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YaketySass posted:I think I read it on this very forum before but if you go along with the sex metaphor then Obi-Wan's monster looks like a praying mantis, an animal with the reputation of devouring its mate. Obi-Wan is a representative of the sexless Jedi orthodoxy that eschews relationships and attachments. It's not emphasized as heavily as some things in AotC, but there's a suggestion that Obi-wan might be gynophobic. He pawns the duty of protecting Padme off on Anakin while he goes on an adventure to the clone planet where human babies are produced without any loving and without any women.
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Schwarzwald posted:It's not emphasized as heavily as some things in AotC, but there's a suggestion that Obi-wan might be gynophobic. He pawns the duty of protecting Padme off on Anakin while he goes on an adventure to the clone planet where human babies are produced without any loving and without any women. I dunno about that, he's also annoyed at having to take on Jar Jar and Anakin in TPM. It seems more likely that Obi-Wan wants to avoid protection missions. Which makes it all the more ironic when he ends up on an 18 year one in the middle of the desert.
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General Dog posted:Don’t forget the architecture in the Geonosian Coliseum being basically all vaginas. Though I guess that isn’t a new observation. After Anakin's mom dies, the desert (with the same rock formations on both planets) turns from yellow to red. YaketySass posted:I think I read it on this very forum before but if you go along with the sex metaphor then Obi-Wan's monster looks like a praying mantis, an animal with the reputation of devouring its mate. Obi-Wan is a representative of the sexless Jedi orthodoxy that eschews relationships and attachments. That sounds good, but since it is both that and a crab with juicy delicious crab legs, I think that factors in. He just came from the ocean world where aliens build humans and never saw beneath the sea. The monster is also the only green one. A crab is a creature who can live on sea and land, and lobsters can live hundreds of years.
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Vinylshadow posted:Battlefront II's story was also pretty solid Mantis42 posted:The hero characters were a little janky and took away from the battlefield feeling, yea, but you could turn them off? Or maybe not, haven't played Battlefront in years. As for the story, Battlefront 2 really cements the canon of "The nine-film trilogy is actually all about a guy named Palpatine, carrying out an extremely elaborate plan to commit suicide, to make a joke that only he got and an argument that only he understood." With the Operation Cinder stuff, and how that plays into the ST. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 14:39 on May 25, 2023 |
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Schwarzwald posted:It's not emphasized as heavily as some things in AotC, but there's a suggestion that Obi-wan might be gynophobic. He pawns the duty of protecting Padme off on Anakin while he goes on an adventure to the clone planet where human babies are produced without any loving and without any women. Maybe! He even passed on Satine...altho was close to giving it all up. 
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Vintersorg posted:Maybe! He even passed on Satine...altho was close to giving it all up. Put that way I'm wondering if it's more Obi Wan is afraid of love pulling him away from his duty. Also always a good excuse to post this bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvamRJvAB2U
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the first one didn't count because those sand people were coarse and irritating and got everywhere, and she couldn't dry herself out on top of them
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Dick too bomb. kinda weird to think about manchild "I hate sand" Anakin having actual sex with significantly more mature Padme. Is she really only supposed to be ~4 years older than him?
