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value-brand cereal posted:If the person who's looking for horror set in the Appalachias is still here, I found another one. Brand new, just released. Am I still here? I've always been here.
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I've been enjoying the British Library short story collections called Tales of the Weird. It's a project they've had since 2018, going through the archives for stuff which hasn't been republished since the 19th or early 20th century and for some lesser published stories. The books have a theme, whether it's religious ghost stories, stories about the god Pan or horror stories written by women. Physically the books are of great quality and also cheap.
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Finished All the Fiends of Hell last night and really enjoyed it. The whole setup of the "invasion" is great, a conceit that ensures nowhere feels safe, and the environment is quite evocative. I remember thinking several times over the course of it, "this feels like a book written expressly to get picked up and become a horror movie," and the afterword confirms that it was originally a screenplay - hopefully it does get a film adaptation one day, because it would be perfect for that. I also appreciated this bit from the afterword: "Artistically, I'm not interested in romantic love, and choosing not to write about it is tremendously liberating in a culture obsessed with love. Human relationships are myriad, so why not write about all of the other types?" I've harped on this enough in the SF/F thread so I won't repeat it here, but I feel him on this one. Has Nevill written anything else worth checking out?
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Kestral posted:Finished All the Fiends of Hell last night and really enjoyed it. The whole setup of the "invasion" is great, a conceit that ensures nowhere feels safe, and the environment is quite evocative. I remember thinking several times over the course of it, "this feels like a book written expressly to get picked up and become a horror movie," and the afterword confirms that it was originally a screenplay - hopefully it does get a film adaptation one day, because it would be perfect for that. I really like House of Small Shadows and haven't seen it mentioned much online, so maybe it's just me. The first half of The Ritual is good but the back half really falls apart fast, so... uh... I kind of anti-recommend it. The movie is better IMO I haven't read any other Nevill myself but I've heard good things about Last Days
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Kestral posted:Finished All the Fiends of Hell last night and really enjoyed it. The whole setup of the "invasion" is great, a conceit that ensures nowhere feels safe, and the environment is quite evocative. I remember thinking several times over the course of it, "this feels like a book written expressly to get picked up and become a horror movie," and the afterword confirms that it was originally a screenplay - hopefully it does get a film adaptation one day, because it would be perfect for that. I can't ever see this title without singing it to myself like the beginning of "California Dreamin"
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MNIMWA posted:Last Days was good and scary. Reddening kinda sucked IMO and I have not read the Ritual yet but the movie was solid. I wouldn't bother reading Ritual honestly, the movie keeps the best bits and excises a bunch of poorly-paced nonsense that didn't really work or resolve well
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I quite liked The Reddening, the prehistoric angle is done better than some others and it gets across how unsettling Devon is. Wyrd and Other Derelictions is an interesting one, it’s a collection of vignettes or, like, motionless written tableaus set just after something happened. Here’s some bloodstains, a door that looks like it was kicked down, some footprints disappearing off into the woods, for example. They don’t all work but it’s an interesting concept.
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MockingQuantum posted:I really like House of Small Shadows and haven't seen it mentioned much online, so maybe it's just me. The first half of The Ritual is good but the back half really falls apart fast, so... uh... I kind of anti-recommend it. The movie is better IMO House of Small Shadows and Under A Watchful Eye haunt me No one gets out alive is also good (the man cannot write a title to save his life)
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And there, I've just finished reading Lovecraft's the Dunwich Horror. What a frightful story! Lovecraft seems to believe that if people see a freaky goo fish goat abomination unto god type of thing, they'll swoon! Meanwhile in reality they find something like that -  and write about it and draw little pictures of it, so that future generations can know about the weird-rear end poo poo in the sea. Then, once we have the technology, we'll go to the bottom of the ocean to take photos of it. Humans love weird poo poo! But - well, that silliness aside, what a fun story! Spooky evil wizard lives in rural country and does evil rites and his poor daughter (I feel for her, I wish she weren't a tragic baby-making plot device) suffers - and then the weird evil boy who spends all his time researching magic and being menaced by dogs. (I hated the dog death in this story, but it wasn't graphic and I respect the dogs going "this thing is WEIRD" and barking at it, because dogs are good like that.) It was also a fairly...telling thing, when the evil son goes to the library and is denied access to a book based entirely upon the librarian's racism. Racism that hits so hard he calls literally every other library in the state and gets the dude banned. God, it's weird reading the story and wanting to read it straight - that librarian saved everyone's lives, his research led to a cool rear end demon banishing sequence, he did good work as a custodian of the necronomicon - but I also want to read it with empathy and it's tragic. The boy is mauled to death by a dog, and condemned for the crime of wanting to read a book. What's he after? Magic (technology) that will help him get himself and his brother off of this stinking rock and back into space, to be with people who will understand and not shun him. Imagine being an alien living on earth, hated by dogs, hated by librarians. Different from those around you, and persecuted for it. What a weird story. I enjoyed it, and I'm glad I read it.
