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Pie Colony: Dec 8, 2006; I AM SUCH A FUCKUP THAT I CAN'T EVEN POST IN AN E/N THREAD I STARTED

like when my last company was acquired i made like 30k from my options. after taxes i guess it was a nice vacation and a bit of savings

e: shameful snipe but w/e

# ? Jan 18, 2019 16:39

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# ? Jan 23, 2026 08:15

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

Pie Colony posted:

didn�t ratbert start his job relatively recently? and what is his equity exactly, stock options? congrats to the dude but lol at pretending he�s going to come out a millionaire from this

It's a weird relationship. I was with the company a few years ago when there were only 13 people, so there is the nepotism factor. Also I've been working with them for almost a full year again and equity is part of my contract.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:01

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

just...never forget where you came from. promise us.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:40

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

is ratberts hilarious previous job story already a year old?

# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:41

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

is ratberts hilarious previous job story already a year old?

2018 was mercifully quick

# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:42

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

is ratberts hilarious previous job story already a year old?

Almost, there are a few months of overlap where I was a W2 with both, but working for my new company while doing nothing at my previous.

Edit*
Back then I was seriously debating subcontracting my job to my guys, but I didn't want to give then a completed product.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:43

elite_garbage_man: Apr 3, 2010; I THINK THAT "PRIMA DONNA" IS "PRE-MADONNA". I MAY BE ILLITERATE.

congratbert90

# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:59

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

ratbert fund my startup

alternatively make your own startup and hire me i'm a better employee than i am a poster

my posting gimmick is not caring but it's actually a cover for caring too much

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:16

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

ratbert fund my startup

alternatively make your own startup and hire me i'm a better employee than i am a poster

Do you know the Linux? And do you have the burning hatred of a million dying stars, all crying out at once towards PHP and Node?

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:17

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

ratbert90 posted:

Do you know the Linux? And do you have the burning hatred of a million dying stars, all crying out at once towards PHP and Node?

yes yes yes. all about the modern c++ atm i dont know how to do normal c it's full of dragons

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:18

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

yes yes yes. all about the modern c++ atm i dont know how to do normal c it's full of dragons

C is C++ friend, except classes are now structs and you should only use it if you are poking registers.
And even then only in Kernel land. Also there isn�t a rich standard library.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:23

elite_garbage_man: Apr 3, 2010; I THINK THAT "PRIMA DONNA" IS "PRE-MADONNA". I MAY BE ILLITERATE.

Does dev on the Linux mean the same thing as knowing the Linux?

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:31

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

elite_garbage_man posted:

Does dev on the Linux mean the same thing as knowing the Linux?

Generally it�s a good idea, but not always.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:33

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

ratbert90 posted:

C is C++ friend, except classes are now structs and you should only use it if you are poking registers.
And even then only in Kernel land. Also there isn�t a rich standard library.

i can read and write it but it feels like there's a very wide gulf between knowing C and being able to writte quality C. this is probably just an experience thing.

I suppose you can say the same thing for modern C++, but I feel like C++ is nudging me in the right direction whereas C is just saying "alright good luck!"

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:41

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

i can read and write it but it feels like there's a very wide gulf between knowing C and being able to writte quality C. this is probably just an experience thing.

I suppose you can say the same thing for modern C++, but I feel like C++ is nudging me in the right direction whereas C is just saying "alright good luck!"

C gives you a loaded gun and will sit back and smile as you point it at your face and pull the trigger.
Modern C++ does indeed try to protect you from that.
C++20 gonna be niiicee

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:44

elite_garbage_man: Apr 3, 2010; I THINK THAT "PRIMA DONNA" IS "PRE-MADONNA". I MAY BE ILLITERATE.

ratbert90 posted:

C++20 gonna be niiicee

Not too loud

Some devs will fire back on how modern c++ is unreadable trash, then brag about how the software they write is too complex for unit tests.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:55

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

concepts are looking very good and are very needed imo

# ? Jan 18, 2019 20:01

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

concepts are looking very good and are very needed imo

It's a shame the networking stuff is being pushed back. :smith:

# ? Jan 18, 2019 20:53

Slurps Mad Rips: Jan 25, 2009; There's No Guarantee

elite_garbage_man posted:

Not too loud

Some devs will fire back on how modern c++ is unreadable trash, then brag about how the software they write is too complex for unit tests.

�look in video game development we don�t have time for unit tests. if it looks like it works then it works�, my manager said as he hit �run� in visual studio 2010 and then refused to make eye contact with me as it immediately crashed from a pure virtual function exception.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:04

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

i've always found C very easy to read/use but I also wrote a poo poo-ton of cross-platform C for quite a long time in a professional setting so i'm probably biased.

most C I write now is embedded stuff or linux kernel drivers, but i don't write much C anymore overall.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:08

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

i guess these days, if you're writing (non-legacy) C the scope is probably small. with a few notable exceptions ofc.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:17

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

Terrible DevOps:
My team is writing a new microservice for our cloud application, which is managed by the Indian team. As such, we want to make a build that matches production so we can run and modify it on our servers.

The Indian team is unable to provide me with a commit ID of our product that matches the production server.

The production server has a bunch of libraries that are newer than the libraries listed in the POM.xml. They insist this is OK. :allears:

Edit: This is the same Indian team that has 450+ branches and 2 Jenkins servers that are both broken.

FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jan 18, 2019

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:21

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; altid pamo når du går
veje du burd' kende
overleved' barneår
lig' til livets ende

refactoring python at 10:30 pm on a friday :manning:

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:22

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Slurps Mad Rips posted:

�look in video game development we don�t have time for unit tests. if it looks like it works then it works�, my manager said as he hit �run� in visual studio 2010 and then refused to make eye contact with me as it immediately crashed from a pure virtual function exception.

this is amazing

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:27

Soricidus: Oct 20, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

ctps: i wrote some java today and it is much better than the python it's replacing, in that e.g. it actually does the right thing and reports certain types of problem immediately instead of doing the wrong thing and just kind of mostly working by accident

also it has enough tests that i actually have some confidence it is correct

# ? Jan 18, 2019 21:52

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

grats on working yourself out of a job you silly goose

# ? Jan 18, 2019 22:55

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

Corla Plankun posted:

grats on working yourself out of a job you silly goose

You must be new. This is where he makes it dump a bunch of gibberish on the terminal while it runs in a loop.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 22:56

Soricidus: Oct 20, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

if you mean me then I haven�t told anyone at work yet, I can probably put my feet up for a week or two now and still come out looking competent and productive

# ? Jan 18, 2019 23:07

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009; DOES NOT OWN EXOTIC FISH

Soricidus posted:

if you mean me then I haven�t told anyone at work yet, I can probably put my feet up for a week or two now and still come out looking competent and productive

That's a seasoned professional move. Very nice!

# ? Jan 18, 2019 23:09

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tps: i spent the workday fixing a batch job, and in doing so accidentally marked one record to be sent to the wrong place in the federal government's system (I don't work for the feds, just communicate with them). I told the business analyst and he said he'd take care of it, so I hope that company trying to deny benefits to their employee gets to see our legal determination.

# ? Jan 18, 2019 23:26

homercles: Feb 14, 2010

Symbolic Butt posted:

I see the exact same effect on people with java streams and C# linq

# ? Jan 19, 2019 00:18

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 8 years!)

Soricidus posted:

if you mean me then I haven�t told anyone at work yet, I can probably put my feet up for a week or two now and still come out looking competent and productive

make sure to emphasize how you�ll need to conduct a thorough investigation and porting effort to adopt new versions of java so you can bump the target version and post for a few weeks

# ? Jan 19, 2019 00:30

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 9, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

ratbert90 posted:

Terrible DevOps:
My team is writing a new microservice for our cloud application, which is managed by the Indian team. As such, we want to make a build that matches production so we can run and modify it on our servers.

The Indian team is unable to provide me with a commit ID of our product that matches the production server.

The production server has a bunch of libraries that are newer than the libraries listed in the POM.xml. They insist this is OK.

Edit: This is the same Indian team that has 450+ branches and 2 Jenkins servers that are both broken.

i think I posted about our shared libraries before but yeha our prod stuff had dlls that have no relation to what's in the source for the libs and the only other person that might have known where the gently caress they came from got made redundant so current process is "keep copying those dlls from app to app and don't touch anything!" nobody else seems to think this is an issue.

also i had to try and explain a rebase to our offshore team and said "look ill send you a step by step because I've got to do one" and about half way through realised that there's no loving way they would follow it and I was wasting my time

# ? Jan 19, 2019 00:31

Ellie Crabcakes: Jan 31, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Krankenstyle posted:

refactoring python at 10:30 pm on a friday

jeez, guys, it's right there in the thread title.

# ? Jan 19, 2019 04:27

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; altid pamo når du går
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:

jeez, guys, it's right there in the thread title.

i like bikeshedding my own code forever :shrug:

Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jan 19, 2019

# ? Jan 19, 2019 06:57

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; altid pamo når du går
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btw, whats the pythonic way of reading a text file that you dont know the encoding of in advance?

especially when using argparse.FileType, which accepts an encoding argument

code:

	dictparser.add_argument('input', type=argparse.FileType('r', encoding='utf-8')) # what if its Windows-1252??

# ? Jan 19, 2019 06:59

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; altid pamo når du går
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hmm this appears to work

code:

import chardet

def get_encoding(file):
	with open(file, 'rb') as f:
		detection = chardet.detect(f.read(1024*50))
		return detection['encoding']

class MyFileType(argparse.FileType):
	def __call__(self, string):
		if self._mode == 'r':
			self._encoding = get_encoding(string)
			return super().__call__(string)
		else:
			return super().__call__(string)

code:

	dictparser.add_argument('input', type=MyFileType('r'))

feels hacky tho

# ? Jan 19, 2019 08:30

Soricidus: Oct 20, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Krankenstyle posted:

hmm this appears to work

code:

import chardet

def get_encoding(file):
	with open(file, 'rb') as f:
		detection = chardet.detect(f.read(1024*50))
		return detection['encoding']

class MyFileType(argparse.FileType):
	def __call__(self, string):
		if self._mode == 'r':
			self._encoding = get_encoding(string)
			return super().__call__(string)
		else:
			return super().__call__(string)

code:

	dictparser.add_argument('input', type=MyFileType('r'))

feels hacky tho

depends how stereotypical the files are. what if the first 50kb is entirely ascii and then there's a curly quote after that? you still don't know how that will be encoded.

chardet is smarter than most heuristic approaches but it's still a heuristic so it will get things wrong sometimes. the only method that is guaranteed to work, if that matters, is to require the charset to be specified, either in another argument or in the file's header.

# ? Jan 19, 2019 08:45

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; altid pamo når du går
veje du burd' kende
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lig' til livets ende

yea, i should have an option for setting input file charset to override the detection

also i guess i could read 500kb instead, that shouldnt be too bad performance wise right?

# ? Jan 19, 2019 08:59

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 14, 2013

Captain Foo posted:

stack that fuckin paper my dude

# ? Jan 19, 2019 09:07

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