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Glottis posted:kinda weird to think about manchild "I hate sand" Anakin having actual sex with significantly more mature Padme. Is she really only supposed to be ~4 years older than him? She was already into electoral politics at like 12, she's all kinds of hosed up already
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The KENOBI Rewrite: Episode I: The Unseen Threat i'm going to preface this by saying it's going to be a  post about a show that isn't good but mostly for production-related reasons and i am writing a different, better plot outline that would be probably just as bad given the production the actual show got. my goals are:1. goofy as hell space adventure story featuring Obi-Wan Kenobi, funny guy 2. do the 6 episode structure mirroring the 6 movies obi-wan is in except good this time 3. make star wars fans mad as hell we open on tatooine with obi-wan doing similarly mundane, somewhat depressing stuff as he does in the show as it exists. the only significant change i'd make here is putting more emphasis on how the people around him react to obi-wan: he's clearly some guy from the central republic-now-empire that has gone as far from the core worlds as he can, but they have no clue that he's a jedi. he's not as subtle as he thinks he is, but the empire's reach is only barely starting to encroach this far out, so it hasn't been a problem so far. one day obi-wan wakes up to find a probe droid with a message for him: it's Jabba the Hutt, and he's got an offer he can't refuse. Jabba's known that Obi-Wan's been here for a while, but has let him be as a favour for saving his kid all the way back during the Clone Wars. things are changing with the Empire approaching, though, so he brings out the carrot and stick. if he does one (unspecified) task for Jabba, he'll put his significant resources towards obfuscating his presence on the planet. otherwise, he might just tell the stormtroopers where to look. obi-wan agrees, naturally. he can hardly protect and train luke if he has to run for his life around the galaxy. he leaves his and anakin's lightsabers secured in his home and sets off to jabba's palace to begin his mission. he does a little grimace as he inspects the many blasters he gets to pick from, but he does NOT say "so uncivilized". Jabba has a cool ship that's sort of like if you combined his pleasure barge with the queen's starfighter from Episode I. the mission is to escort Jabba's kid on a journey to a (again, unspecified) location, because Jabba knows something is going to go down but can't keep them at home without blowing his intelligence network to hell. he has bounty hunters on it as well, but the details he won't divulge tell him Obi-Wan is the man for the job. this is where we introduce Jakku the Hutt, who chose her new name after the ancient Hutt queen of Tatooine. (jakku is the same child as the one in clone wars, but this is not remarked upon at all. this plot beat came into existence because i forgot their name but this is way better anyway.) Jakku is a lot like Padme, except her conception of politics is based around the totalitarian Empire on the periphery of her father's domain, rather than the dumpster fire of a democracy that Luke's mom was a part of. she speaks fluent basic because dealing with the translation conventions of jabba for the whole series would be annoying, and also because it makes her less of a weird caricature than her dad is. Obi-Wan reacts to her in a way that EU fans can point at and go 'hey he's thinking about satine' and everyone else goes 'yeah she is like a hosed up padme-anakin hybrid isn't she'. the other members of Jakku's crew are a young adult Greedo (a pilot that thinks he'd be a badass bounty hunter and is hopelessly incorrect), a male twilek about her age that's a total crony to her, and a droideka with a gonk droid for a head that only says "gonk gonk". we end the episode with the reveal that the unspecified location is Alderaan. Jakku the Hutt wants to talk to Bail Organa - the father of one of her HoloNet friends that she talks about politics with - about Tatooine officially joining the Galactic Empire. Obi-Wan does NOT say 'i have a bad feeling about this'. Next Time: Episode 2: Bounty Hunters! (the exclamation point is necessary)
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So wait in this new plot line are we suggesting Obi wants to gently caress Jakku?
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Jerkface posted:So wait in this new plot line are we suggesting Obi wants to gently caress Jakku? not what i meant when i said 'thinking about satine'; the character that has romantic subtext with jakku is leia, but that'll have to wait for a future episode.
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YaketySass posted:what's up with pairing Leia with giant slugs I know first Luke then Han and then Jabba?
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Episode 2: Bounty Hunters! (the exclamation point is necessary) The crew take their trip to Alderaan without much trouble. When they arrive, it becomes clear that the grip of the Empire is tightening around the planet, but that the illusion of freedom remains. Obi-Wan and the others escort Jakku to the palace for the meeting, but is politely but firmly turned away at the door because the Alderaanian defense force has no place for bounty hunters and mercenaries. Bail Organa wonders what his old friend Jedi master Obi-Wan Kenobi is up to at the moment, but is more concerned with him and his daughter meeting a prospective Tatooine representative to the Imperial Senate than his old friend. We cut back to his, Jakku and Leia's interactions as is thematically appropriate throughout the episode. (Leia and Jakku get along great and if you tilt your head and squint you can see some parallels with anakin and padme in episode II.) R2-D2 rolls in with unexpected urgency, dragging Gonkega into