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Bifauxnen posted:Solus is like my new favourite mafia player rn  now I'm gonna be the one lynched D1Also, important cat update: https://imgur.com/a/r6LtvBu The black cat is the toasty herocat. The torti is his sister he was trying to save. (he's very crunchy to pet)
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SolusLunes posted:
I'm sorry! but I cannot contain my feelings, I must tell the world
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Oct 2, 2018 21:29
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oh my goooooooooood also I'm changing my name suggestion, you need to go with Soot.
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All I can really say to the "reverse-engineered" claim is that... no I didn't? I saw bif's post and it really pinged me as scummy and worth a vote. Didn't like her responses, so I'm still voting her.Asiina posted:Also can we agree that chain-lynches are not actually scummy because like there's no reason that they are. Looking at someone's post and going "if this happens, I'm going to be suspicious of you" is a totally normal and town thing to say. Especially because if you're town there's always a chance you die at night, so why not put your opinions out there now. It's not like you're locking yourself into a vote by saying that. That never actually happens. No, chain lynches are scummy because they're fake content. You can just say that tomorrow. Feeling the need to pressure someone and go "WELL, IF THIS HAPPENS, I'M WATCHING YOU!!" is not normal and town, because you don't have any of that info yet. It's a false hypothetical and I think it's both bad and scummy to pretend like "this bandwagon I am considering jumping on is where we should look for scum tomorrow" is good town content. I guess I could see your point that chain lynches don't HAVE to be scummy? But I definitely think I'm saying "this is fake content" and giving the warrants for why I think it's scummy, I'm not just saying "X is scummy!" hambeet posted:people abuse the term like people used to abuse omgus. I agree with this. omgus is a stupid thing.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:40
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Bifauxnen posted:I "turned it into" a discussion about semantics because BK literally called it weird for me to have used the words I did. I'll be looking forward to seeing his reaction to Asiina herself calling my description of her accurate. Oh, at this point I think we had a genuine misunderstanding about the term "sussing out." I just think you changing your characterization of Asiina's case over the course of your posting makes you scummy, as I have made clear.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:44
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Bifauxnen posted:sometimes I think Mafia isn't really about casing, it's about letting out all your aggression into punishing people for not interpreting reality the way you do 
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Oct 2, 2018 21:45
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BottleKnight posted:No, chain lynches are scummy because they're fake content. You can just say that tomorrow. Feeling the need to pressure someone and go "WELL, IF THIS HAPPENS, I'M WATCHING YOU!!" is not normal and town, because you don't have any of that info yet. It's a false hypothetical and I think it's both bad and scummy to pretend like "this bandwagon I am considering jumping on is where we should look for scum tomorrow" is good town content. wait, so you think it's better to wait till tomorrow to pressure anyone? Why not do it now and see if anything happens? And you seem to be getting your bandwagons confused. You say I was considering jumping on the TMM bandwagon, but IP is the one I was saying sounded scummy and should maybe look at tomorrow. And no one was even talking about IP before I popped in to comment on that post of his.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:45
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you can't even tell when I am literally writing a post ABOUT myself god
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Oct 2, 2018 21:46
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BottleKnight posted:Oh, at this point I think we had a genuine misunderstanding about the term "sussing out." I just think you changing your characterization of Asiina's case over the course of your posting makes you scummy, as I have made clear. where did I change my characterisation of her case? You mean the "sussing out" characterisation she said is correct?
