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MononcQc
May 29, 2007

yeah I never got to do that but if someone told me they did freelancing/self-employed/contract work and then got tired and just got regular jobs again I wouldn’t go and dig too deep, you could just easily pass the reference check as well. Background checks of some employers might be trickier to bypass though.

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
gotta actually make the company, which is 50 bux to 800 depending, so just budget that in. get your buddy to be a "client" by setting up their wifi for 25 bux or something

i knew a dude who set up a website and everything, which is a bit much to do in a burnout state

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Carthag Tuek posted:

imo programming should be just a tool.

Ive hated all the jobs I've had for like 15 years, cause i was mainly there to program poo poo I didn't care about. sales, streaming, etc

recently I started working for a historical archive, and I love it cause I get to read cool old documents and make them available digitally. the programming is just to make this stuff easier (scripts and databases for ocr, conversion, etc)
:hmmyes:

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe

pokeyman posted:

miss the d by a pixel

mods?!

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

Carthag Tuek posted:

imo programming should be just a tool.

Ive hated all the jobs I've had for like 15 years, cause i was mainly there to program poo poo I didn't care about. sales, streaming, etc

recently I started working for a historical archive, and I love it cause I get to read cool old documents and make them available digitally. the programming is just to make this stuff easier (scripts and databases for ocr, conversion, etc)

hell yeah; once i finish making figgies i would do anything for a job like that

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



i gave up a while ago on getting any sort of life satisfaction from my work, and my overall happiness went up a lot as a result. i just get a shitload of money from my work, and then i use that to buy things i want

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



gently caress the figgies

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
not recommended, paper cuts there are real painful

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.

MononcQc posted:

stuff that has interesting tech challenges is ghoulish to work on

sucks but it's true, and across fields as far as I can tell

the only poo poo it's "worth" spending that much effort on is either hyper-profitable or lacks civilian applications

or you can be a professor I guess, and write grants to kinda-pay grad students to solve interesting technical challenges for you

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

bob dobbs is dead posted:

not recommended, paper cuts there are real painful

suddenly getting paid in bitcoins makes sense

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Nomnom Cookie posted:

i gave up a while ago on getting any sort of life satisfaction from my work, and my overall happiness went up a lot as a result. i just get a shitload of money from my work, and then i use that to buy things i want

i aim for lack of dissatisfaction. i don't think i'm wrecking my or other people's lives, and that's enough

of course, if there's one thing people are experts at rationalizing…

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
if nothing else, I'm transferring vc money to my local food bank at an extremely inefficient rate

Zaxxon
Feb 14, 2004

Wir Tanzen Mekanik
I mean if you can just put in the hours without burning out good for you! I just couldn't do it. I mean I wasn't trying to make my job my life or anything just the amount of energy/attention I had to expend working was enough to leave me too exhausted in the evenings to gently caress with my own stuff / have a social life or anything like that.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
oh yeah sorry, I wasn't saying "avoid dissatisfaction" relates to burnout. got off on a tangent

zokie
Feb 13, 2006

Out of many, Sweden
My previous job was in the eldercare sector, we made stuff like safety alarms for olds to wear. And basically panopticon systems for homes. Like putting bracelets on everyone so we could have the dementia patients walk around freely and doors that should open for them become unlocked and the staff have other bracelets so they can access all areas without a bunch of keys.

Also a pretty cool “Harry Potter map” to be able to find care recipients. When I left we were working on using some nifty BTLE/GPS-watch to get geofencing for those that can still live at home but maybe shouldn’t walk too far away, or should be home after dark. Something like this literally would have saved my grandmas life so working there was pretty satisfying.

Now I work at a major big industrial manufacturer, we make things for everything from dairies and waste water treatment equipment to things in nuclear power plants and exhaust cleaning for ships. We make a real positive impact on the environment and launch new products that are cleaner than their predecessors. Even though I mostly work with the UI for the “configurator” that is the core of our sales platform I get a lot of satisfaction from working at a company where greener stuff is a competitive advantage.

But I think it all comes down to what your team and colleagues are like. I left my previous job because it had a bad development culture and was filled with low achievers and “senior” consultants that were the embodiment of Not Invented Here.

