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Martman posted:I still need to get around to watching the recent Planet of the Apes movies but, do those count? Yeah the Apes movies are great.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Back to the future also pulled the wild trick of the third entry being the best one I wouldn't agree but the least you can see is that it avoided getting even more byzantine with the time travel shenanigans. It was fun and appropriate that the second movie went bonkers with it, but there was no way of escalating things into that direction any further without bringing in dinosaurs and suchlike.
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galagazombie posted:Has there been a single “epic trilogy” besides Star Wars and Lord of the Rings that actually worked? Indiana Jones doesn’t count since they’re all self contained and I don’t even know if the second two were conceived together. All the attempts I can think of, while not always outright bombs, were always lackluster. Three Colors Blue, White, Red Sympathy for Mr. Vengance, Oldboy, Lady Vengeance Toy Story 1, 2, 3 A Fistful of Dollars, A Few Dollars More, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, Army of Darkness Bourne Identity, Supremacy, Ultimatum Darko posted:Yeah the Apes movies are great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EyC3o4UsI0 Assepoester fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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Glottis posted:I swear to god, if it's another superweapon plot, I'll continue to have no respect for the franchise. Ah, but what if it's the supposed "good guys" with the superweapon and they inadvertently cause a holocaust? Oh right, this is Disney. My bad.
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Nightmare Cinema posted:Ah, but what if it's the supposed "good guys" with the superweapon and they inadvertently cause a holocaust? I mean, the movie could absolutely and unmistakably be about that until the third act where nope, it was the Bad Guy With Good Points all along, and he's also really really crazy. Also, here is something vaguely LGBTQ going on in the background. The far, faaaaaar background.
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The United States posted:Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead I haven’t seen all of these but by “epic trilogy” I meant that at least the second two films were conceived as telling a kind of complete arc, ideally but not always incorporating the first movie into said arc. Stuff like the Dollars “trilogy” or Toy Story are just “sequels”.
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In that case, I wouldn't even necessarily count Star Wars in that group, since Return of the Jedi was basically just the result of Lucas getting sick of the franchise and cramming all his remaining sequel ideas into one movie with some unused concepts from the first movie as the mortar sticking them together. Lord of the Rings is probably the only one that works all the way through, and that's because they had an existing structure use and filmed them all at the same time so they have a consistent narrative voice (and even then, Return of the King is probably the weakest of the three).
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How about the trilogy of Spider-man 2s
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The best trilogy is the Star Wars remake trilogy: "A New Hope", Phantom Menace, and Force Awakens As in the OT, the middle chapter is the best
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Robot Style posted:In that case, I wouldn't even necessarily count Star Wars in that group, since Return of the Jedi was basically just the result of Lucas getting sick of the franchise and cramming all his remaining sequel ideas into one movie with some unused concepts from the first movie as the mortar sticking them together. Return of the King is edited so very weirdly. Every shot is just a little too short or too long. It's already a long movie but I swear that's part of the reason people really complained about its length...along with the fourteen endings.
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galagazombie posted:I haven’t seen all of these but by “epic trilogy” I meant that at least the second two films were conceived as telling a kind of complete arc, ideally but not always incorporating the first movie into said arc. Stuff like the Dollars “trilogy” or Toy Story are just “sequels”. Martman posted:How about the trilogy of Spider-man 2s Snowman_McK posted:Return of the King is edited so very weirdly. Every shot is just a little too short or too long. It's already a long movie but I swear that's part of the reason people really complained about its length...along with the fourteen endings.
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The United States posted:The extended edition actually helps a lot in that regard because you can see what they were awkwardly cutting out, but it absolutely does not help the interminable endings problem. I wish it was that, but it's just general weird rythmn through the whole film, extended or otherwise. Sometimes it's an odd choice, othertimes it's just amateurish, like a shot of a someone thrusting a spear that lasts a frame or two too long, so you can see the actor stop and realise he's thrusting into empty air. It did have a different editor to the other two (all three have different editors) which I take as complete validation of my idea.