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Oct 2, 2018 21:49
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BottleKnight posted:Feeling the need to pressure someone and go "WELL, IF THIS HAPPENS, I'M WATCHING YOU!!" is not normal and town, because you don't have any of that info yet. It's a false hypothetical and I think it's both bad and scummy to pretend like "this bandwagon I am considering jumping on is where we should look for scum tomorrow" is good town content. "Yeah, this bandwagon that does not even exist, with zero votes for a person no one is talking about, that is who I am considering jumping on!!" you were so keen to jump in to be so confident off of one post of mine, but you can't even remember who the hell you're talking about when you talk about my actual positions.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:52
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 Deadline extended by 2 hours to 10 PM EDT, making Day 1 an even 48 hours. Thank you for your patience and flexibility with the interruptions this afternoon.  Votecount for Day 1   BottleKnight (4): Bifauxnen, Murmur Twin, Asiina, SolusLunes Bifauxnen (2): Bifauxnen, TMMadman (2): Murmur Twin, Asiina, IcePhoenix, Hal Incandenza, SolusLunes (1): King Burgundy IcePhoenix (1): Max hambeet (0): SolusLunes, Mr. Humalong (0): Max, King Burgundy (0): TMMadman, Max (0): Asiina, Murmur Twin (0): Bifauxnen, Not Voting (6): Asphyxious, hambeet, IllegallySober, Mr. Humalong, sniper4625, Social Studies 3rd Period  With 16 people still alive, it takes 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is October 02nd, 2018 at 10 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 5 hours.  The wagon train is moving at a steady pace. Today's execution method is Standard Majority.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:55
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SolusLunes posted:The 'chain lynch' is a wild misinterpretation of what bif has said. (incidentally, I've always read 'sussing out' as 'coming to a conclusion due to a collection of facts and gut reads') Could you please explain why you think Bifauxnen posted:got enough reasons there, bud? is not in any way basically a chain lynch? like, literally my point here is her saying "I like this and I might vote for TMM, but if TMM is town, this vote is where the scum are!" It's fake. And then she retreated to saying she doesn't agree with the case at all. I would prefer you say how I misinterpreted instead of just asserting that I did.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:56
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Bifauxnen posted:wait, so you think it's better to wait till tomorrow to pressure anyone? Why not do it now and see if anything happens? I think I have to agree here for the most part? A lot of my previous mafia experience more or less treated D1 throughout as a complete jokephase (often ending with no successful lynch per mod fiat... Yeah.) I think I like this a lot better. Yeah, it's a little rough but it still doesn't have to end in a lynch per se and pressuring even on D1 can provide info for later. Gonna have to be something to get used to, this much on D1 definitely caught me by surprise.
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Oct 2, 2018 21:59
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Oh glad for the extension I’m just getting ready to leave work and won’t be able to seriously read for a little while. TMM seems better I guess from recent posting...
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Oct 2, 2018 22:01
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Bifauxnen posted:wait, so you think it's better to wait till tomorrow to pressure anyone? Why not do it now and see if anything happens? I'm saying once you have the information you want, then you can use said information to case! Bifauxnen posted:you can't even tell when I am literally writing a post ABOUT myself god At this point, your aggressive posting has made me pretty annoyed and I'm ok with taking a cheap snipe Bifauxnen posted:"Yeah, this bandwagon that does not even exist, with zero votes for a person no one is talking about, that is who I am considering jumping on!!" What?? We're talking about the TMM votes, which I believe there were 2 of at the time, plus Hal saying he would vote for him? And you went from saying you liked the case and might vote to saying you didn't agree with the case and would only vote as a last resort. A pretty big moving goalpost.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:04
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BottleKnight posted:What?? We're talking about the TMM votes, which I believe there were 2 of at the time, plus Hal saying he would vote for him? And you went from saying you liked the case and might vote to saying you didn't agree with the case and would only vote as a last resort. A pretty big moving goalpost. I said I liked Asiina making the case, and might vote, but did not vote. And you just now said: BottleKnight posted:I think it's both bad and scummy to pretend like "this bandwagon I am considering jumping on is where we should look for scum tomorrow" is good town content. I said, that if TMM was lunched and flips town, we should look at IP as scummy tomorrow. So were you talking about TMM? if TMM is dead town tomorrow I should look at TMM for scum? Or were you talking about IP? And saying that I was considering jumping on the IP bandwagon which did not exist? You are conflating the two.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:10
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King Burgundy posted:I side with BK over Bif in that exchange. I think its possible Bif is scum this game. But I don't feel strongly enough about it to warrant a D1 vote. I'd hate to lose her early if she's town. So you side with me over her, but wouldn't want to lose her if she happened to be town. King Burgundy posted:Hmmm, ok, so we have to consolidate. I don't like the BK vote, but I don't feel strongly enough to not vote there. Would vote. That flip will help solidify other alignment reads. Still like my Solus vote. Would vote other lurkery people with ease. But then say you'd vote for me while you wouldn't vote for bif? I'm confused.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:11
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Asiina posted:I don't really get that multi-quote post Solus just did, because it seems like you're leaning for BK as town, but then declare Bif town and vote for him. Uhhh yeah
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Oct 2, 2018 22:12
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Bifauxnen posted:I said I liked Asiina making the case, and might vote, but did not vote. "If TMM was lunched and flips town" = the bandwagon. The bandwagon that killed a townie player, TMM, is then where you should look for scum tomorrow, according to you. You are literally still misinterpreting my posting.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:13
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BottleKnight posted:"If TMM was lunched and flips town" = the bandwagon. The bandwagon that killed a townie player, TMM, is then where you should look for scum tomorrow, according to you. You are literally still misinterpreting my posting. ok that makes more sense... if TMM died and flipped scum I wasn't going to see IP's post as scummy anymore, though. And I didnt think it was scummy enough for a vote yet, but it might have been, if he'd had a weird reaction to me pointing him out.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:21
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BottleKnight posted:So you side with me over her, but wouldn't want to lose her if she happened to be town. Sounds like you have it right. I value a town Bif too highly to risk a cuddle over something so trivial on D1. But even though I think they are wrong, a ton of people think you are scum and many people have commented on your cuddle. So regardless of who is right, it is still a great cuddle to draw further insights from tomorrow. I'm not so confident in my read of you that it is worth drawing a line in the sand over.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:21
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If I have this right: BK says Bif supported Asiina's case (only to later retreat and recant under pressure) and was calling for suspicion on any TMM voters for a future chainlynch, while Bif is claiming that she was supporting Asiina making a case and was specifically calling out IP for specious reasoning on the lynch. Then uh you both started yelling at each other and things devolved. Correct?