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StrixNebulosa posted:And there, I've just finished reading Lovecraft's the Dunwich Horror. What a frightful story! Lovecraft seems to believe that if people see a freaky goo fish goat abomination unto god type of thing, they'll swoon! Meanwhile in reality they find something like that - My friends and I are playing Arkham Horror: The Card Game, a cooperative card game where you do pulp horror adventures in the 1920s. We're doing The Dunwich Legacy campaign, which is like an interactive sequel to The Dunwich Horror. It's been years since I read the original story, but I recognize many of the characters from it. Throughout the campaign we've also acquired Dr. Henry Armitage, Francis Morgan, and Warren Rice in some of our decks. I should have reread it and had my friends read it before we started. The Dunwich Legacy is the first real campaign in the game after the short unrelated tutorial campaign, so I recommend it to anyone who is in the Venn diagram overlap of gaming nerd and horror nerd.
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LifeLynx posted:My friends and I are playing Arkham Horror: The Card Game, a cooperative card game where you do pulp horror adventures in the 1920s. We're doing The Dunwich Legacy campaign, which is like an interactive sequel to The Dunwich Horror. It's been years since I read the original story, but I recognize many of the characters from it. Throughout the campaign we've also acquired Dr. Henry Armitage, Francis Morgan, and Warren Rice in some of our decks. I should have reread it and had my friends read it before we started. Oh, don't worry, I've gone fully down this rabbit hole: I started playing Shadows of Forbidden Gods, which is about serving an elder god in a generic fantasy world and spreading the cult and trying to set up the world for apocalypse before the stars unalign, and I got into it so much I started an LP of it. This got me back on a "I was reading Lovecraft, I want to do more of that" kick and so I've read the Shadow over Innsmouth, Dreams in the Witchhouse, Dunwich Horror, and I'm working on Call of Cthulhu now. Which then led to me reading the tabletop rpg Call of Cthulhu, checking out rules for solo play, and writing up some fun stuff in that setting... which led to more googling, which led to learning about Arkham Horror. So now, with the aid of tabletop simulator, I've played Arkham Horror 2E, 3E, Mansions of Madness 2E, Eldritch Horror, Elder Sign, and Arkham Horror LCG and I have opinions on all of the games and how they work in solo play. It's been a lot of, well, effort for me as I'm not familiar with board games and learning rules and keeping them in my head as I play is a fun mental exercise - especially AH 2E which is a goddamn baggy mess of a game (and more fun for it imho!) It's all solo play, but my god they're all fun, and using Lovecraft's Mythos stuff as a pulpy horror setting is SO much fun? Here's a cult, doing evil! Investigate, stop them! Learn about weird stuff written by authors you've never heard of (Donald Wandrei creating fire vampires!) Learn about this huge expansive universe of games and fiction! Keep reading the original stories from good ol' Lovecraft himself and marvel at his overwrought but effective prose. Get yourself back into some video games with Frogwares' Sinking City (a fun if janky take on Innsmouth), and then sideways into Sherlock Holmes via crossovers (Frogwares' Sherlock Holmes: the Awakened is a JANKY with some fun adventure into Sherlock trying to stop cthulhu), and then back around into reading Sherlock Holmes stories - and even more sideways into the Call of Cthulhu TTRPG scenario, Horror on the Orient Express, which takes me to watching the 1978 Murder on the Orient Express (a masterpiece of a movie) and now I'm down into rereading Agatha Christie and watching David Suchet because this is the best place to be. I fully expect that within a week I'll be rereading PG Wodehouse because Poirot stories are (kind of) set in the upper-class British twit society before WWII and I can't think of a better twit than Bertie Wooster. But first I have to say: they're making a Horror on the Orient Express board game and I tested the demo of that on TTS and it's a delightful chaotic mess, much like Arkham Horror but with tighter design. ... and thinking about the Orient Express is going to lead me right back to rewatching the brilliant LP of The Last Express, an adventure game set on said train. So, ahem, to come full circle: I've been playing the Night of the Zealots beginner scenario in Arkham Horror LCG solo with four investigators and it's a mess of bookkeeping but super thematic and fun as Roland swoops in to save Skids from ghouls, guns blazing, as Agnes casts more horrifying spells and loses her sanity, and Daisy draws the drat Necronomicon AGAIN and oh I need to retune those decks and start the first expansion...
