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Rubber Chicken posted:I still highly doubt that this show is designed to make people think the Jedi, as a whole, are kidnapping groomer genociders or whatever. That's ridiculous and I'm ridiculing it. Hell, Disney even mostly wants pirates and monarchs to be seen as good, because they sell those things. i think so far from the structure of the show, they are intending for the idea of the jedi as good protectors to be challenged to, as smg mentioned above, the children and childbrained viewers that have not already inferred their true moral culpability and corruption from all the other primary sources where they are depicted that way. the goal of this show seems to be a """shocking""" reveal where to some degree this corruption has festered in the order for a long time, and it is only through the stranger and oshas trauma does it get set free and snowball into Star Wars. i can absolutely agree that they do not intend for the criticism to be as scathing as the one i hold, and i cannot imagine i am entirely alone in my stance but again can concede that even those critical of the jedi may not feel as strongly as i do. Arc Light posted:I don't know about the year, but it happens concurrently with the first Star Wars film. An Imperial officer tells Vader that the Senate will be pissed off by their treatment of Leia and Vader responds that the Senate has been disbanded so they no longer need to play nice. thats true he mentions the senate in anh. is she ever referred as former senator in rogue one or anh or something? she still may give up her position. though we might get a more emotionally complex scene where she feels the pull of wanting/needing to abdicate but instead chooses to stay, making a mistake and knowing she is but appealing to some sort of internal lib brained need for status or something. theres room there for a few outcomes. andor rules edit i totally forgot about that, but it must have been rattling around in my brain. in some fairness, i burned through all of filoniwars in a couple big blocks and while its generally alright it really bled together past a certain point Paper Lion fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jul 6, 2024 |
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Paper Lion posted:love to ascribe positive spirituality to the emotionally deprived death cult (not you marsupial ape, the franchise at large) I gotcha. My greater point is that the Jedi of this era feel a 'pall cast upon the Force' because they institutionalized themselves. You don't need Sheev and his generational Sith schemes cooked up in a cauldron to cut the Jedi off from the Force. Jedi no longer do the Will of the Force. Jedi do the will of protocols, policies, and politics. I think Jedi are cool. I think the Jedi Order is dumb. edit: since we're talking the Jedi being groomers, I noticed something in the very first episode that caught my attention, but haven't shared since its complete conjecture. When we are introduced to Sol, he teaching Jedi pre-school. Having been a teacher a long time ago, I always smirk because not even my suspension of disbelief can swallow that much serenity and articulation out of a kid that young. Then, right as Sol ends the class because Vernestra has arrived, the camera cuts to a little girl who snaps awake as if from a day dream or a trance. Are these Jedi using the Force to group hypnotize these kids to make them for receptive to indoctrination? Its at the 18:55 and honestly kind of adorable. Counter to my own argument: she just be happy its lunch time. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jul 6, 2024 |
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Paper Lion posted:people that are reasonable but sadly cannot be listened to or trusted because they "go too far" either in action or rhetoric are a staple of star wars and its desperate centrist agenda. look only at how people both in the stories and in the fandom generally talk about saw gerrera, or the disbelief of quigon for being "too mystical" about the prophesy, the jedi refusing to acknowledge anakin and in the process alienating him and making him vulnerable to manipulation, any time a droid rights activist shows up. much like harry potter, the great fantasy at the heart of star wars is a retvrn to a centrist status quo where those who once had socially acceptable power can safely return to those posts, not any real sociopolitical progress or enrichment of the average joe people that live in these settings. which, again, is why andor is so great, because it focuses so much on the average joe people and the only time we see elites like mon mothma its a) in connection to those peoples struggle or b) how her methods are inherently flawed due to her desire for self preservation within her station of the existing political framework. hopefully in season 2 we get to see her say gently caress you to the senate, reveal herself and actually commit to the rebellion. even though we know thanks to the mandalorian that she becomes an ineffective puppet after her own final political ascension Well, that goes back to the Star Wars fundamentals. The chronological plot of the first six episodes is the story of the restoration of the status quo, but this is presented out of order, so that things actually end in a much more ambiguous place. The lengthy Return Of The King ending of Episode 3 is obviously the grand finale for the entire series, and it ends with C3PO killed by the good guys, the suns setting on the doomed couple, the Death Star looming, etc. 