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chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom



Soiled Meat

a foolish pianist posted:

Well, not to mentioning ending on a a preteen gang bang. That's got to be up there for worst King endings, and that's saying something.

It is eleven thousand pages long and the only part of it anyone ever talks about is the preteen gangbang. it's the literary equivalent of the "you gently caress one horse" joke

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Spite
Jul 27, 2001

Small chance of that...


chernobyl kinsman posted:

It is eleven thousand pages long and the only part of it anyone ever talks about is the preteen gangbang. it's the literary equivalent of the "you gently caress one horse" joke

People talk about the bullies jacking each other off too.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Spite posted:

People talk about the bullies jacking each other off too.

That never really bothered me. Mainly because there was a group of kids around where I lived who did the same thing. But they did it while watching straight porn so it wasn't gay.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was something King had heard about in school and stored away somewhere. Though I feel like a lot of towns have rumours of kids like that.

moths
Aug 25, 2004



Ornamented Death posted:

That's why horror tends to work best in shorter forms. The authors generally don't have the time to let the narratives get away from them.

This is exceptionally true for King. I remember hearing somewhere that he starts off with a premise and characters, then plays it all out as he writes to see where it goes. (I think this was around Green Mile.)

Which works perfectly for him when he can wrap everything up in 30 pages - otherwise he'll to start one overlapping arc, then another. I remember The Stand as essentially an anthology of closely related cool short stories within a lackluster wrap-around one.

It's also part of why I'm hesitant to read TED Kline's The Ceremonies. I loved the short story, but I'm not sure if longform will do it any favors.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

Does anybody know any good public domain short stories with women characters? I'm working on a personal project and it's hard for me to Google up this stuff. I've already got E.F. Benson's "How Fear Departed from the Long Gallery" and Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper" on my list, but the more stuff I can find the better. Thank you in advance!

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

Pththya-lyi posted:

Does anybody know any good public domain short stories with women characters? I'm working on a personal project and it's hard for me to Google up this stuff. I've already got E.F. Benson's "How Fear Departed from the Long Gallery" and Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper" on my list, but the more stuff I can find the better. Thank you in advance!

The Turn of the Screw
The Great God Pan

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom



Soiled Meat

edith wharton's afterward

Stick Figure Mafia
Dec 11, 2004



MockingQuantum posted:

I've got Worlds of Hurt and Whom the Gods Would Destroy hanging out on my Kindle now, I'll likely jump on them soon.

Where did you find an ebook of Worlds of Hurt and where can I find a copy?

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



Stick Figure Mafia posted:

Where did you find an ebook of Worlds of Hurt and where can I find a copy?

Amazon had it as a Kindle book for like $5 for a while but they took it down for some reason.

grobbo
May 29, 2014


MockingQuantum posted:

Just finished Carmen Maria Machado's Her Body and Other Parties and I feel like it's worth mentioning in this thread. It has some excellent moments, though it's only "horror" in the sense you'd call, say, certain Ray Bradbury stories or We Have Always Lived in the Castle "horror" (I would, in both cases, but it's apparently contentious?)

In any case, a lot of the stories definitely could be called gothic, surreal, or supernatural in nature and touch on some subtle horror elements in a way I haven't encountered before.

Just to let you know that I read this on your recommendation and (mostly) had a ball! As you say, not horror, but horror-adjacent at times, and with dips into Jackson and Angela Carter (with the first story in particular, I thought).

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1030658703093952518

https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1030659491715473409

The whole thread is gold, really.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!



TOOT BOOT posted:

Amazon had it as a Kindle book for like $5 for a while but they took it down for some reason.

The publisher went out of business. Rights reverted back to Hodge, though, so hopefully it's just a matter of time before he puts it back in print. Same for Whom the Gods Would Destroy and Without Purpose, Without Pity.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012





Stick Figure Mafia posted:

Where did you find an ebook of Worlds of Hurt and where can I find a copy?

What OD said, I got it at least a few years ago now, along with Whom the Gods Would Destroy. It's one of few times my impulsive book buying has paid off, though now that I've said that they'll probably show up again in a few months.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!



I asked Brian about bringing his DarkFuse stuff back in to print. He had planned to do it earlier this year, but both of his parents died within a few weeks of each other so he's been taking care of estate stuff. He says the books are coming, he just doesn't know when.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

NPR finally got off their asses and posted the results for the 100 Best Horror Stories, as voted by readers and "a panel of experts"

I'm not impressed.