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Return of the king/jedi are both pretty rough and are better at putting decent bows on their trilogies than being standalone good
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The United States posted:The Star Wars movies were just sequels too. It's about whether they tell a larger story across three movies than they could have told in one. I disagree. There's a difference in how a story is told/structured between the two. ESB for instance cannot, or at least is not supposed to, exist without further movies. It's identity is tied to RotJ (or the hypothetical bajillion more movies Lucas had originally planned) inartistically. Something like Dollars conversely exists entirely in a vacuum from each other. In fact I saw the Dollars trilogy 2>3>1 and could honestly not have told you the order had I not known beforehand.
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The Dollars trilogy actually goes: (unlicensed) remake, sequel, prequel.
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Nightmare Cinema posted:Ah, but what if it's the supposed "good guys" with the superweapon and they inadvertently cause a holocaust?
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Snowman_McK posted:I wish it was that, but it's just general weird rythmn through the whole film, extended or otherwise. Sometimes it's an odd choice, othertimes it's just amateurish, like a shot of a someone thrusting a spear that lasts a frame or two too long, so you can see the actor stop and realise he's thrusting into empty air. Also IIRC weren't they still editing it like absurdly close to its release date?
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Neo Rasa posted:Also IIRC weren't they still editing it like absurdly close to its release date? Peter Jackson himself didn’t see the whole thing front to back until the cast and crew screening. Like, he’d seen all the reels at one time or another, had signed off on “locking” picture and sound and everything for each of those reels, but had never gotten a chance to see it run end to end until everyone else who worked on the movie had. That’s how insane the post period on the movie was, everything had run so up to the wire no one had quite been able to find three-plus uninterrupted hours to make sure the whole thing worked as a movie before it went to Technicolor to have prints struck for what was a 4000+ screen worldwide release.
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Jackson turned in the final cut of ROTK on the Friday before the premiere in New Zealand on the following Wednesday. The problem was that both LOTR sequels had hundreds of more vfx shots than Fellowship of the Ring and the wrap up for post production time for all three movies was around 4 to 6 months in 2001, 2002 and 2003, after the annual scheduled pick up principle photography for each film, which would be unheard of nowadays. The Last Jedi had to have entered or been in post production at least 12 to 14 months before it was actually released based on when Carrie Fisher died and how it didn't affect anything production wise for the film. CPFortest fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Nov 14, 2021 |
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The prequels were certainly conceived and filmed as a trilogy telling one overarching story.
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In theory, the prequels were like that, but it didn't really turn out that way in practice. The prequels had an endpoint they needed to reach, but I don't think Lucas knew what was going to happen in Episode III while he was writing the first, or even second movie. The Phantom Menace is largely a just retread of A New Hope, with more elements from his original drafts thrown in. Even Amidala traveling in disguise is a more direct lift from The Hidden Fortress than Leia was. Being 10 years removed from the other movies, everyone's basically a different character in this one, and other than establishing origins for the OT characters, it's mostly a standalone adventure. Attack of the Clones is "the one where Anakin and Padme hook up", and other than that is setup for a movie that doesn't exist. The Clone War that starts at the end of the movie is almost entirely skipped over, and the Sifo Dyas mystery that drove half the plot (and was supposed to be resolved in Episode 3) just gets ignored entirely. By Revenge of the Sith, Lucas was extremely hesitant to show a script to anyone for a long time, and admitted he had no idea how to deal with all the plot threads he'd left hanging. The first act of the movie aboard the Separatist flagship was originally around an hour long because once that's over, he actually had to start telling the story of the movie. The big story element in Episode 3 was Anakin turning to the dark side, but a lot of the important scenes where that happened were either filmed with script pages written the night before, or had to be reshoot months later after Lucas had a chance to actually figure out what was supposed to be happening.
