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value-brand cereal
May 2, 2008
I am bizarrely obsessed with the ethnicity of authors. I mean for real I'm about to start doing phrenology on Paulo Coelho.
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value-brand cereal fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 26, 2025

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tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

MrMojok posted:

“The 2005 film of the same name has a lot of similarities to, but is not based on, the book.” Hmm.

It’s the exact same concept, on a larger scale. Then I read the rest of the book plot summary on wiki, and hooboy, all this other poo poo?

Still want to read it though, in hopes that there are a lot of spooky/violent scenes involving the “troglofauna hominids”

The Descent (2005) is one of my favourite jump scare horror movies. I love it, saw it in theatres twice.

I would say there are many differences and you should watch the movie. The main similarities are that there are caves and bad things happen in them.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!



That’s like saying Dracula and Lost Boys are the same because they both have vampires, the two Descents are wildly different

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Opopanax posted:

That’s like saying Dracula and Lost Boys are the same because they both have vampires, the two Descents are wildly different

I think it does apply. Differences aside, they’re both worth watching if you watched one and want more vampire stuff.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Rolo posted:

I think it does apply. Differences aside, they’re both worth watching if you watched one and want more vampire stuff.

I think they mean between the book and the movie. The only similarity there is that there’s a hole in the ground

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Good Citizen posted:

I think they mean between the book and the movie. The only similarity there is that there’s a hole in the ground

Ohhhh yeah ok.

Though I think I’m gonna watch the descents, bram and lost boys now.

adnam
Aug 28, 2006

Christmas Whale fully subsidized by ThatsMyBoye

tuyop posted:

The Descent (2005) is one of my favourite jump scare horror movies. I love it, saw it in theatres twice.

I would say there are many differences and you should watch the movie. The main similarities are that there are caves and bad things happen in them.

Yeah I was going to say
I vaguely remember the descent being a great jump scare thriller but the book has secret societies and evolutionary /parallel themes and the knights templar and conspiracy theories involving the freaking shroud of turin and is a completely different beast honestly

it's a bit schizophrenic in its organization/parallel stories but imho it's pretty freaking good as a horror meets sci fi and anthropology meets indiana jones/adventure kinda book

MNIMWA
Dec 1, 2014

I finished Absolution last night. Great body horror and some unsettling stuff with Ol' Jim and Central. Didn't love that third act with Lowry as the main character, and at times Vandermeer's prose is so impressionistic that it's really not clear what has happened (but at least the vibe is clear). Solid followup to the SR trilogy, imo, and I liked this a lot more than Dead Astronauts.

MNIMWA fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Feb 6, 2025

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

adnam posted:

Yeah I was going to say
I vaguely remember the descent being a great jump scare thriller but the book has secret societies and evolutionary /parallel themes and the knights templar and conspiracy theories involving the freaking shroud of turin and is a completely different beast honestly

it's a bit schizophrenic in its organization/parallel stories but imho it's pretty freaking good as a horror meets sci fi and anthropology meets indiana jones/adventure kinda book
Anyone read the sequel, Deeper?

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Thread I read Night Film and I enjoyed it but found the ending frustrating and I feel very stupid. What's this all about?

UwUnabomber
Sep 9, 2012

This shit ain't nothin' to me, man.
Man did I watch a different Descent? Because that's one of the two movies I've rewatched with someone who hasn't seen it to make sure it's as bad as I thought.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

UwUnabomber posted:

Man did I watch a different Descent? Because that's one of the two movies I've rewatched with someone who hasn't seen it to make sure it's as bad as I thought.

Some people hate The Descent the movie and all I can say is it’s ok to be wrong. Spoilering a plot summary here for folks.

The film is about a group of women who like doing fitness activities and sports like rock climbing and whitewater rafting together. They decide to explore a cave. One of these women loses her husband and child to a freak Final Destination accident on the way home from a sport time. She is the main character, Sarah.

Some time after this accident, the gang gets together to go spelunking. The cave that they explore is quite remarkable and beautiful, as well as surprisingly challenging because the group was led to believe that it was mostly a tourist attraction cave for beginners, and they’re all experienced adventurers.

As they proceed, there are hints scattered around that all is not as it seems. We see very old equipment left behind and strange figures in the dark. Eventually, there’s a cave-in and we learn that the organizer lied about the cave they’re exploring, imagining that they would map this new cave together to rekindle their spirits. It’s possible that this cave has only one entrance. Shortly after, a creature is seen and acts aggressively and causes everyone to split up in this maze of caverns.