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Far and away the best mix of story and mechanics of the Arkham Horror LCG sets, of which I've played all but the latest campaign box with a full four person group over the last few years, is Edge of the Earth. If you play no other, do that one. Dunwich and Circle Undone were fun enough we replayed them via Return To boxes, Carcosa and Innsmouth were kind of messy but generally good. Dream Eaters was bad, though it didn't exactly have good source material to work from, the implementation of the story as disjointed short games was deeply unsatisfying but also the prose sections were bizarrely difficult for me to read aloud. Something about the sentence structure and choice of words was constantly wrong footing me, like it was written by an alien. Not sure if that was somehow deliberate but it did not have the effect I think it may have been going for. Forgotten Ages is like a prototype for Edge of the Earth that just isn't as good at all. Playing FA after EotE would have been miserable. Still ruminating on Scarlett Keys after finishing it two weeks back, but probably better than Innsmouth but worse than Carcosa. We start Hemlock Vale on Tuesday night. Slyphic fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jul 26, 2024 |
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StrixNebulosa posted:Oh, don't worry, I've gone fully down this rabbit hole: Yeah I thought I recognized your name from some of the TG thread discussions. I haven't played any of the other Arkham Files games but I'm looking to fix that as soon as my friends get back from GenCon and we finish Dunwich. Slyphic posted:Far and away the best mix of story and mechanics of the Arkham Horror LCG sets, of which I've played all but the latest campaign box with a full four person group over the last few years, is Edge of the Earth. If you play no other, do that one. Carcosa is the one that has the best mix of story and mechanics, and the story is built into the Doubt vs. Conviction mechanic in so many subtle ways. Edge of the Earth is probably the second easiest campaign overall so it is good for beginners despite some added mechanics and gigantic maps. Hemlock Vale is very good, and also very difficult. It made me want to reread The Colour Out of Space. I'm trying not to gush about my favorite game in the Horror Book thread, but most of the campaigns are based on some excellent horror stories.
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MockingQuantum posted:I wouldn't bother reading Ritual honestly, the movie keeps the best bits and excises a bunch of poorly-paced nonsense that didn't really work or resolve well Adam Nevill is very good but his works can also be quite experimental and it doesn't always work out. The Vessel is a good example of his more experimental stuff: he took an existing screenplay that hadn't made it into production and said: "what if I transform this into a novel, but keep it as fast flowing and surface level as if it were a film (no omniscient narrator, no access to the character's internal thoughts etc). It would've made a pretty good film, got to say.
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Kestral posted:Finished Bunker Dogs and yeah, that goes places. I'm not sure I can actually recommend it, because it's definitely an amateur outing in the self-published web serial tier of prose, and it badly needed an editor, but I'm also a prose snob and with horror we're often in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation. It's a fun concept that reads fast, like the web serials and related stuff like Cradle, but the execution needs work. That said, I'm actually going to suggest it to one of the voracious young horror readers I know, so take the criticism with a grain of salt. I loved this book. I didn’t see the editing problems so much, just a few silly errors (the author clearly doesn’t know how bullets work but it’s just a minor part of one scene). What stood out to me was that it threw my expectations in the same way the movie Hereditary did, and ended up as something that reminded me a lot of Library at Mt Char.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I loved this book. I didn’t see the editing problems so much, just a few silly errors (the author clearly doesn’t know how bullets work but it’s just a minor part of one scene). What stood out to me was that it threw my expectations in the same way the movie Hereditary did, and ended up as something that reminded me a lot of Library at Mt Char. It’s one of my favs this year because it just progressively gets more crazy. I liked the flashbacks with the family dynamics more than the actual plot progression I think. I love a book that makes me consistently think wait what?
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Are there any good horror/gumshoe noir crossovers? Dashiell Hammett meets Lovecraft?