'Ambiguous' might not even be the right word, because the obvious point is that things are very bad and might not get better. That's the note we end on. So, Lucas' films present the ideological narrative (of the in-universe narrator, or whoever's telling this myth) in a twisted form. The official ending is not the end. It's as simple as restructuring Snow White so that, after she's rescued by the prince, the story ends with her exiled from the kingdom and lost in the dark woods - but that switch has a big dramatic effect. Lucas' films are "The Tragedy of Darth Vader", and everything is contextualized by his seeming failure to change the course of things. The event (where he, the incarnation of God Itself, suffers and dies for our sins) has already occurred, and we persist in the aftermath. Even Abrams and the gang got this, to some extent, with their sequel films: Ben Solo sought to 'finish what Vader started' and was threatened with Jedi assassination. As a result, Palpatine was allowed to grow back, and nearly retook control of the poo poo-rear end Republic through Rey - even, arguably, did. Good as it is, Andor's not really doing anything hugely new for the series. That show's building off of Rogue One (where Saw and his successors are the good guys), which is building off of Vader's plan to recruit Luke in Episode 6. The frequent lapses into "moral ambiguity" in Andor are just once again restaging that throne room battle where Luke and Vader fight to determine which political system will replace the Empire. When leftists make strategic alliances with the center-right to defeat the fascist far-right, who ultimately wins? ("Somehow, Palpatine returned.") Rubber Chicken posted:I still highly doubt that this show is designed to make people think the Jedi, as a whole, are kidnapping groomer genociders or whatever. While it should always be emphasized that it doesn't ultimately matter what the intent was, thinking as an artist can help with literacy skills. If you were to make a TV show presenting some really cool virtuous characters, would purposefully include stuff like this black-gloved soldier strapping a young woman to a table so that he can rationally explain to her why her parents deserved to die? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 6, 2024 |
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Is Yoda not even on the council at this point? If you're dealing with some unknown threat that is going around and killing multiple Jedi, I figure somebody would at least mention contacting Master Yoda for his advice or help or just a mention. Please don't tell me they're saving him for the final episode, where he walks in on the Council after returning from his vacation and mentions something about feeling a tremor in the Force recently and decided to return immediately. Calling it now, they will involve Dagobah and that Dark Side cave for the fan service.
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It's been established that Yoda was already a Master by the time of the High Republic but whether he'll actually show up in this series remains to be seen (I think someone earlier said he was originally supposed to appear a few episodes ago in place of Mundi)
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They've said that at one point Yoda was going to be the cameo instead of Ki-Adi-Mundi. Vernestra is trying to keep things under wraps and stop the Council from finding out though. e: (one of the writers) https://x.com/clairekiechel/status/1803311497818620222
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Marsupial Ape posted:IMHO, the Jedi are a Transcendentalist religion that have the ultimate goal of removing themselves from the tyranny of matter. Start at the ending: the 'perfect' expression of the Jedi faith is to evaporate completely from this world, as if they never existed. Apotheosis into the Force is the Jedi version of 3rd black belt. A beautiful death, bloodless death by lightsaber is a second-best. All of their performative asceticism is a practice in non-attachment to not only things and people, but also the joys of existing. Jedi do not want to exist inside the galaxy, how can you trust them to it protect? This is why Jolee Bindo was right to divest himself of the Jedi, bunch of emotionless weirdos
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They've said that at one point Yoda was going to be the cameo instead of Ki-Adi-Mundi. I wonder if I should ask about The Stranger being named after The Stranger (Dionysus) in The Bacchae? I almost don't want to find out and collapse the waveform.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I wonder if I should ask about The Stranger being named after The Stranger (Dionysus) in The Bacchae? I almost don't want to find out and collapse the waveform. It's actually the stranger from oddworld
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i'm getting into the other high republic media to get some background on the era and one interesting thing is that there are at least 6 major "light side" force religions at the time jedi church of the force disciples of the whills sorcerers of the tund the lonto the matukai plus whatever osha's family calls themselves i'm only in phase 2 right now but i'm curious how that gets collapsed down to just the jedi by the time of the TPM republic
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i feel like, considering his role in the story as an antagonist to the established rules of society and jedi spirituality and the specific commentary he has on those subjects, the stranger is much more likely to be a nod to the camus novel than to the bacchae, at least in primary intention or considerationsite posted:i'm getting into the other high republic media to get some background on the era and one interesting thing is that there are at least 6 major "light side" force religions at the time probably by having their children stolen by jedi as part of their thousand generation cultural genocide and their remaining practitioners pushed out to the furthest edges of the outer rim
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Paper Lion posted:i feel like, considering his role in the story as an antagonist to the established rules of society and jedi spirituality and the specific commentary he has on those subjects, the stranger is much more likely to be a nod to the camus novel than to the bacchae, at least in primary intention or consideration I like Oddworld better.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I like Oddworld better. you know filoni would have barged onto set, taken his cowboy hat off and forced it onto mannys head if that were the case. even though this is the one thing he doesnt have a credit on (lmao at the 17 producer credits on this show, though nothing beats picard having 21 which still makes me insane)