Relationships between the women decay and are strained as they try to escape and fight for their lives. There are revelations about Sarah and her husband’s relationship with one of the other women in the group. People get picked off one by one in various ways, sometimes from the creatures and sometimes not.

The whole thing becomes progressively more horrific as there are fewer people to talk and they lose or damage their gear, eventually resorting to torches and ice axes while learning more about the cave’s history.


Im quite scared of caves personally but I think it’s a good horror movie because there’s a pleasing symmetry to the way the arc of the plot and cinematography mesh with the character progression. The colour palette shifts toward firelight as things, erm, descend. The idea that the creatures are some kind of “devolution” is mirrored in how we transition from a group of friends in modern society to a troglodytic mad dash without dialogue. I’m not a fan of jump scares these days but this was pretty much state of the art for the subgenre at the time! Each of the supporting characters is well-directed and their demises have pretty good emotional impact. The POV character is somewhat unreliable and it’s unclear exactly what happens as her grief and trauma colour her perception of events. The whole experience for her is also a nice little metaphor for dealing with grief and being maimed.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!



UwUnabomber posted:

Man did I watch a different Descent? Because that's one of the two movies I've rewatched with someone who hasn't seen it to make sure it's as bad as I thought.

Very possibly because it's great?

Ravus Ursus
Mar 30, 2017

This entire discussion I kept thinking of "As Above so Below" and was so very confused.

Though I guess there are some similar themes between the two.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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caspergers posted:

Thread I read Night Film and I enjoyed it but found the ending frustrating and I feel very stupid. What's this all about?

You're not stupid, you're just relying on the text of a book telling the actual story.

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Jedit posted:

You're not stupid, you're just relying on the text of a book telling the actual story.

I gathered it's mainly about the narrator's obsessive, narrow-minded pursuit and his bending reality to fit his narrative, much in the way most journalism seems to do, but the very last passage in the book is so ambiguous that either which way I interpret it renders the rest of the book almost pointless. "The friends we made along the way" etc.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

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Ravus Ursus posted:

This entire discussion I kept thinking of "As Above so Below" and was so very confused.

Though I guess there are some similar themes between the two.

Also a great horror movie about caves!

I think The Borderlands was another good one about a weird church.

Giragast
Oct 25, 2004
Inquire within about our potato famine!

tuyop posted:

Also a great horror movie about caves!

I think The Borderlands was another good one about a weird church.

I randomly selected both of those as a double-feature a few years back and can highly recommend watching them as a pair

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming
Wrapping up Rosemary's Baby tonight and wondering what I should move onto next. Are the sequels worth a drat? I also read The Omen last week so I am curious about those sequels, too.

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

escape artist posted:

Wrapping up Rosemary's Baby tonight

Good, it's cold out

Ravus Ursus
Mar 30, 2017

tuyop posted:

Also a great horror movie about caves!

I think The Borderlands was another good one about a weird church.

Borderlands punched way above it's class.

The visuals and vibes exceeded those of AAA budget movies.

WHY BONER NOW
Mar 6, 2016

Pillbug
Hey guys, I'm trying to help a friend to gather her courage and read house of leaves. She's extremely apprehensive about it, she doesn't do horror and finds it very daunting to try HoL, I think mainly from its reputation as "whoa dude you have GOT to read this book, so horrifying and mind blowing!!!"

Problem is, it's been ~25 years since I read it and my mind is a sieve. Can someone confirm the following:

The book is 50% Johnny Truant
The house bits are creepy and unsettling but there are very few direct threats, aside from getting lost or freezing
There aren't any monsters or boogernen, I think maybe some mysterious sounds are heard but that's it
There is only one death and its the narrator's brother, who either freezes or gets lost, I dont remember
The book sort of ends anticlimactally with no grand mystery solved
The main draw to the book is the mystery/vibe and the interesting presentation, like the marginalia

She recently finished Piranesi, which she loved (I'm only halfway through it right now) but I'd say there are some similar vibes between the two

gey muckle mowser
Aug 5, 2003

Do you know anything about...
witches?


Buglord

WHY BONER NOW posted:

Hey guys, I'm trying to help a friend to gather her courage and read house of leaves. She's extremely apprehensive about it, she doesn't do horror and finds it very daunting to try HoL, I think mainly from its reputation as "whoa dude you have GOT to read this book, so horrifying and mind blowing!!!"