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011


Is The Hunger by Katsu any good? I got to looking at that at the library the other day.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

Franchescanado posted:

NPR finally got off their asses and posted the results for the 100 Best Horror Stories, as voted by readers and "a panel of experts"

I'm not impressed.

Yeah, some of these make a lot of sense, but others....eeeeeeh

E: Thank you Franchescanado and chernobyl kinsman for your suggestions.

Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Aug 20, 2018

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


Franchescanado posted:

NPR finally got off their asses and posted the results for the 100 Best Horror Stories, as voted by readers and "a panel of experts"

I'm not impressed.

:psyduck:

Interview with the Vampire isn't horror! It's vampire fiction, but that doesn't make it horror - --- - LA BANKS? On a HORROR list?

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012





Yeah seems like they took a pretty broad view of horror. It's more of a horror/dark fantasy/gothic/vampire/thriller/halloween list. Even with that in mind there's some pretty bland choices in there.

And although I agree that Interview doesn't spring immediately to mind when people ask me for horror novel recommendations, it shows up on "best horror" lists all the time. Vampires are horror even when they aren't, I guess.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

MockingQuantum posted:

Yeah seems like they took a pretty broad view of horror. It's more of a horror/dark fantasy/gothic/vampire/thriller/halloween list. Even with that in mind there's some pretty bland choices in there.

And although I agree that Interview doesn't spring immediately to mind when people ask me for horror novel recommendations, it shows up on "best horror" lists all the time. Vampires are horror even when they aren't, I guess.

It was a reader write-in, so people could put any answer they wanted.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012





Franchescanado posted:

It was a reader write-in, so people could put any answer they wanted.

Yeah, I put in five choices for it myself. I guess I had higher hopes for it because usually when they do write-ins with a "panel of experts" the panel does a better job of stripping stuff off the list that doesn't really make sense. I can't remember what I wrote on my entry but at least three or four books on the list were in my five.

The idea of The Cipher being on the same list as an LA Banks book is kind of funny to me though, I admit.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom



Soiled Meat

Franchescanado posted:

NPR finally got off their asses and posted the results for the 100 Best Horror Stories, as voted by readers and "a panel of experts"

I'm not impressed.

ctrl+f "aickman"

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list is garbage imo

e: john loving dies at the end made the list? hell with this

e2: no wait i'm angrier about scott smith's the ruins, which is without hyperbole one of the top 5 worst books ive ever read in my life

chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Aug 21, 2018

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


No Ligotti, smh. What a weird list.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Interesting list. The inclusion of Infidel surprised me - it's only just finished. Worth reading though.

moths
Aug 25, 2004



I remember that I read The Ruins, but remember nothing else about The Ruins.

And wow there's a lot of zombies and vampires on this list.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


I think the key here is this bit:


quote:

so a few months ago, we asked you to nominate your favorite horror novels and stories, and then we assembled an expert panel of judges to take your 7000 nominations and turn them into a final, curated list of 100 spine-tingling favorites for all kinds of readers.

I would've preferred to see a separate judges list.

graventy
Jul 27, 2006




Fun Shoe

I thought The Ruins was kind of fun, but I wouldn't put it onto a top 100 list of anything.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!



Has anyone heard of the judges before? I'm not as well read as my Tinder profile says I am.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/621953925/summer-horror-poll-meet-our-expert-panelists

Edit: What the gently caress how does having World War Z not instantly invalidate this list?

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!



GrandpaPants posted:

Has anyone heard of the judges before? I'm not as well read as my Tinder profile says I am.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/621953925/summer-horror-poll-meet-our-expert-panelists

I've heard of three of the four.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

I'm familiar with Grady Hendrix.

Ruthanna Emrys is currently reading through all of Lovecraft's stories to examine the racism and writing about it on tor.com. It would be a neat idea if she weren't Caucasian, in my opinion.* Her stance, from what I've read is, "Yeah, Lovecraft is super racist, but we should still read his racist writings because maybe someday someone will be able to make it not-racist**", and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I've started the argument that Lovecraft is a waste of time because he's racist and a bad writer, so just read someone good instead, so I really don't feel like pursuing that in here.

*I'd rather it be done by a PoC and not a Caucasian person who is clearly a big fan of the racist
**she does cite books like Lovecraft Country and authors like Victor LaValle

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012





GrandpaPants posted:

Has anyone heard of the judges before? I'm not as well read as my Tinder profile says I am.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/621953925/summer-horror-poll-meet-our-expert-panelists

Edit: What the gently caress how does having World War Z not instantly invalidate this list?

