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BioEnchanted posted:Some of the Old saints may have had flawed beliefs, like one of the famous healers, I think Mother Theresa but it could have been someone else, didn't believe in painkillers and thought it better to let her patients just sweat it out. That's the most catholic thing I've ever heard, so I'd believe it.
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Yeah it was Mother Teresa. Christopher Hitchens' The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice is maybe the most well-known critical examinations of her, for whoever's interested.
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She didn't run a hospital. These places were staffed by nuns and volunteers. They didn't have the training to use serious painkillers, if they even had them available.
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She said some kind of poo poo things equating human pain and suffering to closeness with God. She took things a few steps further than not having training or money for medicine; there's evidence that she knowingly did harm/prevented treatment to the sick.
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greententacle posted:Maybe a form of the "Doctor Who rule" should come into play? That is, only expect time travel to work consistently in whichever Dr Who story you're currently watching/reading/listening to. Don't try to make sense of how time travel is supposed to work across all the different Dr Who stories, you'll just give yourself a headache. You can't interfere with past events, unless you already did, in which case you now have to, because you already did it. So you can't go back to your past to give yourself advice, but if future you comes back to tell you something, you then have to make sure you also do it when you take their place. It's pretty cool to think about.
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LividLiquid posted:Doctor Who, since the revival anyway, has been incredibly consistent with its rules of time travel. I'm pretty sure there's been episodes that break those rules though? Like, what about the Christmas Carol episode? The Doctor deliberately interferes with a dude's past, to change him from being a nasty person to a nice person. Outside of that episode, that sort of thing is usually not on, breaking the laws of time and all that. I haven't been keeping up with it though, last episode I saw was in the middle of Capaldi's last season.
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Christmas specials are always full of dumb macguffin stuff bc Christmas so they don’t count
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greententacle posted:I'm pretty sure there's been episodes that break those rules though? Like, what about the Christmas Carol episode? The Doctor deliberately interferes with a dude's past, to change him from being a nasty person to a nice person. Outside of that episode, that sort of thing is usually not on, breaking the laws of time and all that. I haven't been keeping up with it though, last episode I saw was in the middle of Capaldi's last season. Interfering is more of a "shouldn't" than a "can't" in DW, because of the aforementioned stable-loop fuckery it creates.
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Propaganda Machine posted:I'm getting the impression from this show that as well-thought-out as it is, it encourages the viewers to do some mental gymnastics to figure things out. I don't think this is a Well I do like that a lot of shows aren't that hand-holding these days, they respect your intelligence & ability to figure some things out without having it spelled out to you. Like, most sci fi shows now don't bother to explain to you what a parallel universe is, they assume the audience will already be familiar with that concept. You can definitely take it too far in that direction though. Like, when I first finished reading Douglas Adams's "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" I went, "Huh? What? Where's the ending?" I had to read an article online to understand what happened.
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where the script writes checks that it cannot cash, but there's definitely a sense of overanalysis going on here.
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greententacle posted:I'm pretty sure there's been episodes that break those rules though? Like, what about the Christmas Carol episode? The Doctor deliberately interferes with a dude's past, to change him from being a nasty person to a nice person. Outside of that episode, that sort of thing is usually not on, breaking the laws of time and all that. I haven't been keeping up with it though, last episode I saw was in the middle of Capaldi's last season. But even if it didn't work that one time, the rest of the time, it's been pretty consistent.
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While the live numbers suck, when you count streaming and DVR watching it's one of NBC's highest rated shows.
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mortal posted:Mindy started a foundation that improved every facet of human existence on Earth solely because she wanted to do good...and then died before she could do anything to lose points, or develop selfish motivations for the foundations work that would deny her the points it earned. That still seems to fit the theory that the criteria is absurdly high. She's nice though, just think - she let Chidi and Eleanor stay with her over and over and etc. Although maybe it's selfish because she wants some company.
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she wants sex and cocaine is what she wants. And honestly who doesn't?
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Taear posted:She's nice though, just think - she let Chidi and Eleanor stay with her over and over and etc. She hid a camera in their room to watch them have sex.
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JayBeeTee posted:She hid a camera in their room to watch them have sex. She's already dead so she doesn't lose points.
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JayBeeTee posted:She hid a camera in their room to watch them have sex. She didn’t hide the camera in the room, she filmed them through her “Lookin’ Hole”.
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One thing that seems strange to me is that Janet has an automatic fail-safe to avoid being rebooted...but there is apparently no fail-safe that exists for Janets being marbleized. In fact there were at least two instances I can recall where Janet was actively encouraging Michael to marbleize her. I suppose the real world explanation was that rebooting Janet was an idea from Season 1 which went along with D'arcy's hilarious pleas and face-down sand smash for comedic effect. For season 2 they needed to introduce something else that could happen to Janets and this time there was no time or reason to rehash the same joke (especially since we got a great Janet reboot montage early in Season 2). I guess for an in-universe explanation perhaps the entity (God? Gen the judge? Someone else?) that is in charge of Janets know that there is no harm in them being marbleized since there is an infinite supply of Janets as replacements but since Janets become more advanced when they are rebooted the fail-safe exists to keep Janets primitive. Or I just realized that the times that Janet is actively encouraging Michael to marbleize her it is because her very existence is endangering the humans. So maybe she is able to overwrite any fail-safe that she might have towards being marbleized because her primary mandate is to make the humans happy like the First Law of Robotics (not a robot).
