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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's such a shame that that one game poisoned the well for a Star Wars fighting game. Heck, Soul Calibur had a lot of fun with it. Considering that loving, romantic love and familial love are all seen as paths to the Dark Side, no poo poo people like them!
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The Dark Side is like, the most unsexiest evil faction ever though.
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May 15, 2023 01:03
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Its probably a bit like being a heroin junkie, you look like a ghoulish phantom of the person you once were on the outside but on the inside you're loving flying
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May 15, 2023 01:10
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I'm still not 100% sure what he does for Lucasfilm, other than "managing the canon", or something, whatever that means. His official title is something like "Creative Executive".
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May 15, 2023 15:01
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I think that's pretty much it. He's just the super dork who knows everything about Star Wars production history and canon. If you wanna know if Max Rebo uses his feet or hands to play the space-piano, Pablo is going to tell you it's his feet and show his work with copious, thoroughly-researched documents from the Lucasfilm archives.
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May 15, 2023 15:12
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feedmyleg posted:I think that's pretty much it. He's just the super dork who knows everything about Star Wars production history and canon. If you wanna know if Max Rebo uses his feet or hands to play the space-piano, Pablo is going to tell you it's his feet and show his work with copious, thoroughly-researched documents from the Lucasfilm archives. So he just sits around waiting for someone to come in and ask something like, "Did Leia and Holdo know each other as kids?", he says, "Yes", and goes back to watching YouTube? Can I have that job?
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May 15, 2023 15:18
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He (or his office) probably does stuff like producing style guide and "writer's bibles" for the people hired to do novels and comics and other spinoff products.
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Halloween Jack posted:He (or his office) probably does stuff like producing style guide and "writer's bibles" for the people hired to do novels and comics and other spinoff products. I suppose that makes more sense.
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mycot posted:The Dark Side is like, the most unsexiest evil faction ever though. This is Darth Talon erasure.
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May 15, 2023 15:28
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Darth who? Asajj Ventress is right over there.
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thrawn527 posted:So he just sits around waiting for someone to come in and ask something like, "Did Leia and Holdo know each other as kids?", he says, "Yes", and goes back to watching YouTube? He's responsible for writing a lot of the stupid fluff lore stuff that goes in those visual guides and other things. He ran a lot of the old lucasfilm online & magazine content back in the day.
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May 15, 2023 15:42
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Does Ventress's butthole have teeth?
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May 15, 2023 15:48
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The Dark Side is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be unnatural.
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Ok, this is more of a history question, but I'm curious to affirm or correct my own memory to settle a friendly debate. Back in the early or mid-1990s, before Shadows of the Empire existed. Somewhere I distinctly remember reading that Lucasfilm did not consider anything from the Extended Universe as canon. Period. The movies were the canon, and that was that. Back then, I was posting on whatever Star Wars groups existed and was subscribed to any form of media Lucasfilm offered, but I cannot remember if this was something Lucasfilm actually published, or if this is something I cooked up in my own head 30ish years ago that happened to end up getting confirmed much later. I tried to research it, but the earliest record of Lucas himself disavowing the EU I could find was from around 2004-05, around the time RotS was coming out. Anyone happen to have a better memory than I do about this? The specific debate point is whether EU was canon, besides The Clone Wars (2008) show, pre-Disney, which I know for sure that it wasn't. Problem is, I happen to remember it being verified as non-canon much, much earlier than the one source I can find.
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My recollection is the opposite, I thought it was considered cannon and the authors had to get approval from Lucasfilm for their stories. That's why it was a big deal when Chewbacca died, it was an approved part of the cannon.
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Doronin posted:Somewhere I distinctly remember reading that Lucasfilm did not consider anything from the Extended Universe as canon. Period. The movies were the canon, and that was that. Back then, I was posting on whatever Star Wars groups existed and was subscribed to any form of media Lucasfilm offered, but I cannot remember if this was something Lucasfilm actually published, or if this is something I cooked up in my own head 30ish years ago that happened to end up getting confirmed much later. There was a really complex canon rule with the old EU where anything George did superceded everything else, then TV, then books, then games, etc. They had fun labels like G-CANON for george canon. this quote from 1994 answers your question I think: quote:"Gospel,' or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelizations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers. However, between us, we've read everything, and much of it is taken into account in the overall continuity. The entire catalog of published works comprises a vast history—with many off-shoots, variations and tangents—like any other well-developed mythology." https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Canon Always rely on the wookiepedia man!
