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Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

oh i'm not done here, there are plenty of horrors to come.

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# ? Aug 30, 2018 20:01

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jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

c is cool imo, definitely no modern conveniences in there though.

# ? Aug 30, 2018 20:28

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

i have a basic generic linked list and if i want to define map it's all pointers to void and casting. pretty gross.

i guess you build better tools on top of this though.

I thought you were doing c not go

# ? Aug 30, 2018 20:57

necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

i decided to go with c for the emulator stuff. i dont regret it but its also been uh... different.

but it works now!

code:

====== test_roms/TST8080.COM ======
MICROCOSM ASSOCIATES 8080/8085 CPU DIAGNOSTIC
 VERSION 1.0  (C) 1980

 CPU IS OPERATIONAL
Jumped to 0x0000 from 0x06BA



====== test_roms/CPUTEST.COM ======

DIAGNOSTICS II V1.2 - CPU TEST
COPYRIGHT (C) 1981 - SUPERSOFT ASSOCIATES

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
CPU IS 8080/8085
BEGIN TIMING TEST
END TIMING TEST
CPU TESTS OK

Jumped to 0x0000 from 0x3B25



====== test_roms/8080PRE.COM ======
8080 Preliminary tests complete
Jumped to 0x0000 from 0x032F



====== test_roms/8080EXM.COM ======
8080 instruction exerciser
dad <b,d,h,sp>................  PASS! crc is:14474ba6
aluop nn......................  PASS! crc is:9e922f9e
aluop <b,c,d,e,h,l,m,a>.......  PASS! crc is:cf762c86
<daa,cma,stc,cmc>.............  PASS! crc is:bb3f030c
<inr,dcr> a...................  PASS! crc is:adb6460e
<inr,dcr> b...................  PASS! crc is:83ed1345
<inx,dcx> b...................  PASS! crc is:f79287cd
<inr,dcr> c...................  PASS! crc is:e5f6721b
<inr,dcr> d...................  PASS! crc is:15b5579a
<inx,dcx> d...................  PASS! crc is:7f4e2501
<inr,dcr> e...................  PASS! crc is:cf2ab396
<inr,dcr> h...................  PASS! crc is:12b2952c
<inx,dcx> h...................  PASS! crc is:9f2b23c0
<inr,dcr> l...................  PASS! crc is:ff57d356
<inr,dcr> m...................  PASS! crc is:92e963bd
<inx,dcx> sp..................  PASS! crc is:d5702fab
lhld nnnn.....................  PASS! crc is:a9c3d5cb
shld nnnn.....................  PASS! crc is:e8864f26
lxi <b,d,h,sp>,nnnn...........  PASS! crc is:fcf46e12
ldax <b,d>....................  PASS! crc is:2b821d5f
mvi <b,c,d,e,h,l,m,a>,nn......  PASS! crc is:eaa72044
mov <bcdehla>,<bcdehla>.......  PASS! crc is:10b58cee
sta nnnn / lda nnnn...........  PASS! crc is:ed57af72
<rlc,rrc,ral,rar>.............  PASS! crc is:e0d89235
stax <b,d>....................  PASS! crc is:2b0471e9
Tests complete
Jumped to 0x0000 from 0x0137

# ? Aug 30, 2018 20:58

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

^^ nice!!
yeah okay i'm just gonna do C++. I mostly get what's going on here it's just really tedious and templates are calling to me.

what C++ books do I get? I'm aiming for modern C++, and I'll probably get more out of something relatively short along with something else that's more in depth.

DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 30, 2018

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:06

qsvui: Aug 23, 2003; some crazy thing

I hear there's a new edition of A Tour of C++ by Stroustrup (the devil himself).

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:21

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

^^ nice!!
yeah okay i'm just gonna do C++. I mostly get what's going on here it's just really tedious and templates are calling to me.

Stick with it for a while. You'll regret it, but also not regret it.

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:24

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

today i'm getting serious about c. gonna do the basic data structures and algos for however long that takes and then move on to c++.

dont do c++ its super bad

otoh c is fine for what it is

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:30

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

there are places where you cannot avoid doing c++ (e.g. video games) because it is entrenched. there's nothing you can do in those circumstances but otherwise do not voluntarily use c++

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:31

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Sapozhnik posted:

dont do c++ its super bad

Incorrect

quote:

otoh c is fine for what it is

Correct

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:39

netcat: Apr 29, 2008

C is very good

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:47

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

so far C++ is way more fun. Templates are good and it's cool you can instantiate a template with value parameters. I ran into that problem with my ringbuffer in rust.

