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General Dog posted:Rey’s desire to know who her parents were, and in turn who she was, was so great that she never got around to asking Unkar Plut what their names were. "Did ask for a name before they took off but all they said was 'Papa Sheev didn't raise no fool.' No idea what that meant."
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2house2fly posted:Episode 8 had Rey's entire plot be about her character flaws almost getting her killed, yet she was still a Mary Sue after people watched her getting mindraped by the emperor and got mad that the character wasn't experiencing any hardship. Her stupid plan ends with the assassination of the enemy's leader and his replacement by an unstable man-child, and then she swoops in at the end of the movie to save the other main characters. It's not that Rey doesn’t get hurt, or that she doesn’t have difficulties in a fight. It's that no matter what she does, circumstances conspire to make her “failures” work out anyway. Does her desire to cling to her past on Jakku stop her from stepping up when it's necessary in TFA? No, because a string of events whisks her along from plot point to plot point without any input from her. Does her hotheadedness and her naïveté about Ben Solo cost her dearly in TLJ? Nope, and in fact she inspires cynical old Luke to believe in the Jedi again.
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Jun 15, 2020 00:54
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2house2fly posted:A whole lot of people's approach to media criticism in general seems to be thinking "I liked/didn't like that hmm I wonder why" and then finding a youtube video with buzzwords like "show don't tell" and "retro aesthetic" and deciding that must be why. Episode 8 had Rey's entire plot be about her character flaws almost getting her killed, yet she was still a Mary Sue after people watched her getting mindraped by the emperor and got mad that the character wasn't experiencing any hardship. Rey’s flaw is... what, believing in the innate goodness of others too much? Susceptibility to brief fits of anger (when she learns Luke is personally responsible for the rise of the First Order)? Haunted by her failure to learn her own last name before reaching age 7?
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Jun 15, 2020 01:05
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Characters having extremely strong feelings about objects/people/concepts they paradoxically seem to know nothing about and show no interest in learning about is a powerful sequel motif. Rey w/ her parents, luke with the sacred jedi sexts, everyone in the resistance with the republic, all the principals and the millennium falcon, etc etc
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Jun 15, 2020 01:17
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Rey is cool thanks to Daisy Ridley.
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Jun 15, 2020 01:18
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CelticPredator posted:Rey is cool thanks to Daisy Ridley. I honestly mean it, and not as a backhanded compliment, when I say that she does a really good job of portraying a woman who is a walking, breathing superweapon with no idea what she wants and barely any sense of personal identity whatsoever. Neither she nor Finn are ever allowed to advance past the emotional maturity of a 14 year old, which is really a shame for the actors and the viewing public.
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No Mods No Masters posted:luke with the sacred jedi sexts, it was Rey and Kylo who had the jedi sexts
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Jun 15, 2020 01:28
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Weird how "the emperor's alcoholic failson" is more interesting to think about than anything actually in the rise of skywalker
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Ingmar terdman posted:Weird how "the emperor's alcoholic failson" is more interesting to think about than anything actually in the rise of skywalker Rey’s dad is the Tiffany Trump of the Star Wars Universe
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I really liked the idea Rian threw out that the force just wills Itself into beings when the balance is thrown off. It’s kind of neat and provides a canonical explanation for Anakin if you’re not into Sheev Force loving. Rey just had all of these powers and they just exploded at once and it’s weird and scary. The only scene I hate in TFA is where she does the Jedi mind trick because it’s too specific of a power. Everything else works for me in like a superhero origin kind of way.
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Jun 15, 2020 01:51
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Rey who? Reysy Didley
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Jun 15, 2020 04:43
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man nurse posted:Rey is a hopelessly boring character Only in TROS. She's pretty great through TFA and TLJ. That JJ Abrams and co relegated her to be a vessel for nostalgia in TROS is such a loving shame.
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teagone posted:That JJ Abrams and co relegated her to be a vessel for nostalgia in TROS is such a loving shame. Sheev won.
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I really loved the idea someone here had of Episode IX ending like the Thriller video with Palpatine cackling over a freeze frame of Rey grinning and looking directly into the camera with sith eyes
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Jun 15, 2020 12:40
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Robot Style posted:It's specifically the same orchestration as the scene where Luke finds his family's burning skeletons on the doorstep. I guess you could make the argument that it represents the protagonist choosing to embrace the call to adventure they've been avoiding, but it's still not really a version of the theme that has triumphant associations. I thought it was appropriate. In both cases, the main character can't really go home anymore. They stepped into that dog poo poo, and its just on their shoes now.
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Jun 15, 2020 12:41
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OctoberCountry posted:I really loved the idea someone here had of Episode IX ending like the Thriller video with Palpatine cackling over a freeze frame of Rey grinning and looking directly into the camera with sith eyes I think this was me and I still think it would have been the best. Like someone at Disney should have sneaked this into it on Disney+ or something.