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Oct 2, 2018 22:22
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sniper4625 posted:If I have this right: BK says Bif supported Asiina's case (only to later retreat and recant under pressure) and was calling for suspicion on any TMM voters for a future chainlynch, while Bif is claiming that she was supporting Asiina making a case and was specifically calling out IP for specious reasoning on the lynch. Then uh you both started yelling at each other and things devolved. Correct? not just any TMM voters. I thought IP's vote on particular sounded like it could be the kind of post a scum would make when they want to get the bandwagon moving, but felt a need to awkwardly overexplain their action with jokes. But Asiina seemed very sincere in her own casing of TMM. It wasn't necessarily bad to want to join her. It called for more poking.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:27
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sniper4625 posted:If I have this right: BK says Bif supported Asiina's case (only to later retreat and recant under pressure) and was calling for suspicion on any TMM voters for a future chainlynch, while Bif is claiming that she was supporting Asiina making a case and was specifically calling out IP for specious reasoning on the lynch. Then uh you both started yelling at each other and things devolved. Correct? Bif never really supported the case in a meaningful way so that’s not quite right
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Oct 2, 2018 22:28
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sniper4625 posted:If I have this right: BK says Bif supported Asiina's case (only to later retreat and recant under pressure) and was calling for suspicion on any TMM voters for a future chainlynch, while Bif is claiming that she was supporting Asiina making a case and was specifically calling out IP for specious reasoning on the lynch. Then uh you both started yelling at each other and things devolved. Correct? My third point is that bif super hedged on asiina's tmm case, which she then had to nail down her opinions about later (in a way I find inconsistent with what she had previously said about asiina's case)
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Oct 2, 2018 22:30
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Hal Incandenza posted:Bif never really supported the case in a meaningful way so that’s not quite right I mean that's the impression I got too - it seemed like she was glad someone was making an attempt at something, but the following posts made it pretty clear she wasn't enthused about the actual work product. I guess this is why I'm still leaning BK - I disagree with his fundamental suppositions regarding the hill hes chosen to die on.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:31
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Bifauxnen posted:not just any TMM voters. I thought IP's vote on particular sounded like it could be the kind of post a scum would make when they want to get the bandwagon moving, but felt a need to awkwardly overexplain their action with jokes. my head is exploding because this actually makes sense. i know as i'm typing this that you're going to say "But i already explained it exactly this way!!" and maybe you did and i just didnt piece it together, but (specifically the bolded part) makes a lot of sense and actually makes me feel a lot better about you
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Oct 2, 2018 22:32
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Driving back home, will be around for deadline and will catch up then.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:33
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I just got home and haven't read much of anything, diving in now and I should be around until deadline.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:34
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Max posted:Driving back home, will be around for deadline and will catch up then.   
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Oct 2, 2018 22:34
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BottleKnight posted:my head is exploding
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Oct 2, 2018 22:35
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I literally do not even know how to react this like never happens to me in mafia ##unvote while I get some coffee
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Oct 2, 2018 22:38
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##unvote Just read back through some posts and I think I got really caught up on the distinction between "I like the case" and "I don't agree with the case" because that just didn't make any sense to me. Bif tying it up like that makes a lot more sense on that particular point.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:41
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Solus is really the only other person I've thought was particularly scummy today ##vote solus
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Oct 2, 2018 22:49
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See I told you all this is the chillest game.
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Oct 2, 2018 22:49
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BottleKnight posted:Solus is really the only other person I've thought was particularly scummy today ##vote solus noooooo what have I done
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Oct 2, 2018 22:51
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##vote IP would be better imo
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Oct 2, 2018 22:54
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Bifauxnen posted:##vote IP I'll vote IP if that's what it comes down to near deadline, but that frustration post is one I read as genuine.
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Bifauxnen posted:##vote IP 
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