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Paper Lion posted:you know filoni would have barged onto set, taken his cowboy hat off and forced it onto mannys head if that were the case. even though this is the one thing he doesnt have a credit on (lmao at the 17 producer credits on this show, though nothing beats picard having 21 which still makes me insane) I'm veering towards The Bacchae because the name Mae is evocative of 'maenad". That's a writer getting a little too clever.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:While it should always be emphasized that it doesn't ultimately matter what the intent was, thinking as an artist can help with literacy skills.  to more condescending bullshitSuperMechagodzilla posted:If you were to make a TV show presenting some really cool virtuous characters, would purposefully include stuff like this black-gloved soldier strapping a young woman to a table so that he can rationally explain to her why her parents deserved to die? Infantalizing her by emphasizing her age and gender for cheap pathos when she is an adult serial killer with actual magic powers is a big lol. Yes, we do typically expect authorities to harmlessly restrain individuals demonstrating an immediate likelihood of danger to themselves or others when having to interact with them, especially alone. And you're just completely making up the second part of that sentence. That didn't happen. Great post overall, really
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is it really fair to call mae a serial killer? she killed carrie ann moss in the duel, but then just offered the second guy poison and told him if he feels so guilty he should probably drink it. then he drank it. are we removing his own agency from this affair? then she didnt even kill kelnacca, he was already slashed open when she got there. i guess you could count pip as her second murder, if you think droids are people (you should, i do, most dont), but two murders doesnt really qualify one as a serial killer in my eyes (yes, dictionary definition is two or more over extended period, i acknowledge this) especially when most people in the setting wouldnt even view one of them as a murder.
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Paper Lion posted:is it really fair to call mae a serial killer? she killed carrie ann moss in the duel, but then just offered the second guy poison and told him if he feels so guilty he should probably drink it. then he drank it. are we removing his own agency from this affair? then she didnt even kill kelnacca, he was already slashed open when she got there. i guess you could count pip as her second murder, if you think droids are people (you should, i do, most dont), but two murders doesnt really qualify one as a serial killer in my eyes (yes, dictionary definition is two or more over extended period, i acknowledge this) especially when most people in the setting wouldnt even view one of them as a murder. Attempted serial killer? Hitman assassin gang initiate? She was certainly TRYING to be a multiple murderer, and as an initiation to a cult. And she's certainly willing and capable to do it again to the best of Sol's knowledge. She's not just "a young woman" is really the point. It's like context stopped existing for a second there.
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Rubber Chicken posted:I wouldn't personally, no. BUT That's not what a serial killer is. An older man who is also in a position of authority has a woman strapped to a table and is choosing this moment as the most opportune time to have a private conversation about her childhood trauma. Like, instead of not doing that. He could just stay silent and drive back to the precinct, but he decides not to. It's all inappropriate in many obvious ways, long before it even got to this point. Why is Sol even on this case? It's good drama and helps Master Shrek do her coverup, but Sol's so compromised that the other Jedi understandably speculate that he snapped and killed everyone. Sol has transparently been trying to cover up a dark secret for the entire series. He's not the one to be doing anything alone with this suspect. This is where you gotta curb your instinct to rationalize away everything the 'good guys' do in a story. "Obviously the cop needs to restrain her; she's a criminal!" This continual deference to authority (ultimately grounded in the imagined intent of God Disney) is genuinely impacting your ability to interpret a text.
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i think taking smg at good faith, what hes trying to convey is that despite the things she has done, there has been in at least some part a manipulation of her because she is young and has been molded with incorrect information and her youth and highly charged emotions are leading her astray, in sol's view as an old man that thinks emotions are evil. and the second half of his post is pretty accurate, he is wearing black gloves, he does have her shackled down to a table, and he is going to tell her his side of the story. will it be "rationally explain why her parents had to die"? i dont think the show will try to frame it that way. will it come across that way? i wouldnt personally bet on it but i absolutely wouldnt begrudge someone betting it would. there are a lot of different ways they can bungle this next episode. thats probably the thing that interests me the most about this show, seeing what they are trying to present vs what they are actually presenting and prodding at the disconnect between them. it certainly isnt the endless scenes of staring and shuffling around
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What are peoples bets on weather or not sol will actually tell her the big secret next episode? The moment he starts talking the ship could come under attack or mae could escape leading to a fight. I think we got a good chance of sol finally revealing his secret but with this show you never know.