Problem is, it's been ~25 years since I read it and my mind is a sieve. Can someone confirm the following:

The book is 50% Johnny Truant
The house bits are creepy and unsettling but there are very few direct threats, aside from getting lost or freezing
There aren't any monsters or boogernen, I think maybe some mysterious sounds are heard but that's it
There is only one death and its the narrator's brother, who either freezes or gets lost, I dont remember
The book sort of ends anticlimactally with no grand mystery solved
The main draw to the book is the mystery/vibe and the interesting presentation, like the marginalia

She recently finished Piranesi, which she loved (I'm only halfway through it right now) but I'd say there are some similar vibes between the two

I read it a year or two ago and most of that is true, except maybe the first point. the Johnny Truant bits make up a fair amount of the book but from what I remember it's not as much as 50%. Maybe if you are talking just about the plot, as there are a lot of sections and footnotes of the "main" part of the book that ramble that aren't really meant to be read word-for-word

Also I think another minor character dies (a crew member on one of the expeditions?) but I don't remember if it is described or if they just disappear and you never hear from them again

WHY BONER NOW
Mar 6, 2016

Pillbug
Perfect, thanks! That helps a lot!

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
I just finished My Work is Not Yet Done and it's probably my least favorite Ligotti. When boiled down to it, it's just an elaborate revenge fantasy. The corporate horror takes a backseat to the vengeance. Some of the revenge is kind of gross, too, and not in the weird horror way. Turning a woman into a mannequin with awareness and leaving her in a lot to be raped by "derelicts" isn't Ligotti's usual brand of terrible things happening. There were two other stories in the collection and I enjoyed those a lot more. The Nightmare Network was a trip, too. A corporation grows until it encompasses everything and everyone, invents its own competitors just so it has something to do, merges with something (its own warped creation? I'm not really sure), and then dies out when it's the only thing left in the universe. The scale and the strides it takes to get to that scale are all detailed in vignettes. It's like what an AI would do if it grew all-powerful.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

tuyop posted:

Also a great horror movie about caves!

I think The Borderlands was another good one about a weird church.

Posts about The Descent had me curious enough to want to watch it (without reading the spoilers), plus these two.

Somehow this lead to Mr Enfys and I deciding to have a spooky Valentines weekend and watch one each night. We watched The Descent tonight and hoo boy, that was an amazing, horrifying, wild ride :stare:

I'm afraid to go to bed now though :ohdear:

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Enfys posted:

Posts about The Descent had me curious enough to want to watch it (without reading the spoilers), plus these two.

Somehow this lead to Mr Enfys and I deciding to have a spooky Valentines weekend and watch one each night. We watched The Descent tonight and hoo boy, that was an amazing, horrifying, wild ride :stare:

I'm afraid to go to bed now though :ohdear:

That first really good jump scare. Oh man.

Guess I gotta watch it again, it’s been since release.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

The Descent rules. It just nails so many different kinds of horror: gore, jump scares, bereavement, claustrophobia, despair, madness, hen parties

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

The Descent and The Ritual double feature

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Is The Ritual a good book? I stumbled onto the movie and it was better than I expected. The parts where he would flash back to the convenient store while in the woods was incredible scene design.

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

Honestly I think the author simply isn’t a very good writer. The movie was better.

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

The Ritual by Adam Neville? Yeah he's pretty hit or miss. I think his biggest weakness is pacing

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zerofiend
Dec 23, 2006

The movie is significantly better than the book.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
I liked both fine

oh god oh fuck
Dec 22, 2019

Haven't read The Ritual but All The Fiends of Hell by the same author is a good time. One of my favorite depictions of an alien invasion.

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

oh god oh gently caress posted:

Haven't read The Ritual but All The Fiends of Hell by the same author is a good time. One of my favorite depictions of an alien invasion.

Check out his novel Last Days if you haven't, it's got a detective vibe to it and it's about a cult.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

caspergers posted:

Check out his novel Last Days if you haven't, it's got a detective vibe to it and it's about a cult.

That's Brian Evenson. Very different author.

lol i know

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

fez_machine posted:

That's Brian Evenson. Very different author.

lol i know

:argh:

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
I got really excited to have somehow missed that Evenson wrote The Ritual, how disappointing!

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Ulthar
Aug 14, 2007

My parents are deeaaaaaaad!!!
I listened to the Ritual on audiobook and it was great for the first 3/4, then felt like the characters had walked into an entirely different story. The Swedish accent the narrator put on made it very funny when it was not supposed to be.

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