|
An ordered list of Star Wars moviefilms. The Empire Strikes Back Star Wars Rogue One Return of the Jedi The Last Jedi The Phantom Menace The Force Awakens Revenge of the Sith The Clone Wars Attack of the Clones Caravan of Courage The Battle for Endor Solo The Rise of Skywalker
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 14:57
|
|
|
|
| # ? Dec 9, 2025 23:35 |
|
|
CelticPredator posted:That’s on JJ. There's an interview thing with Boyega where he talks about being so broke that he had to borrow taxi fare to from the girl he was dating at the time to meet with Abrams somewhere in London, who straight up asked him if he was ready to be the new face of Star Wars, lead the trilogy, etc. I'm sure directors promise stuff like that a lot without actually meaning it but Abrams really must've not given a poo poo about any of that by the time he got the call to salvage RoS.
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 15:46
|
|
|
OldSenileGuy posted:Something I was wondering: has Star Wars ever had a Jedi Vigilante type character? Like a character who can use the Force and is probably an ex-Jedi but now just travels the galaxy doing good, like a Jedi Batman? Zekk sort of fits the bill (and was even called The Darkest Knight for a while). He was one of the kids at Luke's Jedi Academy in the EU, but was abducted by a former Imperial Inquisitor and trained at an evil Jedi school. After he was redeemed, he decided to use his abilities to become a bounty hunter, but eventually ended up becoming a Jedi again. There was also a character in the Star Wars Tales comics named Darca Nyl, who had a quest to kill the Dark Jedi that killed his family. He had a lightsaber that was given to him by a dying Jedi and was able to deflect lasers and fight with it, but was never specifically stated to have any real Force abilities.
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 15:46
|
|
|
General Dog posted:I love the idea of Palpatine brainstorming with his Sith Oracles and witch doctors like, “what do the kids like? If he’s tall he’ll seem more authoritative right, be able to keep Ben Solo in line. But if he’s too tall he’ll scare him off from the get go. Let’s go 7 and a half, maybe 8 feet. Now, I think a little battle damage is important to establish credibility...” Him and one of the head cloning people couldn't resolve their differences which is why they gave Snoke a 20 foot tall hologram in Force Awakens.
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 16:00
|
|
|
The SE changes are mostly dumb and unneeded but I can stomach them to watch the movies in whatever the highest quality iteration is now. I just like watching the no-episode number, warts and all Star Wars even if the quality is low. I feel like its place in history and borrowing/inspirations come through better that way
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 16:13
|
|
|
Mat Cauthon posted:There's an interview thing with Boyega where he talks about being so broke that he had to borrow taxi fare to from the girl he was dating at the time to meet with Abrams somewhere in London, who straight up asked him if he was ready to be the new face of Star Wars, lead the trilogy, etc. Or he did but had to answer to a notoriously demanding and uncooperative media production company . .
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 16:39
|
|
|
Mat Cauthon posted:There's an interview thing with Boyega where he talks about being so broke that he had to borrow taxi fare to from the girl he was dating at the time to meet with Abrams somewhere in London, who straight up asked him if he was ready to be the new face of Star Wars, lead the trilogy, etc. Boyega was both the protagonist and focal character of TFA, until the film was changed late in production to focus more on Daisey Ridley as Rey. By that point, though, it wasn't possible to hide the fact that FN was the protagonist of the film. He still is.
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 16:48
|
|
|
I think Rey was always intended to be the protagonist of the ST (even the concept art from Lucas' outlines has Luke training a girl who finds him in seclusion), but Finn was definitely meant to be the POV character in the same way that C-3PO was in the first film.
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 18:52
|
|
|
Finn and Poe's escape is charming and rollicking and then you never get anything quite like that again
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 18:56
|
|
|
Robot Style posted:but Finn was definitely meant to be the POV character in the same way that C-3PO was in the first film. Or dare I say, he's POV character in the same way Jar Jar is in The Phantom Menace
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 19:09
|
|
|
A slave on a mission and their unequal partner escape from a mothership and crash-land on an outer rim planet. With the help of a local yokel who doesn't know how special they are, they elude pursuit and get off-planet, but are forced to take a lengthy and dangerous detour where they meet one of the most important people in their life.
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 20:15
|
|
|
2house2fly posted:I don't have a problem with the special edition of ROTJ, I was never really attached to the Yub Jub song at the end and the replacement is nice as a trilogy ender. The sarlacc having a little prehensile mouth coming up out of its mouth is dumb but w/e Replacing a grimy funk tune with a theme park showstopper and showing the Rancor too early really messes with the atmosphere of that scene to the point where it's kinda annoying. That little tick gets me in a nitpick mood for the rest of it that I wouldn't otherwise (also gently caress Jar Jar having the last line of the trilogy).
|
|
#
?
