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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/9101

# ? Sep 12, 2018 15:27

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# ? Oct 14, 2024 05:58

mystes: May 31, 2006

cinci zoo sniper posted:

https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/9101

This doesn't even loving break anything and yet all these crazy people are getting upset that python isn't going to use the word slave any more.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 15:34

Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

That cookie preference poo poo broke down with "not all of our partners support https" for me. :suicide:

# ? Sep 12, 2018 15:37

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

my favorite solution to the master/slave fight is redis's where they kept the words but added a note in the docs to remind people that slavery is bad

e: https://redis.io/commands/slaveof

Flat Daddy fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Sep 12, 2018

# ? Sep 12, 2018 15:42

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVwKjGbz60k

# ? Sep 12, 2018 16:08

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Flat Daddy posted:

my favorite solution to the master/slave fight is redis's where they kept the words but added a note in the docs to remind people that slavery is bad

e: https://redis.io/commands/slaveof

lmao this might be the worst take

# ? Sep 12, 2018 16:13

crazypenguin: Mar 9, 2005; nothing witty here, move along

iirc, the redis guy decided to reluctantly okay changing the terms after DHH plead with him a bit on twitter.

so that will get fixed eventually too

# ? Sep 12, 2018 17:35

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

Yay, live TV debugging again,

Apparently NIO IPOd today, a Chinese firm copying Tesla. NIO however was used by Nuveen previously and many data services are still dumb and say the ticker is Nuveen. However at 10am this morning one post on the floor flipped all it's logos from new NIO to old NIO. Like that's two independent servers with no caching. 5 minutes later it corrected itself.

I turned on Cheddar and you can see both logos, as above, however you can see Nuveen is a different ticker code, one of their funds. I think someone is pulling my leg.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:10

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

mystes posted:

This doesn't even loving break anything and yet all these crazy people are getting upset that python isn't going to use the word slave any more.

I understand the removal of slave I guess but removing "master" seems pretty silly. That use of terminology isn't even IT specific.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:34

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

i'm learning about quaternions now because i'm thinking seriously about game dev. they're cool imo.

btw 3b1b just started releasing a series of videos on quaternions, it's some amazing stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EgbgTm0Bg

# ? Sep 12, 2018 19:39

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Symbolic Butt posted:

btw 3b1b just started releasing a series of videos on quaternions, it's some amazing stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EgbgTm0Bg

Scrub tier
https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-octonion-math-that-could-underpin-physics-20180720/

# ? Sep 12, 2018 19:47

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

maybe in 30 years someone will find a neat application of octonions in programming, it'll be rad

# ? Sep 12, 2018 19:54

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

Symbolic Butt posted:

maybe in 30 years someone will find a neat application of octonions in programming, it'll be rad

quantum quaternions i bet

# ? Sep 12, 2018 19:56

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Chalks posted:

I understand the removal of slave I guess but removing "master" seems pretty silly. That use of terminology isn't even IT specific.

the dev says he isn't a native English speaker so he probably wasn't sure and played it safe

# ? Sep 12, 2018 20:35

necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

primary/secondary is a fine replacement for master/slave imo

parent/child seems to fit better in the cpython case though, or anything related to forking

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:03

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

necrotic posted:

primary/secondary is a fine replacement for master/slave imo

parent/child seems to fit better in the cpython case though, or anything related to forking

you can take my KILL CHILD from my cold dead body

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:09

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

Symbolic Butt posted:

maybe in 30 years someone will find a neat application of octonions in programming, it'll be rad

clifford algebras all the way imo

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:14

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

gonadic io posted:

you can take my KILL CHILD from my cold dead body

this was a high priority bug epic had to fix after a catholic children's hospital got mad about it

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:30

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Symbolic Butt posted:

maybe in 30 years someone will find a neat application of octonions in programming, it'll be rad

they haven't found any applications in actual physics yet, wait until they do that

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:31

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

necrotic posted:

primary/secondary is a fine replacement for master/slave imo

parent/child seems to fit better in the cpython case though, or anything related to forking

Depends on the context, master is good for a bunch of stuff. Slave has always been clumsy terminology IMO

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:32

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

master/slave isn't even that good for most scenarios.

active/active active/passive active/readonly, etc... are better for like dbs and load balancing or stuff w/ peers

parent/child is good for something with hierarchy like processes, markup, or layout.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:32

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

Shaggar posted:

master/slave isn't even that good for most scenarios.

active/active active/passive active/readonly, etc... are better for like dbs and load balancing or stuff w/ peers

parent/child is good for something with hierarchy like processes, markup, or layout.