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By the standard you set I don't know what would qualify as a planned trilogy then beyond perhaps lord of rings-style filming everything all at once. That the plot details of the prequels changed or were up in the air, in my mind, doesn't invalidate staying true to its conception as 3 films telling the story of Anakin and the republic becoming darth vader and the empire
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galagazombie posted:I haven’t seen all of these but by “epic trilogy” I meant that at least the second two films were conceived as telling a kind of complete arc, ideally but not always incorporating the first movie into said arc. Stuff like the Dollars “trilogy” or Toy Story are just “sequels”. Apes
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The United States posted:Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead gently caress it, Hunger Games Catching Fire Mocking Jay pt 2
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Back to the Future That wasn't planned as a trilogy. The first movie was planned as a stand alone (To Be Continued... wasn't really to lead into a sequel, it was just a "The adventures will continue" kind of thing), and it's clear they had no idea what to do with a sequel from the moment the second one came around and they didn't know what to do with Jennifer. Also, they had no arc left for Marty, since they had already completed his arc in the first movie, so they added in that whole "chicken" thing to give him something, anything, to evolve out of. Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Back to the future also pulled the wild trick of the third entry being the best one Hold the gently caress on. The first Back to the Future is the clear best. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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For all those hoping for a regime change at LucasFilm, you'll have to wait a bit: https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2021/11/kathleen-kennedy-2024-lucasfilm-contract.html
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Oh no, now there are only 95 upcoming Star Wars things
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Yeah, it seems like the rian enjoyers would be happiest to see him free at this point. You would have to be a TLJ hater to want to see rian continue to be trapped in nightmarish disney purgatory
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I want the RJ trilogy because TLJ is one of my fav star wars  I posted this in the TV SW thread but I dunno, IGN is reporting this but the source is an ex-THR guys substack newsletter. Its part of a bullet point deep in an opinionated piece about they should fire KK so I dunno if its like actually true. That being said while I havent given up all hope on RJ's trilogy (TLJ was one of the smoothest productions in the ST era! RJ by all accounts worked really well with them!) I know it wouldnt happen any time soon if it ever happened at all. Still I'd take Patty Jenkins actually being shelved with a bit of a grain of salt until it gets actually confirmed.
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It would be cool if he was able to use whatever ideas he had for a full parody movie. Let him go full spaceballs
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gohmak posted:gently caress it, Ingmar terdman posted:It would be cool if he was able to use whatever ideas he had for a full parody movie. Let him go full spaceballs Assepoester fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Johnson should just take the Zack Snyder route and make it for Netflix with the serial numbers filed off. They've already given him enough for more Knives Out movies, so just put one of them in space or something.
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Robot Style posted:Johnson should just take the Zack Snyder route and make it for Netflix with the serial numbers filed off. They've already given him enough for more Knives Out movies, so just put one of them in space or something. 
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The Last Jedi felt like a movie made by a guy who is not nearly as smart or bold as he thinks he is with a bunch of half baked and bad ideas combined with box ticking corporate oversight(all the forced and jarring out of place humor for example). Its an awkward, lumbering Frankenstein monster of a film. His departure is for the best imo. What really needs to change though is the creative oversight at Lucasfilm imo. None of the Disney Star Wars movies feel like they were made by a real filmmaker with a vision and something to say. I can't believe I'm saying this, but even the prequels felt like they were made by a filmmaker making an epic forbidden love story + shakespearian tragedy that was ultimately undone by bad direction and poo poo writing. There is nothing behind any of these new movies.
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Gresh posted:The Last Jedi felt like a movie made by a guy who is not nearly as smart or bold as he thinks he is with a bunch of half baked and bad ideas combined with box ticking corporate oversight(all the forced and jarring out of place humor for example). Its an awkward, lumbering Frankenstein monster of a film. There is something behind the sequel films however, and it comes closest to coming out during TLJ, but not quite... and it's the absolute failure of the previous generation "The only thing I could think of, considering the script I was given to read, was that I was part of the Beatles generation. When I was a teenager I thought of things like “All you need is love”, peace and love... that when we had the power, there would be no more wars, no more racial discrimination and that weed would be legal. When you think about it, my generation is a failure. The world is definitely worse than it was back then" 
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