Jun 22, 2020 22:28
|
|
|
MasqueradeOverture posted:(also gently caress Jar Jar having the last line of the trilogy). Whoa I love the special editions now, crazy Which edition is this? Definitely not the ones I have
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 00:17
|
|
|
It was the 2004 version I think? They added a scene on naboo to the montage of planets at the end and you can hear someone who sounds like Jar Jar saying "wesa free"
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 00:19
|
|
|
2house2fly posted:It was the 2004 version I think? They added a scene on naboo to the montage of planets at the end and you can hear someone who sounds like Jar Jar saying "wesa free" I wonder if Jar Jar accidentally toppled his own statue that day
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 00:21
|
|
|
CelticPredator posted:That’s on JJ. Are we ignoring that Rian just entirely sidelined Finn in TLJ? He went from top billing in TFA to being the least important of the ST trio in TLJ.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 00:38
|
|
|
Sure, if your only judge of "importance" is "how much do they progress the plot" Finn has more screentime than Poe and his story is vital to the movie.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 00:39
|
|
|
He got to use his First Order connection to get the good guys on board the enemy ship, he had a big moment where he was about to be executed, he got a cathartic one on one with the evil stormtrooper queen. It's a shame they cut the stormtrooper rebellion, but he did ok
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 00:52
|
|
|
That magical admiral's coin in ROS was a voucher good for skipping one (1) Canto Bight style story beat on your way to the end of the movie. What was that thing actually called, that whole device it doesnt even seem to appear in the wookieepedia summary
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 01:10
|
|
|
McCloud posted:Are we ignoring that Rian just entirely sidelined Finn in TLJ? He went from top billing in TFA to being the least important of the ST trio in TLJ. Finn, Luke and Kylo are clearly the only characters Johnson actually cared about
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 03:01
|
|
|
Poe's story in TLJ (and by extension, the entire Resistance chase plot) is definitely the least fleshed out because it was basically added to give Poe something to do. Originally the Canto Bight stuff was Finn and Poe going on a buddy adventure, but Johnson realized that he was writing both characters with the same voice and decided that there was just no way to have conflict between a dyed-in-the-wool Resistance x-wing pilot and a brainwashed former stormtrooper, so he decided to eject Poe from the plot and created Rose to be more of a foil for Finn.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 03:47
|
|
|
No, Rian Johnson hates MY favourite character the most!
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 03:52
|
|
Robot Style posted:Poe's story in TLJ (and by extension, the entire Resistance chase plot) is definitely the least fleshed out because it was basically added to give Poe something to do. Originally the Canto Bight stuff was Finn and Poe going on a buddy adventure, but Johnson realized that he was writing both characters with the same voice and decided that there was just no way to have conflict between a dyed-in-the-wool Resistance x-wing pilot and a brainwashed former stormtrooper, so he decided to eject Poe from the plot and created Rose to be more of a foil for Finn. This is such a nonsensical thing for Johnson to say that I can only assume it was him covering up for Disney telling him to split up Finn and Poe to stop the idea that they were gay. Probably as part of the deal for his own trilogy (RIP.)
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 03:56
|
|
|
It seems like it was his own decision. Here's his full quote from the TLJ art book:Rian Johnson posted:Poe originally went on the journey with Finn to Canto Bight. And it was so boring. It was just these two dudes on an adventure. I knew something was wrong when I looked at their dialogue and realized that I could interchange any of the lines. There wasn't conflict between them. So I realized I had to come up with something else. Finn needing sombeody else to go with who would actually challenge him and push him and contrast with him was where Rose came from. To me it seems more interesting to have these two characters who came together in a tense situation then find out that they actually have a lot of differences that might threaten their relationship and impact the mission. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jun 23, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 04:23
|
|
|
Robot Style posted:It seems like it was his own decision. Here's his full quote from the TLJ art book: "Buddy! Road trip!" ... "Buddy, that's kinda annoying." "Yeah? Well, buddy, you need to wash more often." ... "Buddy, you just... uh... did that terrible thing." "I had to, buddy. This is a star war." "Buddy..." 