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:49

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

i have a basic generic linked list and if i want to define map it's all pointers to void and casting. pretty gross.

i guess you build better tools on top of this though.

look at utlist because it�s an entire macro based implementation of a linked list that can do a lot more dynamic (sorta) work without adding overhead.

learn to love the preprocessor

# ? Aug 30, 2018 21:56

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

there's also uthash which is also unbelievably cool:

code:

#include "uthash.h"

struct my_struct {
    int id;            /* we'll use this field as the key */
    char name[10];             
    UT_hash_handle hh; /* makes this structure hashable */
};

struct my_struct *users = NULL;

void add_user(struct my_struct *s) {
    HASH_ADD_INT( users, id, s );    
}

this let's you pass in the field you want to use as a key as a parameter to the HASH_* functions, without having to do any sort of casting.

it owns.

# ? Aug 30, 2018 22:44

qsvui: Aug 23, 2003; some crazy thing

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

it owns.

# ? Aug 30, 2018 22:53

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

hmmm c feels very bad after rust

dtom: "I'm not sure if this will be memory safe... what do you think borrow checker?"

*undefined behavior crawls on the ceiling above dtom, xenomorph-like*

dtom: "borrow checker?"

*undefined behavior drops down behind dtom, its jaws slavering*

# ? Aug 30, 2018 22:54

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

today i'm getting serious about c. gonna do the basic data structures and algos for however long that takes and then move on to c++.

i'm extremely jealous of how motivated you are to do things

# ? Aug 30, 2018 23:59

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

redleader posted:

i'm extremely jealous of how motivated you are to do things

yeah, i wish i had time to learn c

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:11

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

Where does one go about learning laws for "must report" level security fuckups, in terms of badness?

Are there even such laws?

:smith:

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:19

Feisty-Cadaver: Jun 1, 2000; The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.

AggressivelyStupid posted:

im prepared to run away to Belize if that's what it takes to get away from AccuRev�

AccuRev isn�t that bad if you have a decent use case for their version stream setup.

though that�s been copied by p4 at this point.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:21

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

Are unencrypted config files (and application code) with plain text as gently caress sql admin passwords BADbad, or BADBAD bad?

Can unsalted unhashed passwords in a db get anyone in trouble?

:|

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:22

Phobeste: Apr 9, 2006; never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

I firmly believe everyone should know enough c to read it if only to know why other things are better

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:26

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

Feisty-Cadaver posted:

AccuRev isn’t that bad if you have a decent use case for their version stream setup.

though that’s been copied by p4 at this point.

what would those use cases be?

Space Whale posted:

Are unencrypted config files (and application code) with plain text as gently caress sql admin passwords BADbad, or BADBAD bad?

Can unsalted unhashed passwords in a db get anyone in trouble?

:|

it's a really bad idea and I'd advise against it

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:28

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

AggressivelyStupid posted:

it's a really bad idea and I'd advise against it

If I tell managers and they don't do poo poo am I in trouble if poo poo happens? y/n

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:33

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Space Whale posted:

Are unencrypted config files (and application code) with plain text as gently caress sql admin passwords BADbad, or BADBAD bad?

Can unsalted unhashed passwords in a db get anyone in trouble?

:|

generally its a bad idea but the problem is that ultimately your application (desktop or web) will eventually need to get those credentials. in .net there are configuration protectors that you can use for asp.net or desktop apps, but they only really hide things from people who don't know what they're doing. Its probably better than not using them but you shouldn't consider it safe from people with admin rights or from the user as which the application is running. ex: if a desktop user is using your application and you've put a sql password in the config encrypted with dpapi, the user has permissions to decrypt the protection key since that's the only way they could ever decrypt the password to make a connection.

w/ sql server use integrated (windows) auth instead. At that point you're punting password security to the OS or IIS and its not your problem anymore.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:42

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Space Whale posted:

If I tell managers and they don't do poo poo am I in trouble if poo poo happens? y/n

depends on the paper trail.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:42

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

Shaggar posted:

generally its a bad idea but the problem is that ultimately your application (desktop or web) will eventually need to get those credentials. in .net there are configuration protectors that you can use for asp.net or desktop apps, but they only really hide things from people who don't know what they're doing. Its probably better than not using them but you shouldn't consider it safe from people with admin rights or from the user as which the application is running. ex: if a desktop user is using your application and you've put a sql password in the config encrypted with dpapi, the user has permissions to decrypt the protection key since that's the only way they could ever decrypt the password to make a connection.