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Wachter posted:Are there any good horror/gumshoe noir crossovers? Dashiell Hammett meets Lovecraft? Kiernan's Black Helicopter trilogy might qualify I think Laird Barron also works in this space Vandermeer's Hummingbird Salamander is also proximate to your needs
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Tiny Timbs posted:Library at Mt Char. Library at Mount Char loving RULED hell yeah
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Wachter posted:Are there any good horror/gumshoe noir crossovers? Dashiell Hammett meets Lovecraft? Falling Angel definitely fits the bill.
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One of the books named Last Days is a solid horror story about a gumshoe running down iirc a missing person in a cult. But damned if I can ever remember which of the three horror novels from the mid 2010s named Last Days that was. Lazy rear end publishers...
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Slyphic posted:One of the books named Last Days is a solid horror story about a gumshoe running down iirc a missing person in a cult. But damned if I can ever remember which of the three horror novels from the mid 2010s named Last Days that was. Lazy rear end publishers... Brian Evenson's amazing Last Days
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filmcynic posted:Falling Angel definitely fits the bill. Who is it by? I checked Amazon but it got swamped out by dozens of romance novels with that in the title
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Wachter posted:Are there any good horror/gumshoe noir crossovers? Dashiell Hammett meets Lovecraft? I wouldn't describe them as noir, but David Hambling has a series of books and assorted short stories about a boxer-turned-gumshoe, called Harry Stubbs, punching the bejesus out of assorted Lovecraftian nasties in interbellum London. Might scratch your itch. Lots of period detail, some nicely drawn characters, and Stubbsy is a pleasantly self-deprecating narrator.
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Wachter posted:Are there any good horror/gumshoe noir crossovers? Dashiell Hammett meets Lovecraft? Seconding Last Days by Evenson. Michael Cisco's Wretch of The Sun The Supernatural Noir collection (but not the Hardboiled Horror one) Peter Straub's Mystery is horror but not supernatural the comic Fatale by Ed Brubaker Joe Golem and the Drowning City by Mike Mignola and Christopher Golden Forum fave, The Gone World Children of Chicago by Cynthia Pelayo Tom Piccirilli came up a lot in my searches but YMMV From this goodreads list: https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/noir-horror Mexican Horror by Silvia Moreno-Garcia Silver John posted:Who is it by? I checked Amazon but it got swamped out by dozens of romance novels with that in the title William Hjortsberg It was made into a movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKzekw3xn8
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fez_machine posted:William Hjortsberg Thank you for picking up my slack. It's a terrific book, even if you're familiar with the movie.
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value-brand cereal posted:If the person who's looking for horror set in the Appalachias is still here, I found another one. Brand new, just released. Pardon the late response, but just wanted to give a shout-out to Jere Cunningham's 1983 novel The Abyss, in which some Tennessee coal miners realize that they might have dug just a bit too deep. I found a used copy a few years back, and was impressed at the pains it took to establish the characters and town, before going full-tilt Apocalyptic. It was just reissued under the Paperbacks from Hell line (complete with a Grady Hendrix intro), so it should be easy to find.
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It's not the Appalachians, but Robert McCammon's Usher's Passing has a good but of hillbilly horror in. It's also a drat good read. Must replace my copy if I can, it's nearly 40 years old and on its last legs.
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Another day, another Lovecraft story read: Call of Cthulhu finally finished. My overall opinion of it is that while it was a neat read and had some really cool sci-fi/horror concepts in it, and ramming Cthulhu with a boat owned, ultimately I really didn't want to learn a new-to-me racial slur. I could have done without that.
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Unfortunately thisStrixNebulosa posted:I really didn't want to learn a new-to-me racial slur. I could have done without that. could have basically been the thread title for the old Cosmic Horror thread at times. It's a pity because some of Lovecraft's stories are still really excellent but deserve some pretty big caveats for a modern reader encountering them for the first time. Shadow Over Innsmouth is pretty cringeworthy in modern context, and Horror at Red Hook is very rough. If you read the latter, definitely read Ballad of Black Tom too, it's a really interesting recontextualization of it.