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 07:22
|
|
|
Robot Style posted:It seems like it was his own decision. Here's his full quote from the TLJ art book: Even if this is the case, 'I was too incompetent a writer to put these two characters who had a ton of chemistry in the last film in any scenes together' isn't really much better
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 07:50
|
|
|
RJ also needed something for Holdo to do so that you gave at least one poo poo for the character killing herself (even if its a negative poo poo). Finn could not play into that plot on the ship, but Poe can since Poe has Space Battle Agency. unless you want a lot of really awkward scenes where yoga lady persecutes a black guy for seeming 'suspicious' or just inherently treasonous for some reason idk. I love slamming TLJ as much as the next person but I think RJ's reasoning is defensible in this case. Though now that I think about it Poe literally knows hackers as shown in RoS lmao. They should have gotten Badu Frik instead TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jun 23, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 08:28
|
|
|
The alternative is that Holdo and the mutiny plot was only invented after he decided to split them, the same way Rose was.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 08:32
|
|
|
It doesn't have to be the mutiny plot - but they have to have *something* to introduce Holdo with, otherwise they are transparently introducing a doomed character just so noone important has to die. Holdo's conflict with Poe serves that purpose decently, even if the plot itself is pretty dumb. Who would do the kamikaze attack then? Leia? I would've been down with that. The amount of Oh poo poo would be incredible. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jun 23, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 08:35
|
|
|
Not sure 'white lady persecutes latino guy' is really a step up, all things considered.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 11:36
|
|
|
TheDeadlyShoe posted:It doesn't have to be the mutiny plot - but they have to have *something* to introduce Holdo with, otherwise they are transparently introducing a doomed character just so noone important has to die. Holdo's conflict with Poe serves that purpose decently, even if the plot itself is pretty dumb. The kamikaze attack, the mutiny - none of that would've been in the film, is my understanding if Rose and Holdo were late additions.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 11:51
|
|
|
Robot Style posted:It seems like it was his own decision. Here's his full quote from the TLJ art book: Wow what amazing conflict Finn: this casino planet is cool Rose: it's bad because slaves Finn: oh ok it bad Sure needed Rose for that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 11:57
|
|
|
Canto Blight sucks all the goddamn air out of that movie. It's such a loving waste of time.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 13:29
|
|
|
Vintersorg posted:Canto Blight sucks all the goddamn air out of that movie. It's such a loving waste of time. *the deepest of sighs*
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 13:30
|
|
|
Robot Style posted:It seems like it was his own decision. Here's his full quote from the TLJ art book: Poe and Finn work in TFA because they have chemistry, but they don't really know anything about each other. Having them go on the Canto Bight run together and experience some actual conflict as they get to know each other better as they fail to salvage a hail mary mission would've been great. There's even a baked in resolution - bonding over the fact that this war (that the rich, establishment society of the galaxy profits from) meant that they were both denied a family, since Poe's parents got killed on a Resistance mission and Finn was abducted as a child and brainwashed into being a soldier. You can keep basically everything else about that plotline the same, right down to getting caught infiltrating the Star Destroyer since that's a nice parallel to their first meeting. Hell, keep the infuriated Finn suicide run and the "save what we love" kiss too and give the people the ship they actually wanted. It would make way more sense with Poe as a counterpoint to how he starts out TLJ. TheDeadlyShoe posted:It doesn't have to be the mutiny plot - but they have to have *something* to introduce Holdo with, otherwise they are transparently introducing a doomed character just so noone important has to die. Holdo's conflict with Poe serves that purpose decently, even if the plot itself is pretty dumb. I think they could've just introduced Holdo the same way and without Poe around maybe we get to see how this new commander has to try and wrangle the Resistance as an organization that clearly relies on personality and tradition (Leia and Luke) to give them purpose than solidarity and connection with the people they're fighting for. Star Wars introduces new characters all the time, so I don't think it's a bridge too far to let Holdo stand on her own, although you could have Wedge or some other legacy character (Lando?) there if absolutely necessary. But I agree that having Leia be the one to do the suicide attack, especially in conjunction with Kylo's whole "kill the past" thing, would've been amazing. It means there's no Luke and Leia reunion in TLJ but that is fine by me. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 23, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 15:08
|
|
|
Finn/Poe with Benicio at canto bight (arms dealers + glamorous hangers-on, cops, and child slavers) is a lot of dude energy. You'd pretty much have to make the finn poe romance unfold there to balance that out, but clearly that was never going to happen And there are good points in here about what Finn Poe canto could have done but I think it would have needed more time, which no one wants. Han and Leia have the advantage of being together all of ESB and then wind up at cloud city, where everyone is also meeting up for the finale. TLJ has to get in and out of the Cloud City (glamorous veneer with dark underbelly) and on with the story.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 15:25
|
|
|
It's okay to have two men and no women on screen doing things together in a non-romantic context.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 15:30
|
|
|
I think part of the problem there is that if you did put them together in a non-romantic context for that long it would very easily be read as queerbaiting. Of course, that doesn't mean they can never interact (or that people shouldn't complain about queerbaiting), but whatever. I like Rose and I like her role in the movie.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 15:32
|
|
|
Just have them gently caress in the opulent hotel until they feel bad about it & return to the fight.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 15:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? Dec 9, 2025 23:35 |
|
|
Ingmar terdman posted:Finn/Poe with Benicio at canto bight (arms dealers + glamorous hangers-on, cops, and child slavers) is a lot of dude energy. You'd pretty much have to make the finn poe romance unfold there to balance that out, but clearly that was never going to happen Just cast a woman in the DJ role or get Keri Russell's character in there. I agree about the set up and development time being the biggest hurdle though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2020 15:40
|
|