w/ sql server use integrated (windows) auth instead. At that point you're punting password security to the OS or IIS and its not your problem anymore.

management too dumb to let us actually do that :/

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:43

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

Shaggar posted:

depends on the paper trail.

there are many snarky toall emails to protect us

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:43

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

the dpapi/rsa protectors you can setup during deployment so that's not really a big lift. you can do that without management knowing or caring about it as long as you don't break a deployment (which is unlikely)

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:44

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

the passwords you have stored in cleartext are a little harder because you will need to make sure you touch everything that is accessing the passwords. If you have a central data api or are using shared procs it will be easy and you just pad the dev schedule to get it done. The only thing I would mention here is if its passwords used to log into your application, migrating them to bcrypt is very easy. If its passwords used for configuration that need to be retrieved in clear text it will be a little harder because now you have another decryption key to store somewhere. You could try using sql column encryption but again that's one of those things where its technically encrypted somewhere but users with access to read the field will treat it as effectively unencrypted.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:48

animist: Aug 28, 2018

my current project is a webassembly -> verilog compiler in rust

this is almost certainly a terrible idea

# ? Aug 31, 2018 00:57

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

agreeing with Shaggar again.

I've done this and if you're using bare sql logon creds (which we are because management banned AD accounts on dbs for some dumbass reason) you can either use an api to retrieve at runtime via a custom config handler/api (we have an internal one that locks access down by environment based on the requesting host) or encrypt the config at first run with the machine key except that this relies on having the unencrypted config in the initial deploy. That then raises the problem that your raw config is probably in source control and thus visible, or you leave it empty for that bid and add it in the deploy process or something, except then your creds are there.

Also i 100% guarantee that whatever you do you will have to painfully explain to an auditor that whatever you do, it will be technically possible to extract that data and they'll flip their poo poo....

# ? Aug 31, 2018 01:05

Feisty-Cadaver: Jun 1, 2000; The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.

AggressivelyStupid posted:

what would those use cases be?

it's been quite a while but we used to use it as a feature-per-stream model, where each stream would be deployed to a separate QA environment. So feature A would be on QA env A, B -> B, etc.

And you could have streams of streams ofc, so you could have a "new login experiment" stream that split into A/B UI tests or w/e

What was nice is if you wanted it in multiple QA envs you just checked it in further upstream and it auto-flowed down to the others.

obvs you could accomplish this in different ways and iirc their GUI tool sucked fairly bad but w/e.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 01:23

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

if you're worried about deploy time encryption you can deploy a separate configuration file that contains only the connection strings and leave that encrypted on the host. then when you deploy you deploy a web.config file that imports the encrypted dbconnections.config. this way you aren't deploying unencrypted config except for the very first time you setup the separate config file on the host.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 01:24

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

redleader posted:

i'm extremely jealous of how motivated you are to do things

well, to be fair, i quit my job in order to do this and i don't have more than 6 months or so before I really need to think about getting another job so I'm motivated to make as much use of my time as I can.

I also don't have kids and my girlfriend is super supportive.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 01:41

Mahatma Goonsay: Jun 6, 2007; Yum

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

I also don't have kids

every time a read one of your posts about rust or asm or whatever i feel slight regret that i had kids before really getting into programming. of course deep down i know before kids i would just have played video games or watched tv instead of learning haskell or whatever.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 02:24

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

as a childless nerd I can confirm factorio is far more interesting than learning a research language.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 02:26

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Space Whale posted:

Where does one go about learning laws for "must report" level security fuckups, in terms of badness?

Are there even such laws?

Just post about it on yospos and eventually twitter will pick it up and make it viral, thus being reported to everyone with a social media account.

# ? Aug 31, 2018 03:41

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Space Whale posted:

Where does one go about learning laws for "must report" level security fuckups, in terms of badness?

Are there even such laws?

some states? have data breach laws. like if your company know that a lot of personally identifying information has been lost to the haxors, your company may be required to let people know.

generally speaking, there ain't laws against being bad at information security in almost every industry? so it's a more holistic question of what level of harm might occur, who / how many could it happen to, and how easy or likely such a security breach is

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

animist posted:

my current project is a webassembly -> verilog compiler in rust

this is almost certainly a terrible idea

what the gently caress

# ? Aug 31, 2018 04:07

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