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MockingQuantum posted:Unfortunately this me, beginning to read this works: "well I know he's racist but how bad can it be?" his works: racist in the text, racist in the themes, racist in the plot, racist in the characters, racist in the subplots, racist in basically every possible angle it is possible to be Absolutely fascinating. Like, not to beat a dead horse, I know everyone knows about Lovecraft: The Most Problematic Horror Author, but it was surprising to me how, uh, aggressively he baked it into everything he wrote. I've read Shadow over Innsmouth (whew), Dunwich Horror, Call of Cthulhu, Dreams of the Witch-House, and a few shorter ones so far and there's actually good writing in there with some great horror-sci-fi concepts, but he cannot go more than a page without applying something about degenerate inbred stock or [racial slur] or swarthy evil foreigner and it's a trial to read. "strix you could read something else" my entire brain is absorbed into this hyperfixation on Call of Cthulhu / Arkham Horror and Sherlock Holmes, and I've been curious about this stuff for ages, so nope, I have a list of Lovecraft stuff I want to read and I'm gonna get through it. I feel like I'm preparing fugu though, but damnit, I am going to harvest the cool ideas from these stories, acknowledge the shittiness that is Lovecraft, and then squint at some of these Call of Cthulhu adventures which uh, didn't need to follow in his footsteps so closely. Then I'll get back to my solo rpg stuff and boardgames and card games. I am balancing this with reading Sherlock Holmes himself (Hound of the Baskervilles! another tale of bloodlines and evil monsters) and Kate Elliott's Cold Magic and those are much nicer. ps once I finish my list of Lovecraft stories I intend to try some of his contemporaries - continue my Conan read (this, uh, has some problematic content too!), check out Derleth, and other people who worked on the Mythos. Fire vampires didn't come from nowhere, after all.
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Strix, you might want to take a break and go to At the Mountains of Madness. It's much less "The Scary Italian", and far too "other" to actually be racist.
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StrixNebulosa posted:me, beginning to read this works: "well I know he's racist but how bad can it be?" Honestly you've hit some of the worst ones (that are still worth reading) iirc. An important bit of context that sometimes gets glossed over when talking about how racist/xenophobic Lovecraft was is the fact that he was extremely racist/xenophobic by the standards of his time, not just compared to contemporary attitudes. There's still lots of good Lovecraft to hit though, I'd agree with Jedit that At the Mountains of Madness is probably a big enough change from what you've read that it's a good diversion. The Shadow out of Time, The Thing on the Doorstep, The Whisperer in Darkness, and The Colour out of TIme are all good and I don't recall much racism/sexism/other-isms in them (though the last one has a bit of "scary hillbilly" energy). I would not waste your time with Derleth, his stuff is dire and he completely missed the point of what makes Lovecraft's stories scary/interesting, it all just turns into a thinly veiled Good vs. Evil dichotomy with the Elder Ones and Old Ones, and he's just not a very good writer to boot. Derleth's only real contribution is publishing Lovecraft's work when nobody else was that interested, and Chaosium/Fantasy Flight stealing a bunch of monsters from his works, but effectively in name only. If you want more interesting mythos-adjacent stuff I'd recommend Clark Ashton Smith a thousand times before anything Derleth wrote, he was another contemporary of Lovecraft's and contributed a lot of stuff that shows up in CoC-related games, like Tsathoggua. Also Lovecraft named a sorcerer in The Whisperer in Darkness "Klarkash-Ton" so there you go.
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The letters Lovecraft wrote near the end of his life were interesting. He seemed to really despise his earlier views, the way someone nowadays might come across an old social media post of theirs and go "augh! what??". But his disagreements with his prior self were not specific enough to know if he actually became less racist. There's more evidence that his political and economic views changed a lot near the end.
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Jedit posted:Strix, you might want to take a break and go to At the Mountains of Madness. It's much less "The Scary Italian", and far too "other" to actually be racist. On it! Let's see now... quote:The hitherto withheld photographs, both ordinary and ærial, will count in my favor, for they are damnably vivid and graphic. Still, they will be doubted because of the great lengths to which clever fakery can be carried. Eerily prophetic, although I suspect he had no idea how fast we'd advance to photoshop/AI/deepfakes...
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Ccs posted:The letters Lovecraft wrote near the end of his life were interesting. He seemed to really despise his earlier views, the way someone nowadays might come across an old social media post of theirs and go "augh! what??". But his disagreements with his prior self were not specific enough to know if he actually became less racist. There's more evidence that his political and economic views changed a lot near the end. There's certainly evidence that he realized the polite thing to do would be to keep his views to himself as he got older, if nothing else. Hard to say how measured his views became, but yeah a lot of his later letters at least feel more chill in some ways. I guess it's no surprise that a guy who largely invented an entire subgenre of horror was just freaked out by anything and everything unfamiliar. It's not drastically different (though different in pretty important ways) from Thomas Ligotti--another guy who created some truly unique horror, probably largely as an expression of his general hate/unease about... well, everything and everyone, it seems. Also stomach problems.
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