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uh suggestion retracted, do not remember that in Providence but wouldn't dispute it being in other Moore poo poo
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alf_pogs posted:depending on your tolerance for Alan Moore, his series Providence might be worth a crack. one of my favorite Lovecraft 'remixes' and deconstructions Under no circumstances buy or read this. It contains depictions of CSA.
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Jul 31, 2024 07:12
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Jedit posted:Under no circumstances buy or read this. It contains depictions of CSA. so does a lot of valid art, including a lot of horror? depiction isn't endorsement Providence is good
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Jedit posted:Under no circumstances buy or read this. It contains depictions of CSA. are you trying to imply that depiction equals endorsement in the horror thread
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value-brand cereal fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Mar 26, 2025 |
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Aug 2, 2024 17:37
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Wachter posted:Are there any good horror/gumshoe noir crossovers? Dashiell Hammett meets Lovecraft? I’m super late, but John Connolly’s Charlie Parker series is definitely horror/gumshoe. Maybe not so much of the Lovecraft variety—more biblical horror.
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Holy cow I totally forgot about the Charlie Parker series. I think I read the first 4-5 books some years ago, I’m gonna get back into it I think. I’m currently listening to the audio book version of Between Two Fires, it’s wild.
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I just read a non-horror novel from an author I loved, and totally soured on it because there were multiple scenes of graphic sexual violence. [The author is Larry Brown, the book is Father and Son] There's a weird contingent of people in the horror / splatterpunk community who read poo poo like Tampa (Alissa Nutting) or The Groomer (Jon Athan) in which the author is pretty much writing their own fantastical depictions of rape or CSA. And personally, it makes me wonder about people and society. There's a line to be drawn, you can tell a horrific story but do it with subtlety and not with depictions that are more than likely a source of voyeurism to someone. I simply don't have the time for that dreck at my age. It's awful to me. So I appreciate those content warnings, but it's not because I am going to be "triggered" or anything. It helps me avoid the irredeemable.
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Aug 2, 2024 23:49
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Jedit posted:Under no circumstances buy or read this. It contains depictions of CSA. The quoted post above isn't written like a trigger warning. escape artist posted:I just read a non-horror novel from an author I loved, and totally soured on it because there were multiple scenes of graphic sexual violence. [The author is Larry Brown, the book is Father and Son] Yeah that's why I can never get into The Boys or really anything Garth Ennis writes or has inspired. It's gore and suffering porn and either makes me really concerned for the writer or really thankful they have a non-violent outlet for their depraved thoughts. But I don't have to read it.
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escape artist posted:There's a weird contingent of people in the horror / splatterpunk community who read poo poo like Tampa (Alissa Nutting)
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Slyphic posted:Nabokov sure wrote a great first page and then nothing else after that was anywhere near as beautiful and just the thinnest veneer of a metaphor over fawning CSA. Anyway, from the previous recs I picked up fez_machine posted:Michael Cisco's Wretch of The Sun
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Aug 3, 2024 14:49
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Mountains of Madness: lovecraft i am begging you i do not care about your arctic expedition tell me about the spooky mountains already!!! (The amount of research and care poured into this is pretty neat tho, dude clearly loved reading about Shackleton and co)
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Slyphic posted:gently caress it, I'll cop to having read Tampa. Though I really have to ask here what the hell all it has to do with horror or splatterpunk? That's more like there's some people that read stuff other than horror/splatter which doesn't really say anything at all about the horror community other than it's not exclusionary or something. I read it after reading about half of Lolita during a high literature binge. Nabokov sure wrote a great first page and then nothing else after that was anywhere near as beautiful and just the thinnest veneer of a metaphor over fawning CSA. Tampa, which had just come out at the time, was billed to me as a modern retelling of the same story but with the genders swapped and after my disgust with Lolita I wanted to see what all the praise was about. What Nutting actually wrote was ugly and vulgar, and little more than a Letter to Penthouse with a bad ending. Tampa has gently caress all to do with horror. I grouped it into horror because A) I heard it recommended from a very popular horror author. B) it's mentioned constantly in a lot of horror groups. To be fair, I only listened to the first 30 minutes of it before turning it off, so my opinion is prejudiced, I suppose. It may have been unfair to group that in. The Nabokov book has no depiction of the actual acts, whereas Tampa, I believe, seems to bask in it. It might've been more accurate to go after just Jon Athan, since I believe he's done that in multiple books, not just one. Anyway, I don't wanna derail this great thread with anymore unpleasantness. Anyone read Bury Your Gays yet?