whatever he's discovered, with Obi-Wan and Greedo following close behind (the other kid got let in). It's revealed to be a plot taking place in the underbelly of the royal palace, which is uncannily similar to the Kamino clone factory and the power generators beneath Theed Palace. A group of Imperial third-positionists looking to undermine the Alderaanian government in favour of more direct control is attempting to assassinate the royal family, except their scheme is insanely overcomplicated and leads right back to them if you follow the trail. Boba Fett comes barrelling in on his jetpack and blasts them all to smithereens, having tracked them here on Jabba's orders. There's a stiff moment when he spots Obi-Wan and Greedo (R2 and Gonkega are off de-sabotaging whatever the conspirators were doing), but Greedo gets out in front and starts fast-talking his way out of the situation while Obi-Wan slips off to investigate further. We get some more of R2 and Gonkega's antics because they're great. As more bounty hunters show up and things start getting completely hectic, Obi-Wan uncovers what's really going on with the plot: the Hutts are trying to sabotage the talks because none of them except Jabba want anything to do with the Empire, and they see Tatooine as the first domino in a long line leading to Imperial takeover. Jakku the Hutt is now a huge target. The rather absurd gunfight that ensues with Obi-Wan caught in the middle comes to an end when an Imperial shuttle sets down and a single unit of Stormtroopers competently and efficiently puts down dozens of squabbling bounty hunters, a stark reminder that they're not a total joke. Someone says "create a perimeter around the survivors". Greedo shows up beaten to poo poo but inspired by Boba's actions this day. Gonkega loving dies and nobody except R2 cares. The episode ends with Obi-Wan taking Jakku back to her ship, with Leia and Bail none the wiser to his presence on the planet. Jakku is impressed with the Empire's effectiveness and enthusiastic for their presence to spread to Tatooine. Obi-Wan bleakly reflects on how this will affect his ability to train Luke in secret, even with Jabba's protection. Next time: Episode III: Reach of the Empire
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Neo Rasa posted:Yeah I think the EU getting a little crowded in that time period because they want to have characters around to do stuff for awhile and also have different characters meet up with each other, making these canon video games has them run into a wall where you can't just have him kill off everyone lol I'll never forget my first playthrough of the the original KotOR which could be best summarised as "do a mission? No thanks I'll just kill you and take the thing.''
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Dysgenesis posted:I'll never forget my first playthrough of the the original KotOR which could be best summarised as "do a mission? No thanks I'll just kill you and take the thing.'' More games need to allow this lol, King's Field games similarly every key item was something an NPC had in their possession so if you wanted you could just kill everyone on sight to get the item and progress. I think only one or two in each game would ever show up again later on.
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Neo Rasa posted:More games need to allow this lol, King's Field games similarly every key item was something an NPC had in their possession so if you wanted you could just kill everyone on sight to get the item and progress. I think only one or two in each game would ever show up again later on. At times you can really tell Dark Souls was basically the game they'd been wanting to make for years.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:At times you can really tell Dark Souls was basically the game they'd been wanting to make for years. OMG yeah I love it, like if you look at King's Field? Right in the late PS1 to PS2/XBox era they suddenly made a variety of games that are all a little King's Field adjacent in their own way. Like Eternal Ring way more NPCs and puts an emphasis on equipping different rings to min/max stuff. Shadow Tower has a central "Nexus" hub tower from where you access each realm instead and you use demon's souls to upgrade your stuff, Otogi has weapon weight effect your agility and the cool little prologue blurbs for each area*. Like they all took A thing from King's Field and leaned into it, then all this stuff coalesced back together into Demon's Souls, and then they really brought it all together with Dark Souls having the interconnected world like King's Field again, loving awesome. *I wish Souls games had a bestiary the way Otogi does with all that art. Otogi in general had such a cool presentation it'd be cool to see in a Souls game. I know we get a lot of world context from item descriptions but those little snippets of info on the enemies too (and its at times almost industrial/horror soundtrack was really good stuff). Cool way to add a lot to the world like the item descriptions without spelling stuff out directly and the designs are so cool. The little blurbs for each area in Otogi and Demon's Souls were so loving cool too. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 16:21 on May 28, 2023 |
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Apparently the Screaming Corkscrew Jump poo poo scene in Palpatine’s office was going to be longer. But Lucas cut the scene down dramatically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qax1xcaW7yo
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Gonz posted:Apparently the Screaming Corkscrew Jump poo poo scene in Palpatine’s office was going to be longer. I kinda get it, people thought the movie had overly long lightsaber fight scenes already. Still, I wish for things like this where they put a lot of effort into it already they just finish producing it all the way and include it as a dvd extra or something.
