER NO!

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...381123318599680

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!



Hahah it's like someone said "wow this quite the derail" and you said "hold my beer"

Roth
Jul 9, 2016



I vote that nobody may complain about Star Wars derails in here ever again that post.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

I was about to ask what that was about, but I really don't want to know

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



Stars Wars chat is tiring, Red Letter Media is boring and Sonic The Hedgehog is the One True God.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

If you LP what I LP
And if you work retail like I work retail
You would also scream like I scream


This page is aiiiiiiiiiiides

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




TheMaestroso posted:

I was about to ask what that was about, but I really don't want to know

In the late 90s/early 00s the Archie Sonic comics started out being a loose adaptation and continuation of the Sonic SatAM TV series and then went into batshit insane territory thanks to Ken Penders, who was so weird and crazy that he got fired, sued Archie for the IP rights to all the characters he'd created for the comic over his tenure there, actually won, and Archie had do a whole story arc where literally half the cast was wiped out of existence Infinity War style.

The Sonic comic has since rebooted and is in the competent and not-insane hands of Ian Flynn now, and Penders has since become the equally creepy and sad left wing version of Ethan Van Sciver, a formerly respected comic book creator who's now a twitter weirdo because they got themselves blackballed from the entire industry for being a crazydoodle.

There, that's everything you didn't want to know about Ken Penders.

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Apr 8, 2019

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Didn't you literally start it?

I did. But he beat me to the punchline.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything




Fun Shoe

And then it was cancelled completely in 2017.

https://kotaku.com/saying-farewell-...-hed-1797191658

Edit: NVM. Ian took over after IDW rebooted the entire thing to be a follow up on Sonic Forces.

Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 8, 2019

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh

Fun Shoe

So what I'm hearing is that we should do deep dives into Ken Penders and his awful comics?



oh



oh god



I'VE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007



Oh jeez, Ken Penders...Real good talk in this page

I don't have a lot to add to anything here really but I did release a video on something fairly obscure that people seem to be digging, so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGMxh5lUMTA

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010




I almost want to see someone do a series breaking down all the crazy poo poo in Ken Penders Sonic stuff, but at the same time I kinda fear that route.

Plus, I can't really think of anyone interesting enough to make it entertaining.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Mokinokaro posted:

And then it was cancelled completely in 2017.

https://kotaku.com/saying-farewell-...-hed-1797191658

Edit: NVM. Ian took over after IDW rebooted the entire thing to be a follow up on Sonic Forces.

Yeah, all the staff who were at Archie at the end of their Sonic comic run rolled over to IDW when it picked up the series. IDW's Sonic is a complete clean break from Archie's focusing on only the currently existing characters from the video games with a couple new characters created specifically for the IDW series. The old SatAM crew (Sally, Antoine, Bunny, Rotor and Nicole) were left in the dust back at Archie for better or worse, again largely to avoid another Penders situation.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007




Fallen Rib

Ken Penders once opened a comic with Martin Niemöller's poem about the Holocaust ("First they came for the socialists..." etc) except he made it about echidna being racist against the other animals when Dr Robotnik took over.


AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016



YggiDee posted:

Ken Penders once opened a comic with Martin Niemöller's poem about the Holocaust ("First they came for the socialists..." etc) except he made it about echidna being racist against the other animals when Dr Robotnik took over.




Weird thing about that poem, It originally said "First they came for the communists..." but the US government changed it to socialists when they used it for the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015



All I know about the Sonic comic based off that old cartoon was that nerds seemed to rave about how it dark and clever it was, with 1984 style shenanigans, is that this one, Or some other comic run?

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



I fukken loved Ken Penders's Sonic stuff as a kid so this is like watching my childhood shrivel into a disgusting moldy husk.

Edit:

Baka-nin posted:

All I know about the Sonic comic based off that old cartoon was that nerds seemed to rave about how it dark and clever it was, with 1984 style shenanigans, is that this one, Or some other comic run?

It wasn't 1984 or especially clever, just different and dark for the time, when there weren't a whole lot of kids properties willing to get into darker (for kids) territory.

The premise was that Robotnik had taken over most of the world with his mechanical horror pollution robots, and captured the conquered population and turned them into robots with Science, overwriting their minds and personalities to become slaves, except there was a vestige of the original mind in there, so the people were kind of aware in some way of what happened to them.

And the main characters were a bunch of kids who'd escaped the takeover and were fighting Robotnik guerilla style, while occasionally encountering former loved ones who were now evil robots.

If you were ten and your alternatives were mostly Looney Tunes and Disney stuff, it was pretty awesome. Nowadays, there's more options, so it's not as clear how refreshing it was. (Kind of like how, post-Dark Age, Watchmen isn't as transcendent. Not that the two are especially comparable beyond relative darkness against their contemporaries.)

Puppy Time fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Apr 9, 2019

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017





nine-gear crow posted:

In the late 90s/early 00s the Archie Sonic comics started out being a loose adaptation and continuation of the Sonic SatAM TV series and then went into batshit insane territory thanks to Ken Penders, who was so weird and crazy that he got fired, sued Archie for the IP rights to all the characters he'd created for the comic over his tenure there, actually won, and Archie had do a whole story arc where literally half the cast was wiped out of existence Infinity War style.

The Sonic comic has since rebooted and is in the competent and not-insane hands of Ian Flynn now, and Penders has since become the equally creepy and sad left wing version of Ethan Van Sciver, a formerly respected comic book creator who's now a twitter weirdo because they got themselves blackballed from the entire industry for being a crazydoodle.

There, that's everything you didn't want to know about Ken Penders.

Working at the comic store Sonic back issues would come through only rarely, and never in runs, so every issue I flipped through seemed like some bizarre fever dream of the fun little platformer where you ran fast and caught rings.

Max Wilco
Jan 22, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Alacron posted:


I'VE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE

"Same Diva-isnous" ? Even in the field of poor attempts of converting nouns into adjectives, that's really bad.

Also, AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!



On to actual content, I though I'd share this channel I've seen popping up in my recommendations: Snipe and Wib. They seem to do mostly off-the-cuff stuff, but they also do scripted reviews (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?li...0W9XqT0gUoJpFVD)

They cover a lot of Warhammer 40K stuff. I watched their review of the Ultramarines movie, which seemed fine.It seems like there most recent series of videos on 40K covers the old codices and publication: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?li...tev-ouOz3gxgU_v

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Snipe and Wib are fun. There's also Zoran the Bear who rambles a out 40k and does the voice of Leman Russ on Text-To-Speech Emperor and he manages to not be an alt-right jackass like Arch Warhammer.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




Qanon Anonymous just went from Ninja Fortnite to The Jewish Question on youtube in three clicks on a fresh account.

We need mroe Contrapoints and Shaun and more.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!


Viewtiful Jew posted:

Computer take me to world building discourse for anything besides Star Wars, Marvel or Harry Potter. I'll take anything you got.

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...328007357358081

Computer wait no.

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...371825016348672

COMPUTER NO!

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...381123318599680

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/stat...405158605709312

lmao jesus christ ken

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Max Wilco
Jan 22, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Arcsquad12 posted:

Snipe and Wib are fun. There's also Zoran the Bear who rambles a out 40k and does the voice of Leman Russ on Text-To-Speech Emperor and he manages to not be an alt-right jackass like Arch Warhammer.

"Have you no wolves?"

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