Master works well for stuff like master passwords, or a master database containing access information for a bunch of other databases. It implies one system is in control of others to some degree, but isn't necessarily interchangeable or the origin of those systems.

Slave implies that a system not only provides a service to another, but is also incapable of providing services to any other system besides the one specifically assigned as its master. I struggle to think of scenarios where that's a good fit.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:37

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

Really all we need to do is rename "cluster" to "Confederacy."

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:44

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

next people will get mad that my random::next_int always returns 1488

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:45

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

Shaggar posted:

master/slave isn't even that good for most scenarios.

active/active active/passive active/readonly, etc... are better for like dbs and load balancing or stuff w/ peers

parent/child is good for something with hierarchy like processes, markup, or layout.

this feels like a very un-shaggar take

# ? Sep 13, 2018 05:43

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

my car/bicycle database setup

# ? Sep 13, 2018 11:54

Lime: Jul 20, 2004

seems like just replacing slave with servant would be the absolute minimal change on all fronts but i can't think of anything that ever used those terms

# ? Sep 13, 2018 13:36

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

MononcQc posted:

my car/bicycle database setup

�The car crashed again and took out all the bicycles. it was a good day.�

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:05

Slurps Mad Rips: Jan 25, 2009; There's No Guarantee

is it really too hard to use manager/worker, or does that phrasing hit too close to home with how little control we have over our jobs sometimes? :v:

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:05

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

the1percent/the99percent

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:10

Lime: Jul 20, 2004

mario/luigis

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:11

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Slurps Mad Rips posted:

is it really too hard to use manager/worker, or does that phrasing hit too close to home with how little control we have over our jobs sometimes?

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:12

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
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Lime posted:

seems like just replacing slave with servant would be the absolute minimal change on all fronts but i can't think of anything that ever used those terms

our product's mainframe version has a control region and some servant regions in memory, that's the only time i've heard servant used

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:14

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

If we use master and servant I'm going to have that Depeche Mode song stuck in my head all the time. I can't work like this.

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:31

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

Lime posted:

mario/luigis

mario/yoshis

# ? Sep 13, 2018 14:35

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

I use leader if a server elected (as in quorum systems), and master if it is a title bestowed upon the server by an operator. The leader or master is backed by followers, which may replace it some day. "replicas" for the followers works as well, but carries a meaning of "never gonna be made leader or master and is only there for redundancy". I don't really know if there's a stigma attached to it, but I always figured that 'master/follower' would never hit the same sensitive spot that 'master/slave' usually does since it re-contextualizes 'master' a bit. So far no complaints.

Primary/secondary can work well, but mostly in a tight failover/takeover scenario with paired hardware that doesn't really change topology: there is an expectation that you have two computers, the task runs mainly on one, the primary. If the primary fails, the systems fails over to the secondary. As soon as the primary comes back up, it may take over the work again, and the secondary sits tight doing little.

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:51

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Nobleman/peasant

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:10

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

gonadic io posted:

you can take my KILL CHILD from my cold dead body

we have software running on embedded devices that hits our server, it then reads the json response.

one of our requirements was to have a way to force the device to basically do a factory reset.

this is what we use:

code:

{
  "event_type": "SUICIDE_PILL",
  "payload": {
    "reason": "kill yourself"
  }
}

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:10

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

MononcQc posted:

I use leader if a server elected (as in quorum systems), and master if it is a title bestowed upon the server by an operator. The leader or master is backed by followers, which may replace it some day. "replicas" for the followers works as well, but carries a meaning of "never gonna be made leader or master and is only there for redundancy". I don't really know if there's a stigma attached to it, but I always figured that 'master/follower' would never hit the same sensitive spot that 'master/slave' usually does since it re-contextualizes 'master' a bit. So far no complaints.

Primary/secondary can work well, but mostly in a tight failover/takeover scenario with paired hardware that doesn't really change topology: there is an expectation that you have two computers, the task runs mainly on one, the primary. If the primary fails, the systems fails over to the secondary. As soon as the primary comes back up, it may take over the work again, and the secondary sits tight doing little.

at one point epics server team started replicas "near real-time copies of production" which led to the very fun to say abbreviation NRTC (NURRTACK).

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:31

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Fiedler: Jun 29, 2002; I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

jit bull transpile posted:

at one point epics server team started replicas "near real-time copies of production" which led to the very fun to say abbreviation NRTC (NURRTACK).

should be pronounced "nartic"

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:39

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