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One reason a lot of the Palpatine fight was pared down from the stunt vis was due to Lucas deciding, on the day of shooting, that he wanted to film the sequence with a lot of closeups, which meant they couldn't rely as much on the stunt double and only had a few hours to teach Ian McDiarmid a simplified version of the choreography. They did still end up using the stunt double quite a lot, but because of how the fight was filmed, the CG head replacement looks pretty ropey at times.  Compare with the CG Dooku which, while still not great looking, was in a sequence that was filmed from futher away, so the CGI head replacement was a lot less prominent in frame.  Another reason for the sequence being cut down was due to the way the film was being re-edited and reshot. Originally, Anakin was there to see the whole thing rather than just arriving at the end when Mace had Palaptine beaten, which meant cutting around Anakin's presence. There's still a remnant of this original version of the scene in the finished movie too - rather than using the lightsaber that was up his sleeve earlier in the scene, Palaptine is clearly using Anakin's weapon during the fight.  
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Robot Style posted:rather than using the lightsaber that was up his sleeve earlier in the scene, Palaptine is clearly using Anakin's weapon during the fight. Whoa.
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Since tie-in merchandise needs a long time to prepare ahead of the movie's release, one of the Palpatine action figures was even released with Anakin's lightsaber instead of his own. The tie-in video game also had a seemingly odd bit where Anakin and Mace actually have a duel in Palpatine's office , but rather than it happening in the big red room, they actually travel back to the smaller antechamber in a cutscene and have the duel there - which kind of makes sense if they started making the level under the assumption that Anakin would be there from the start, and then had to hastily cobble together a cutscene to link what they'd already built with the changes to the story.
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SO the lightsaber in Force Awakens was actually Palpatine's all along.
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Star Wars literally began with the Emperor. The earliest known writing Lucas did for the project was a list of sci-fi character names, and the one at the top of the page - the first thing that came to mind when he put pencil to paper to start building a new universe, was "Emperor Ford Xerxes XII".
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Robot Style posted:Star Wars literally began with the Emperor. The earliest known writing Lucas did for the project was a list of sci-fi character names, and the one at the top of the page - the first thing that came to mind when he put pencil to paper to start building a new universe, was "Emperor Ford Xerxes XII". Just think, we could've had Ford Sheev Cos Dashitt Xerxes XII but nooooo
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Robot Style posted:Star Wars literally began with the Emperor. The earliest known writing Lucas did for the project was a list of sci-fi character names, and the one at the top of the page - the first thing that came to mind when he put pencil to paper to start building a new universe, was "Emperor Ford Xerxes XII". now thats a username
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Imagine the emperor as Xerxes as depicted in 300. A half-naked seven foot tall muscle man booming "AH YES A JEDI'S WEAPON MUCH LIKE YOUR FATHER'S"
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2house2fly posted:Imagine the emperor as Xerxes as depicted in 300. A half-naked seven foot tall muscle man booming "AH YES A JEDI'S WEAPON MUCH LIKE YOUR FATHER'S" I feel like Snoke was halfway there. Take that golden robe down, and the Persian party begins... Except for the whole, you know, horribly scarred part.
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That's actually not too far off from what the concept artist who came up with his final design was thinking - that he was like a marble statue who used to be very attractive, but then had decayed as the dark side consumed him.
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2house2fly posted:Imagine the emperor as Xerxes as depicted in 300. A half-naked seven foot tall muscle man booming "AH YES A JEDI'S WEAPON MUCH LIKE YOUR FATHER'S" *Luke about to throw his lightsabre away, looks Xerxes over and pockets it again*
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Robot Style posted:That's actually not too far off from what the concept artist who came up with his final design was thinking - that he was like a marble statue who used to be very attractive, but then had decayed as the dark side consumed him. I kind of like the concept of Snoke as an insanely wealthy man, drawing out the war and funding extremist to keep earning his credits. No force powers, just someone who the dark side has leeched energy from because he's such a loving selfish prick. Instead we just got lovely not-Shiv and even that only lasted until the reveal.
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$ith lord
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The difference between a Sith Lord and a billionaire is basically academic. i spent a few minutes the other day sketching out a version of the prequels where palpatine isn't a sith lord and dropped it pretty quickly when i realised how little changes. you replace maul with jango fett, dooku has to adjust his rhetoric a bit, and the jedi trying to arrest palpatine all get gunned down by clones (with anakin arriving at the last minute as per usual), but the actual narrative being told is intact.
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