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StrixNebulosa posted:Mountains of Madness: lovecraft i am begging you i do not care about your arctic expedition tell me about the spooky mountains already!!! Oh drat, that actually makes me want to read Mountains of Madness, I genuinely love pedantic details about polar expeditions.
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Aug 3, 2024 15:30
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Slyphic posted:Nabokov sure wrote a great first page and then nothing else after that was anywhere near as beautiful and just the thinnest veneer of a metaphor over fawning CSA. oh?
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DurianGray posted:Oh drat, that actually makes me want to read Mountains of Madness, I genuinely love pedantic details about polar expeditions. Happy to say that it has a properly formatted ebook here: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/h-p-lovecraft/at-the-mountains-of-madness I'm talking about segments like this one: quote:Wireless reports have spoken of the breathtaking, four-hour, nonstop flight of our squadron on November 21st over the lofty shelf ice, with vast peaks rising on the west, and the unfathomed silences echoing to the sound of our engines. and like, this is neat to picture and stuff, but oh my gosh I am struggling. Give me something weird, not more geological details! e: I am not giving enough credit to Lovecraft in this though, I had literally never thought about Antarctica as an unexplored region (which it was at the time of his writing it) and it's so.... so weird to think about having to explore it.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Happy to say that it has a properly formatted ebook here: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/h-p-lovecraft/at-the-mountains-of-madness Thanks for the link! Yeah it's wild that it's only a relatively recent development that we have maps that are as accurate as they are. So much stuff was still guess work just 100 years ago, especially Antarctica. I'd also make an argument that a lot of the various real-life polar expedition disaster accounts are basically non-fiction horror, which is definitely part of what makes them so interesting to me. Also makes me wish I'd enjoyed All the White Spaces by Ally Wilkes more since it's basically just "Pseudo-Shackleton expedition gone wrong, but with spooky supernatural stuff" and the pitch is right up my alley, but the execution didn't stick the landing for me. I have her second book that sounds similar (just set earlier and around the North Pole) but haven't read it because it sounds too similar to a horror book I've been trying to write myself lol.
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DurianGray posted:Thanks for the link! Yeah it's wild that it's only a relatively recent development that we have maps that are as accurate as they are. So much stuff was still guess work just 100 years ago, especially Antarctica. Ah, it's me and Dan Simmons' Terror. Franklin's Lost Expedition is one of the scariest things I've ever read, so having a skilled author try rewriting it but with more supernatural horror sounded amazing... except that I was immediately skeeved away because he kept describing the pubic hair of a native girl on the expedition. I knew he'd lost his mind in 2001, but not that he became willing to write, uh, that. Speaking of similar nonfiction horror, have you read In the Heart of the Sea by Nathaniel Philbrick?
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StrixNebulosa posted:Ah, it's me and Dan Simmons' Terror. Franklin's Lost Expedition is one of the scariest things I've ever read, so having a skilled author try rewriting it but with more supernatural horror sounded amazing... except that I was immediately skeeved away because he kept describing the pubic hair of a native girl on the expedition. I knew he'd lost his mind in 2001, but not that he became willing to write, uh, that. Oh whew, yeah, I absolutely love the first season of The Terror tv show that adapted the book, but haven't read it because I've seen a lot of people mention that and some other stuff that the show either left out (for good reason) or just handled way better. I also love In the Heart of the Sea! (Speaking of movie/tv adaptations though, that one is bewilderingly bad/weird). I read it right before I read Moby Dick and it was great to have the extra context already in mind. Oh, and if you're into Franklin stuff and haven't read it yet, Frozen in Time (about the autopsies of the 3 Franklin expedition ice mummies) is really neat and it's where the lead poisoning hypothesis came from.
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I read Hyperion by Simmons, loved it (and I'd also recommend it for horror fans despite it being a bit more a mix of genres) then found out more about the guy and haven't really bothered with anything else of his. The Terror TV show was sick tho
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The Terror is like, 50% a very good horror novel, 25% padding, and 25% Dan Simmons being kind of batshit insane and homophobic. In a better writer's hands it would be a stone-cold classic, as is it's a little hard to recommend. The ending also goes some truly weird places, though not exactly in an entertaining way, just a weird, uncomfortable, baffling way.