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What happens if a Janet tries to reboot another Janet? Also can neutral Janets even do the failsafe?
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King of Foolians posted:I guess for an in-universe explanation perhaps the entity I'm rationalizing it with, "It prevents spurious resets by residents." Good Place residents:
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8one6 posted:While the live numbers suck, when you count streaming and DVR watching it's one of NBC's highest rated shows. FWIW We are the largest economy in Europe and yet I had to buy the 3rd season on itunes, because Netflix doesn't carry it here.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:FWIW We are the largest economy in Europe and yet I had to buy the 3rd season on itunes, because Netflix doesn't carry it here. The 3rd season is still airing. Netflix (in the US, at least) almost NEVER adds a season until it’s completely aired on regular tv.
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King of Foolians posted:One thing that seems strange to me is that Janet has an automatic fail-safe to avoid being rebooted...but there is apparently no fail-safe that exists for Janets being marbleized. In fact there were at least two instances I can recall where Janet was actively encouraging Michael to marbleize her. You can de-marbleize a Janet bu you can't de-reboot a Janet.
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King of Foolians posted:The 3rd season is still airing. Netflix (in the US, at least) almost NEVER adds a season until it’s completely aired on regular tv. That's for shows that it doesn't have first-run rights for. Here in the UK, Netflix airs TGP like 6 hours after it airs on NBC. Same as Better Call Saul, Star Trek Discovery and a bunch of other shows.
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King of Foolians posted:The 3rd season is still airing. Netflix (in the US, at least) almost NEVER adds a season until it’s completely aired on regular tv. When netflix is the licenced distributor for a show outside the US; episodes are generally added each week within a few hours of the US airing - in Australia it does this for the good place; black lightning, Star trek discovery, etc. In those Countries Netflix is where the show airs first.
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Yeah, a casual Australian viewer could not even realise it's an NBC Shoe, each episode even starts with a "Netflix Originals" card.
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Senor Tron posted:Yeah, a casual Australian viewer could not even realise it's an NBC Shoe, each episode even starts with a "Netflix Originals" card. Except for how the episodes come out weekly instead of the whole season being released all at once
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It's interesting because Amazon goes with delineating shows they commisioned as Amazon Originals vs Amazon Exclusive if they just bought distribution rights for a region, but Netflix tags everything as a Netflix Original regardless of origin.
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That's because, up until recently, Netflix didn't have a production arm. Pretty much all Netflix original content is purchased from a production company for distribution rights just like any other show on any other network Amazon started with their own production studio, content was made in house. It wasn't purchased for distribution only.
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greententacle posted:Except for how the episodes come out weekly instead of the whole season being released all at once If I didn't read this thread I'd have no idea it was on NBC. Some things on netflix just come out every week instead of all at once. And while yea that means it's airing elsewhere I doubt many people make that connection.
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bull3964 posted:That's because, up until recently, Netflix didn't have a production arm. Pretty much all Netflix original content is purchased from a production company for distribution rights just like any other show on any other network Why do they call it that? "Netflix Original" seems to imply they made it, rather than being made elsewhere & having the rights to it.
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Because it implies they made it, rather than being made elsewhere & having the rights to it.
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greententacle posted:Why do they call it that? "Netflix Original" seems to imply they made it, rather than being made elsewhere & having the rights to it. Even Arrested Development 4th and 5th season are tagged as Netflix Originals.
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King of Foolians posted:The 3rd season is still airing. Netflix (in the US, at least) almost NEVER adds a season until it’s completely aired on regular tv. To add to what others have said from overseas, you're never going to see this happen with Big Three(four) network shows in the States. You can thank Hulu for that (and, in the case of Star Trek, CBS). I think Better Call Saul was the first we got to see of weekly episodes on Netflix, and that's AMC.
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there's another video with the philosophy consultant for the show; Mother Forkin' Morals on Utilitarianism (and Trolleys): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuVreCbQOwc double nine fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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has this thread previously been named "the goon place" because how has that not happened yet
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swickles posted:Even Arrested Development 4th and 5th season are tagged as Netflix Originals. i may be confused, but netflix directly produced seasons 4 and 5. same as the new seasons of MST3K, at this point it is a netflix original even if it's not exactly, original
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Even then, they label it as semi-original.
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Just heard about this show and binged up to current. My new favorite show.
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Sub Rosa posted:Just heard about this show and binged up to current. My new favorite show. Welcome to the Good Place
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