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Doronin posted:Ok, this is more of a history question, but I'm curious to affirm or correct my own memory to settle a friendly debate. *cracks knuckles* Pre-Disney, the EU was a bit weird when it came to canon. There was the pre-Thrawn trilogy stuff (the old Han Solo and Lando books, the 80's comic books, Splinter of the Minds Eye, etc.), that was indeed not canon. Then when the Thrawn trilogy came out, and the Dark Empire comic books, and then the X-Wing series, they decided to make the EU canon moving forward, at least within itself, and as long as the movies didn't contradict it. But that got a bit complicated. They created a canon-tier system, which is explained here, which I lifted from an older book thread (written by haitfais before the Disney buyout) that is still linked in the current book thread: haitfais posted:- G-Canon: George Lucas Canon. The six movies, novelisations of the six movies (unless they contradict the movies), and anything that George Lucas happened to say while drunk on expensive hooch. Basically, something is canon as long as it's not contradicted by a level above it. Top level being G-Canon, or George Lucas Canon. From the mouth of the man himself, via the movies, the books based on the movies, or something he said in an interview or something. Then the TV shows, as long as the movies didn't contradict them. Then C-Canon is basically where all the EU books lived. Interestingly, Lucas occasionally (though not often) would borrow from this level. Coruscant was first mentioned in Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn, before being mentioned first in a movie in TPM. (The script for ROTJ talked about a city wide planet, but it was called something else.) Conversely, Lucas would occasionally override the books, like basically anything involving clones, the Clone Wars, or that one time Luke's mother came up in the Black Fleet Crisis books. So basically, the EU was canon, as long as George Lucas decided something from it wasn't.
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So what level is Triclops? Aka Rey's father
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Blood Boils posted:So what level is Triclops? Tri-canon
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thrawn527 posted:So basically, the EU was canon, as long as George Lucas decided something from it wasn't. Pretty funny the effort they went to just to avoid saying "it's canon unless George wakes up one day and randomly decides it's not."
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Blood Boils posted:So what level is Triclops? Essentially S or N-Canon? Even though it came out after Heir to the Empire, it's a kid's book series that no one wanted to include in the canon, so they just didn't. I think someone once mentioned it as a bedtime story Han and Leia told Jacen and Jaina, but that's honestly even weirder than it being canon.
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Jerkface posted:There was a really complex canon rule with the old EU .. thrawn527 posted:*cracks knuckles* Thank you both! That totally answers it. I had a feeling I was remembering something wrong (for a very long time now), and I definitely was.
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Jerkface posted:Tri-canon  thrawn527 posted:Essentially S or N-Canon? Even though it came out after Heir to the Empire, it's a kid's book series that no one wanted to include in the canon, so they just didn't. I think someone once mentioned it as a bedtime story Han and Leia told Jacen and Jaina, but that's honestly even weirder than it being canon. He's mentioned a few times across The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, just never by name. Neither is Rey's mom, but it's obviously Leia
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The whole G canon thing is funny because it meant that entire chronologies that happen post-ROTJ were basically fan fiction but Obi Wan being from the planet Stewjon (a joke Lucas made on the Daily Show) is a sacred, immutable truth
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Blood Boils posted:He's mentioned a few times across The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, just never by name. Neither is Rey's mom, but it's obviously Leia Palpatine having a son does not make him Triclops. And isn't it implied that the woman we see in the flashback is Rey's mom? I'm sure this is a "That's the joke" moment for me, but, like, no, I refuse. Triclops has never been canon. Which is fine. I'm the forums expert on Triclops and Trioculus. By my own fault. So I can still enjoy some bullshit. But no. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 16, 2023 |
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May 16, 2023 21:04
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Triclops should be canon, and Disney is full of cowards.