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Jun 15, 2020 15:03
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w0eRkhR1z6A Takes place after episode 6 like I figured it would. Wedge makes a cameo, probably others too. $40, preorder page is up on Steam. VR support...
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Jun 15, 2020 16:16
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5v5 space dogfighting is pretty cool but everyone really just wants Rogue Squadron 4: Rogue Leader Again, how do they not get this. Zero chance the single player campaign is anything deeper than a series of bot deathmatches strung together with cutscenes. On top of hoping it just doesn't straight up suck I got my fingers crossed it won't be 100% space battles, it'd be fun to weave around Coruscant skyscrapers etc.
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Jun 15, 2020 16:23
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The game feel on the new Battlefront games just isn’t good IMO. It all feels very slippery and weightless and not fun to play, despite graphically looking pretty stunning. I don’t have much excitement for this.
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They definitely found a good marketing angle for upselling a Battlefront 2 DLC. I'll give it up
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Is it illegal to show gameplay footage in trailers? Do people get excited for cinematics that don't actually show you the game they're advertising?
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thrawn527 posted:Is it illegal to show gameplay footage in trailers? Do people get excited for cinematics that don't actually show you the game they're advertising? Gameplay demo coming Thursday.
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I wonder if the aliens they picked for the Rebel squad in the trailer are indicative of the characters in the single player campaign, and whether it'll have any story implications. Mirialans are apparently sort of racist, in that when they become Jedi they're only supposed to train other Mirialans. Trandoshans are nearly always portrayed as vicious slavers who can only get into heaven with a high enough murder score. The Mimbanese were armed by the Republic to fight against the Separatists, and then fought by the Empire when they wanted their planet's resources, which has parallels with the CIA's alleged funding of Bin Laden during the cold war. The one in the trailer also has a cybernetic arm, so he's definitely seen some action somewhere. More likely though, they just wanted a classic alien, a new alien, and a human-looking alien and just picked the ones that looked interesting.
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General Dog posted:I honestly mean it, and not as a backhanded compliment, when I say that she does a really good job of portraying a woman who is a walking, breathing superweapon with no idea what she wants and barely any sense of personal identity whatsoever. I haven't seen the actual movie, but the trailers for Shazam! is a better portrayal of the concept than what was presented in any of the sequel trilogy.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I'd argue that's what TLJ did so well. The one thing we know about her is that she's an orphan and is willing to throw away a life of adventure to stay on a shithole planet waiting with blind hope her parents to come back. Then she finds out they were complete trash who sold her for booze and space crack. You're right inasmuch as that's a great hook for character growth, however the next time we see her after that scene is a gleeful "Oh I like this!" while she expertly shoots tie fighters out of the sky and then realizes the force actually is about lifting rocks after all. What I'm saying is JJ is not really the one at fault for robbing that scene of its potentialities
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Star Wars (celebration) has been cancelled https://twitter.com/sw_celebration/status/1272559755622584321?s=12
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In fairness there is very little to celebrate
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Pretty good posted:5v5 space dogfighting is pretty cool but everyone really just wants Rogue Squadron 4: Rogue Leader Again, how do they not get this. Zero chance the single player campaign is anything deeper than a series of bot deathmatches strung together with cutscenes. I'd also like a Starfighter 3: This time it's RotS, and another X-Wing/Tie Fighter sim entry with graphics that don't make my eyes bleed. Three series based around the same gimmick, yet all three played completely different from the others and all three were great. And similar stuff happened with other Star Wars games. It's amazing the sheer mass of consistently high quality video games Star Wars put out. for some reason no other franchise was able to pull that off. And that's the true disaster of the Disney buyout. Now we get nothing but EA garbage.
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Pretty good posted:5v5 space dogfighting is pretty cool but everyone really just wants Rogue Squadron 4: Rogue Leader Again, how do they not get this. Zero chance the single player campaign is anything deeper than a series of bot deathmatches strung together with cutscenes. So what I'm hearing is there's no chance they put the Buick in this.