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Yeah, I read Terror this winter and I loved most of it, but it sure does do some things and go some places. Definitely a book I Enjoyed that is also tough to recommend, and also way too long
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How faithful an adaptation is the TV version of The Terror? That show was great.
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Like, 75% or so. They obviously had to trim a lot down so there are cuts, some stuff gets expanded a bit, and some things are the same but get moved around. They changed the ending mostly for the better
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The show also ditches a lot of the nonsense around the main antagonist being depicted as kind of a degenerate gay man, but wait it's totally okay because Simmons also includes a wise, old gay man who has a chaste relationship with a younger protegee too edit: too long is right too, I wasn't kidding when I said it's like 1/4 padding. There's a lot of book that just doesn't need to be there and just kind of retreads the stakes over and over again. It makes the ending all that much more baffling and out of left field because it's such a long walk to get to it
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He will go on for multiple pages describing all the different kinds of boats in detail, and does it like 3 or 4 times. He's like Crichton where he still manages to make it interesting enough, but the bloat is pretty obvious. It may be the longest book I've ever read but I think Shogun is a little longer. I'd still say it's worth a read, but it's definitely not something I'm ever going to read again
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Slyphic posted:One of the books named Last Days is a solid horror story about a gumshoe running down iirc a missing person in a cult. But damned if I can ever remember which of the three horror novels from the mid 2010s named Last Days that was. Lazy rear end publishers... Last Days by Adam Nevill? I read a few of his books (well, listened) and this is the one enjoyed most. I've also read the Reddening and Cunning Folk, both of which enjoyed less because it didn't seem like anything was really happening besides the good guys trying to survive/thwart the bad guys. Last Days was legitimately a good read and things were moving, there was a thread of consequences in that one vs the others. Can anyone rec a horror novel with good plot unity? Tired of these survival style books that don't have much story beyond the trying to survive part
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caspergers posted:Last Days by Adam Nevill? I read a few of his books (well, listened) and this is the one enjoyed most. I've also read the Reddening and Cunning Folk, both of which enjoyed less because it didn't seem like anything was really happening besides the good guys trying to survive/thwart the bad guys. Last Days was legitimately a good read and things were moving, there was a thread of consequences in that one vs the others. Read Evanson
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caspergers posted:Can anyone rec a horror novel with good plot unity? Tired of these survival style books that don't have much story beyond the trying to survive part
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Finished Tingle's Bury Your Gays. Incredible read. Much lighter than Camp Damascus, but never into full on farce like his erotica books. My partner attended his book signing event and detailed how Tingle claimed is his real identity is "someone who worked in the movie industry on some things people probably know, but much happier not doing those things anymore." And you do kind of feel something real in these Hollywood circles these characters navigate through. Phony execs, sure, but there's so much time spent with the everyday people in the Hollywood workforce who aren't unknowns, but not big time successes. Just the different editors and set design people and tech security people. Its a real fun set-up. Camp Damascus also really captured Montana small towns really acutely. There's some time spent in different Montana spaces that felt even more pronounced and familiar to me and really confirmed for me that he was telling the truth about growing up here. Light monster spoilers but not the full context behind them: The monsters rule. Every single one is so distinct but so interesting to follow around, with different rules and weaknesses to think about. Mrs. Why following all orders but still finding ways to leave trauma in her wake, the Bride leaning into slasher terror, the Lamb just up and eating people who show too much kindness, but also the Smoking Man just being completely flummoxed when forced to engage with reality. It highlights the real rule of the monsters: all they know how to do is regurgitate scripts. When your Ring-style, slow haunting over seven days monster just gets punched in the face, he has no idea how to improvise when he's out of his normal genre. It rules! But the extra layer of figuring out what each monster means to the man who wrote them into existence is always a fun character reveal. It adds to the world and the characters and just ties everything up nicely. Full spoilers: Kind of a weak final act? The big swivel to the new nanomachine plans is fun, but it kind of cuts some tension out of the story for me when the characters are just walking up to the AI to do a speech at it. It was a fun enough ride that it didn't bother me too much, I just wish there was more horror in my horror finale. That said, the final visual of just a nanomachine forest decaying across miles is too gorgeous an image to ignore, so I'm overall satisfied. I definitely think Damascus is a stronger book, but I think this cemented for me that Tingle's really got a solid horror juice. He's making that Jordan Peele comedy to horror pivot and its really working for me.