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
i get full control over technical decisions for the most part (unless its a client that has existing infrastructure), but even doing dumb bullshit stuff like education tools or whatever, being able to play with whatever toys i want makes it at least exciting. my co-workers are smart people and we get along well, and there's no office politics to worry about.

plus getting paid an absolutely disgusting amount of money with very little stress is good.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Nomnom Cookie posted:

i gave up a while ago on getting any sort of life satisfaction from my work, and my overall happiness went up a lot as a result. i just get a shitload of money from my work, and then i use that to buy things i want
Someone I knew told me to do this and but 8hrs a day is a lot of time to hate or be at best indifferent what you're doing.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Shumagorath posted:

Someone I knew told me to do this and but 8hrs a day is a lot of time to hate or be at best indifferent what you're doing.

Can't you just enjoy adding near-identical log statements throughout your 16-levels-deep transaction processing code until you can find where an off-by-one error is actually originating? Appreciate the art

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Shumagorath posted:

Someone I knew told me to do this and but 8hrs a day is a lot of time to hate or be at best indifferent what you're doing.

who says i'm spending 8 hours a day working

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

pokeyman posted:

if nothing else, I'm transferring vc money to my local food bank at an extremely inefficient rate

make them an app so they can rake in the vc money directly

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015

Nomnom Cookie posted:

who says i'm spending 8 hours a day working

Right?

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Nomnom Cookie posted:

who says i'm spending 8 hours a day working

this is the way

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Nomnom Cookie posted:

who says i'm spending 8 hours a day working

Correct answer

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

Nomnom Cookie posted:

i gave up a while ago on getting any sort of life satisfaction from my work, and my overall happiness went up a lot as a result. i just get a shitload of money from my work, and then i use that to buy things i want

i came to this same conclusion after the result of all my university studies was sitting at a computer in a chemistry lab, not really any different than the non-lab office job i had before except i was ~40k in debt and made...$5 more an hour than i did before i went to school at all

nearly every job is just "use computer" these days on some level so you might as well get paid the most possible to use it

PokeJoe fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 8, 2021

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Powerful Two-Hander posted:

There's a lovely old wiki platform that got assigned to me and that people should have stopped using years ago, but of course there are a bunch of people that refuse and are wedded to the trash markup and layout they currently use, today I spent some time fiddling with the layout and I am gonna inject colour mismatched scrolling headers into every single page by adjusting the render xsl

Enjoy your bi directional marquee messages on red on yellow-green you bunch of grognards :twisted:

alright I found a post about migrating this thing to confluence from some guy on archive.org and managed to get the dotnet 2 source code off an archive copy of atlassians own forum that was posted as a zip in 2006 and have half hacked the read portion together and yep as expected the "conversion" is a heinous sequence of regexes based on the original markup that I don't remember anymore

so actually this migration might work but holy poo poo is this some gross garbage. like "I got some error about a missing dtd so copy and pasted it off the w3 site and added a local file" hack trash

It's called Openwiki BTW and seems to have vanish off the Internet about 2005 but we're still using it!

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?
Man. Here I thought we were in a poo poo position being stuck with Confluence...

It is garbage bloatware, but it's supported garbage bloatware, so Godspeed on your migration.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Hey guys, I got a secret:

Python is the least bad language and works fine for long-lived enterprise applications and backends. Python even works great for embedded Linux! Especially 3.6+

FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jan 9, 2021

cool av
Mar 2, 2013

actually every programming language is bad

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

cool av posted:

actually every programming language is bad

True, but unless you need a compiled binary, Python3 is the least bad.

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006



python is great, I love spending a full work day trying to sort out whatever new attempt to circumvent pip the python team has come up with in the six months since I last had to touch that project

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
python is junk just like every other p-lang

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Truman Peyote posted:

python is great, I love spending a full work day trying to sort out whatever new attempt to circumvent pip the python team has come up with in the six months since I last had to touch that project

i love to janitor my virtual environments because i can't have project specific versions of packages

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
pip is a shitshow but python is ok

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

pokeyman posted:

pip is a shitshow but python is ok

This.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



i prefer not to use python

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



pokeyman posted:

pip is a shitshow but python is ok

this is a big reason for the former, true. not the only one though

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Achmed Jones posted:

i prefer not to use python

I too hate using languages with a lot of well supported libraries that has a straight forward syntax, a fairly low memory footprint, and decent performance.

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006



python started out by naming a programming language after a british tv comedy and went downhill from there

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

DoomTrainPhD posted:

I too hate using languages with a lot of well supported libraries that has a straight forward syntax, a fairly low memory footprint, and decent performance.

that explains why you’re using python

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Share Bear
Apr 27, 2004

you can make bad things in any language, and i wont defend pip

python is still very good

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