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Bongo Bill posted:So what I'm hearing is there's no chance they put the Buick in this. Going by pre-order bonuses there's 4 ship types total and, even with DLC, I wouldn't expect to see anything that didn't already show up in the Battlefront games
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General Dog posted:It’s an interesting development on paper, but her conception of who her parents were prior to that revelation is so poorly defined (both in TFA and TLJ) that it kind of falls flat. Why did Rey think they left, and what reason did she have to think they’d return? What sort of people did she believe them to be? We were never told any of this, which is a large part of why Rey is such a cipher, and such a hard character to relate to. These are criticisms about your own speculation, not about the film itself.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I'd argue that's what TLJ did so well. The one thing we know about her is that she's an orphan and is willing to throw away a life of adventure to stay on a shithole planet waiting with blind hope her parents to come back. Then she finds out they were complete trash who sold her for booze and space crack. These are criticisms about your own speculation, not about the film itself.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:These are criticisms about your own speculation, not about the film itself. If we don’t know what Rey’s assumptions about her parents are, it’s hard to empathize with her when she learns the truth. It has nothing to do with who I thought they were or why she was abandoned. As long as we don’t know what she thinks or hopes about them, our understanding of her as a character is incomplete. Rey spends the movie searching for an answer, and the answer she finds is disappointing. That’s fine and good, but the fact that it’s never really established what her question was- that’s a problem.
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General Dog posted:If we don’t know what Rey’s assumptions about her parents are, it’s hard to empathize with her when she learns the truth. It has nothing to do with who I thought they were or why she was abandoned. As long as we don’t know what she thinks or hopes about them, our understanding of her as a character is incomplete. Rey not knowing exactly who her parents are is what I feel to be the main thrust of her journey in search of identity, which in TFA, it's almost as if she's in denial of that crisis, because she believes her family will come back to her. "I know all about waiting. For my family. They'll be back...", the hundreds of hash marks for each day past, the mock pilot doll, the x-wing helmet; all that contributes to Rey's initial naivety. It's not until the scene in TLJ when she's in the underbelly of Ach-To where, in search of who she is/what her place is in the universe, she realizes and understands that her parents aren't coming back, and that her greatest fear is true: that in her search for identity, she can only rely on herself. And she accepts this, despite it being a hard truth. I find that kind of character revelation to be relatable on a human level, personally. But then all that good character work gets ruined in TROS anyway so 
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Horizon Burning posted:These are criticisms about your own speculation, not about the film itself. No it wasn't? It was literally shown to us on film. Try and reason through what you're saying next time you want to be a contrarian idiot, so it makes sense at least.
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teagone posted:Rey not knowing exactly who her parents are is what I feel to be the main thrust of her journey in search of identity, which in TFA, it's almost as if she's in denial of that crisis, because she believes her family will come back to her. "I know all about waiting. For my family. They'll be back...", the hundreds of hash marks for each day past, the mock pilot doll, the x-wing helmet; all that contributes to Rey's initial naivety. That doesn't really jive with the films themselves. Rey "knows" perfectly well who her parents are in TFA. We the audience know that there will be a shocking reveal where she is someones kid/grandkid. But the character herself is confident her family is just some random dudes. She's just a freelance scavenger who wants her parents to come back. TLJ added some weird meta thing where the audience was admonished for understanding basic storytelling concepts like "foreshadowing" and had Rey out of nowhere decide the mystery of her parents and her self identity was super important to her.
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Right, when Ren says Rey came from nothing, it’s framed as some hard truth for her, but what diagetic reason would she have to suspect otherwise? We could give it the benefit of the doubt and say, “Well, Rey already knew basically who they were and that they weren’t anyone of great importance; the real revelation for her is the abandonment aspect,” but in that case you have a disconnect where the audience is reacting to a completely different angle of the revelation than the protagonist is. General Dog fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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galagazombie posted:That doesn't really jive with the films themselves. Rey "knows" perfectly well who her parents are in TFA. We the audience know that there will be a shocking reveal where she is someones kid/grandkid. But the character herself is confident her family is just some random dudes. She's just a freelance scavenger who wants her parents to come back. TLJ added some weird meta thing where the audience was admonished for understanding basic storytelling concepts like "foreshadowing" and had Rey out of nowhere decide the mystery of her parents and her self identity was super important to her. Can't say I agree with any of this when the scene between Rey and Maz in TFA exists. It's the scene after Rey has her Force vision. Rey insists she has to go back to Jakku, because again, it's as if she's in denial of that identity crisis. The conversation between her and Maz is an affirmation of what she would come to inevitably accept in TLJ. [edit] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N-ORTaJM3o&t=154s teagone fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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General Dog posted:Right, when Ren says Rey came from nothing, it’s framed as some hard truth for her, but what diagetic reason would she have to suspect otherwise? She doesn't expect otherwise; she's locked away the memory of her parents as drunkards, and is in denial of them not coming back/their deaths. Ben draws out that realization from her during his whole "join me" speech as part of a manipulation tactic. Rey was grasping onto the hope that with her family back, maybe she might "feel" whole again and have that feeling of purpose or whatever. Coming to accept that her parents are dead drunks in TLJ is hard because, through her own words, she needs someone to help show her what her place is in the universe, i.e., she feels lost, but ultimately comes to accept that she can only rely on herself in her own search of purpose and identity. teagone fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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