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I read Between Two Fires, which loving rules, and went on to read some more Buehlman, but want to to expand outside of his work. I saw Red Rabbit recommended here, but are there other books that would be a good place to go next? Preferably in a non-modern setting, but I'm open to others.
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wait sorry, chuck "pounded in the butt by velociraptor in a cowboy hat" tingle actually writes books outside of the (joke?) erotica? if thats the case, good for him. are those erotica books of his actually good? i really just thought this was a meme dude who made funny books with titles and the insides were just lorem ipsum
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buglord posted:wait sorry, chuck "pounded in the butt by velociraptor in a cowboy hat" tingle actually writes books outside of the (joke?) erotica? if thats the case, good for him. are those erotica books of his actually good? i really just thought this was a meme dude who made funny books with titles and the insides were just lorem ipsum The other stuff is great, and written more conventionally. Straight was a neat novella, but then he got an actual mainstream publisher for Camp Damascus & Bury Your Gays and I've seen Chuck Tingle novels in bookshops. Even in window displays. It's great. If you want to try a Tingler, I think the one where a guy's butt unionises and inspires him to unionise his workplace is free. e: Unionized In The Butt And Now Everyone Is Safer, Happier And Better Paid Patreon link, but it's a free post.
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buglord posted:wait sorry, chuck "pounded in the butt by velociraptor in a cowboy hat" tingle actually writes books outside of the (joke?) erotica? if thats the case, good for him. are those erotica books of his actually good? i really just thought this was a meme dude who made funny books with titles and the insides were just lorem ipsum Yeah, i'd say he's still finding his footing in the horror genre tho. He's got a well developed style but he's still struggling with a satisfying final act, which is honestly an endemic problem in the whole genre so its not that surprising. Right now his books have been on the borderline of YA/horror but I'm interested to see how he develops. Nothing he writes is too long so what do you have to lose
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Camp Damascus was a lot of fun especially if you have undergone life in a more insular religious environment
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Camp Damascus was a fine adventure book, but it fell flat as Horror for me. The first maybe 15% of the book was building dread and unsettling and then the protagonist just figures everything out and goes into action mode. It felt like there were no stakes whatsoever for the back 75% of the book. I think I would have liked it more if I'd found it on a different shelf maybe?
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Nerdietalk posted:Finished Tingle's Bury Your Gays. Incredible read. Much lighter than Camp Damascus, but never into full on farce like his erotica books. I haven't followed Tingle too closely in a while, and this post makes me curious: does that imply that the Chuck Tingle we know from Twitter is a persona with a distinct writing style adopted by someone with credits on IMDB, or is the Chuck Tingle of twitter fame actually like that, and they still got work in Hollywood? The last time I heard much about him, there was a lot of discourse over whether Tingle was presenting himself authentically, or if we were seeing a - potentially offensive - masquerade as some flavor of neurodiverse, but they hadn't done any in-person events at that time so nobody really had any evidence one way or the other.
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Kestral posted:I haven't followed Tingle too closely in a while, and this post makes me curious: does that imply that the Chuck Tingle we know from Twitter is a persona with a distinct writing style adopted by someone with credits on IMDB, or is the Chuck Tingle of twitter fame actually like that, and they still got work in Hollywood? The last time I heard much about him, there was a lot of discourse over whether Tingle was presenting himself authentically, or if we were seeing a - potentially offensive - masquerade as some flavor of neurodiverse, but they hadn't done any in-person events at that time so nobody really had any evidence one way or the other. The answer to that seems kind of complicated and contradictory? I think there's definitely a layer of the persona where he's making stuff up, but there's certain things that reverberate too frequently for me to believe its fake. Its mainly the Montana stuff for me that I'm sure I can confirm. He's perfectly described a street in Billings with like three Taekwondo studios that would seem like a joke if not for the fact I've absolutely been on that street. My partner just described him as really fun and endearing at the signing event and I think I'm willing to let that be my picture of him for the time being.
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