I've heard of all four, though I haven't read by Ruthanna Emrys, I don't know of anything she's written that's made any waves yet. Grady Hendrix wrote Paperbacks from Hell, which kind of makes him a natural choice as a curator for this kind of list, and Stephen Graham Jones is a fairly prolific short story writer who has edited a bunch of collections of horror. I haven't read anything by Tananarive Due but she's been around for a while. Emrys is really the only one of the four that doesn't make much sense to me.

edit: Yeah, what Franchescanado said, that's kind of all Emrys has done that I've heard of. I would have greatly preferred if they got someone like Cassandra Khaw, who has some established writing chops.

MockingQuantum fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Aug 21, 2018

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

This statement is a lie!


I'm a big fan of Emrys's "The Litany of Earth," but I haven't gotten around to her other fiction or nonfiction articles yet.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Franchescanado posted:

I'm familiar with Grady Hendrix.

Ruthanna Emrys is currently reading through all of Lovecraft's stories to examine the racism and writing about it on tor.com. It would be a neat idea if she weren't Caucasian, in my opinion.* Her stance, from what I've read is, "Yeah, Lovecraft is super racist, but we should still read his racist writings because maybe someday someone will be able to make it not-racist**", and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I've started the argument that Lovecraft is a waste of time because he's racist and a bad writer, so just read someone good instead, so I really don't feel like pursuing that in here.

*I'd rather it be done by a PoC and not a Caucasian person who is clearly a big fan of the racist
**she does cite books like Lovecraft Country and authors like Victor LaValle

Our own Hbomberguy already did a great video on Lovecraft, Lovecraft adaptations and also his incredible racism that I thought was great. As he points out, even 'for the time' Lovecraft was mad racist, though it also seemed to lead into the fear he had of literally anyone that wasn't him.

Also, the name of his cat.

Skyscraper
Oct 1, 2004

Hurry Up, We're Dreaming





GrandpaPants posted:

Has anyone heard of the judges before? I'm not as well read as my Tinder profile says I am.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/621953925/summer-horror-poll-meet-our-expert-panelists

Edit: What the gently caress how does having World War Z not instantly invalidate this list?

This list got problems.

I've heard of three of these names before, though all I've read from Stephen Graham Jones was Demon Theory, a novel that was either douchey in the extreme, or doing it as a parody in a way that just made it unreadable.
Then again, I also didn't think Cyclonopedia was readable, so ymmv.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

There's a lot of Neo-Lovecraftian writers who are reimagining Lovecraft's universe through a progressive lens - Victor LaValle, Matt Ruff, and Emrys herself have already been brought up, and Caitlin R. Kiernan is another that comes to my mind. There's no denying Lovecraft was racist, but the conceit of a lot of his stories - that the Other you've learned to hate may be like you, or even within you - is a potent idea that marginalized authors can really tap into. Maybe I'm biased, but I think there's a baby in the bigoted, purple-prose bathwater.

Plus there's enough Lovecraft fans going "No, he really wasn't that racist" that we really do need people to push back against that.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


I think the inclusion of Junji Ito and Joe R Lansdale make that a pretty good list though. THE NIGHT THEY MISSED THE HORROR SHOW is ugly in the best way.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom



Soiled Meat

god forbid horror writers attempt something innovative instead of rehashing cthulhu for the 7000th time

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




chernobyl kinsman posted:

god forbid horror writers attempt something innovative instead of rehashing cthulhu for the 7000th time

Cthulhu sells right now. Slap him on a boardgame and you can get drat near all the money from nerds on Kickstarter

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!



Len posted:

Cthulhu sells right now. Slap him on a boardgame and you can get drat near all the money from nerds on Kickstarter

You don't even need the game, to be honest. I imagine most people bought that one game with the baby-sized Cthulhu (to clarify: I mean a Cthulhu that is the size of an actual human baby) for the "mini."

Pththya-lyi posted:

Caitlin R. Kiernan is another that comes to my mind.

What Caitlin Kiernan would you/the thread recommend? I know, don't judge a book by its cover, but goddamn a lot of the covers for her books are terrible and look like supernatural romance.

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Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




GrandpaPants posted:

You don't even need the game, to be honest. I imagine most people bought that one game with the baby-sized Cthulhu (to clarify: I mean a Cthulhu that is the size of an actual human baby) for the "mini."


What Caitlin Kiernan would you/the thread recommend? I know, don't judge a book by its cover, but goddamn a lot of the covers for her books are terrible and look like supernatural romance.

It was like 2 feet tall and an extra $150 to the already $200 game. It's apparently a board by itself and also the final chapter of the story started in the base game so gently caress you if you don't buy it.

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