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Triclops is canon, from a certain point of view (tri-canon view)
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thrawn527 posted:Palpatine having a son does not make him Triclops. And isn't it implied that the woman we see in the flashback is Rey's mom? It's possible Sheev had other unknown sons, but until something in the Movie level canon contradicts it, seems safe to assume that guy is Triclops. The woman is probably just his girlfriend or nanny. Leia is Rey's mom because it answers so many plot Edit: And let's not forget the weird incest stuff fits the Skywalkers to a tee Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 16, 2023 |
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Wolfsheim posted:The whole G canon thing is funny because it meant that entire chronologies that happen post-ROTJ were basically fan fiction but Obi Wan being from the planet Stewjon (a joke Lucas made on the Daily Show) is a sacred, immutable truth I think Lucas should have said more offhand poo poo, for exactly this reason. "Palpatine is dead, dead as poo poo, and definitely does not gently caress!" Imagine how much better that would've made the Star Wars Universe.
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But Palpatine DOES gently caress. Cowards at Lucasfilm can jam their clone nonsense where the lightsaber don't shine.
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PT6A posted:I think Lucas should have said more offhand poo poo, for exactly this reason. "Palpatine is dead, dead as poo poo, and definitely does not gently caress!" It didn't help. 
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Robot Style posted:It didn't help. Lol, I like him throwing Luke under the bus right there. He never gets married. However, maybe he does go around and pick up space chicks while listening to this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDggMLJqhj0
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Tartakovsky has said the 2003 cartoon was considered was canon when it was made (which is not how other EU authors would have described their work). Lucas worked with Tartakovsky on the the show pitching ideas like Grevious and making sure the second season aligned with Revenge of the Sith (to the extent that he told one of the animators that he wanted them to "animate the opening crawl"). Based on the success of the show he even tried to hire Tartakovsky to head up Lucasfilm animation, giving the job to Filoni after Tartakovsky turned him down. You can see some of them (including Lucas) talking about it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV9LvVb84xo
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trying to imagine a future where all star wars animation is vaguely dialogue less action set pieces Probably a good thing he turned that down though I'd love to peek into the alt timeline where that did happen
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Robot Style posted:It didn't help. It's weird because I've heard other people claim he wrote a treatment for the ST and then it got ignored. I think he's just a dude that can't make up his loving mind. I view Lucas in a similar way that I view Tolkien, in that he was really good at a few specific things, and then just spectacularly awful at other things which are necessary to produce to full work of art. And that's not to poo poo on either of them: the things they were good at, they were so good at that they've managed to set decades of media in motion, and that's not nothing. But they are both really loving far from perfect.
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Lucas did write a treatment for the ST, he was ramping up for a new trilogy when he decided to sell. I think that quote is probably a bit before then.
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The Lucas treatment sounds amazing and would've been much better than what we got.
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Jerkface posted:trying to imagine a future where all star wars animation is vaguely dialogue less action set pieces The tartakovsky stuff is all exactly how things happen in the SW universe, but it's entirely in the dreams the Jedi have about how badass they are/how tough their opponents like Greivous are. Mace & Greiv are completely different characters in those shorts than in the movies and I applaud it
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Jerkface posted:Lucas did write a treatment for the ST, he was ramping up for a new trilogy when he decided to sell. I think that quote is probably a bit before then. Yeah, according to...I think it was Mark Hamill, the plan Lucas laid out to them was that Lucas was going to make Episode VII to prove Star Wars was still profitable, and then sell it. Then Disney said, "That will not be necessary" and bought it before then, along with his treatments for VII-IX, but ignored them. That quote is way older than that, and is talking about the EU.
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PT6A posted:It's weird because I've heard other people claim he wrote a treatment for the ST and then it got ignored. I think he's just a dude that can't make up his loving mind. that quote is from 2008 or thereabouts. lucas wrote a treatment and it was thrown out by disney (after basically doing a bunch of articles about how dumb it was because it'd be honey i shrunk the star wars because lucas had said it'd be about the whills and midichlorians.) I've seen people say lucas was also pretty instrumental in getting the big three back on board for the sequels and that he was turfed and his treatment thrown out once their contracts had been signed. it's hard to tell what went down with lucas and the sequels, tbqh, but i doubt it was anything good because disney canned all the making of books, lucas appeared upset enough that he made that white slavers comment, and he didn't attend the premiere for rise of skywalker. his comments on tfa and tlj could also be considered rather backhanded.
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