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its directed by the same person that did episode 3, and narratively speaking if they rugpull this reveal there will be 0 goodwill left for this program, even from the people that have been enjoying it, so theres no shot we dont get the full story and context
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It's very obvious that part of the story (of SW in general) is that the Jedi institution is failing in various ways and has rot from within etc. just to be clear that I'm not arguing that All Jedi are Good or whatever. And Jedi don't preach that emotions are evil. They believe that attachment and certain emotions like hate and anger and fear are dangerous for the force sensitive and frequently lead to evil. A fact which the evil guys agree on! Comparing religious beliefs, politics, etc in our world directly 1:1 to a world with actual evil wizards with actual magic powers and a millennias old government and social structure... Is going to lead to dumb poo poo. It's not a great setting for handwringing moralizing if you're going to ignore the premises of the universe in favor of our own. It's just too different. If I believed that Mormons could actually suck you out of your heaven into theirs by posthumously baptizing you, or that vampires and witches and Voldemort really existed then YES things would and should be different regarding how we treat cults and religious ceremonies. Oh we have Death Eater day at school today. Freedom of religion and all that. Avada Kadavra!
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Baronjutter posted:I think we got a good chance of sol finally revealing his secret but with this show you never know. There's no indication that the events are a secret to Mae. Sol isn't going to be explaining what happened, but probably various whys: why they considered the witches evil, why they immediately flew away with OSHA, didn't ever search the castle, whatever. They didn't even try to give her a burial, after all. Sol's whole character is about trying to justify his continued service to the Jedi Order despite Big Mistakes, so he's likely going to try to bullshit Mae in that same way. (As we see from the photo that he keeps even though he's not supposed to, Sol sees OSHA as his redemption.) SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jul 6, 2024 |
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Azhais posted:It's actually the stranger from oddworld It's ACTUALLY https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20stranger The life of a Sith is a lonely one.
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you have to understand that "attachment" is a blanket they can throw over anything that gives you a positive feeling though, right? dont love them, youll get attached. dont feel proud of them, thats attachment. caught you ducking into dexter jettsters diner a little too often for his yummy dinner, gettin a little attached to that space greek and his funny food are ya? its a thought killing word to make them seem less bad than the alternative, if they were totally blunt and actually said "you cant feel any emotions at all or else we fear (a strong emotion itself, jedi hypocracy strikes again) that you will turn to the dark side." yes, sith will say that emotions gave them power and twirl their moustaches about it, absolutely. but that is also because the franchise has been either too creatively bankrupt or too deeply uninterested in showing us force sensitive antagonists that arent either already sith or telegraphed as being on the escalator down to it. its why i like the stranger right now, even though i feel that the show will get lazy and say he is a sith: because right now HE ISNT. hes just a disillusioned guy that had jedi training, lets himself feel his feelings, and wants to be left alone to explore the force his way with a friend. if they leave him like this, i will be completely happy at the end of the shows run to give them the credit they are due for going and staying in that direction. now, i absolutely believe that next episode he will go fully mask off instead of his power of two dogwhistling earlier, but i just really wish they didnt. i dont mind the universe having a way it works, im not saying throw the whole paradigm out forever, im just saying that there are more interesting places for "evil" to live than in the presence of old cackling cartoon men with facial deformities, literally space dracula, a lizard robot, a person named SAVAGE OPPRESS. the list of absurdities goes on. if the show wants to have the trappings of prestige tv, then i am going to criticize it accordingly. i dont think i am being unkind to the show, i am operating in good faith, and i do appreciate getting to chat about these things
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Baronjutter posted:What are peoples bets on weather or not sol will actually tell her the big secret next episode? The moment he starts talking the ship could come under attack or mae could escape leading to a fight. I think we got a good chance of sol finally revealing his secret but with this show you never know. Osha and Mae are foils to each other. They are two poles of the same field. Those poles have now reversed and we will now see one take on the attributes of the other. Whatever Sol confesses to Mae will cause her to recontextualize and become an ally of the Jedi. Whatever Osha reveals to herself within her helmet-trip will cause her to recontextualize and become an ally of the Stranger. I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the big hosed up reveal is that Osha caused the fire...or...really out on a limb, all this time Osha has been Mae and Mae has been Osha and we're in Us territory. I think there will all be a reveal that Carrie Ann Moss, the only person Mae has legitimately killed, had it coming. Sol had an emotional break down (for a Jedi) and took on Osha out of guilt. Floaty guy was so deeply traumatized that he committed spiritual suicide even before Mae showed up with poison (again, with the wanting to remove ones self from the world), and the Wookie was so hosed up he set up a shack in the woods to draw circles and get mad at salad. Carrie Ann Moss' character? Hanging out in a bar having lunch, not a care in the world. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jul 6, 2024 |
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Good point honestly, she was the one character there that night that didn’t seem too broken up about it when we saw her in the present, I’m also gonna hazard a guess that means something
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Potentially they could go with Osha killing an unarmed Sol. They could go really dark with what they’ve set up. Or not I mean they could also have a Mae turn around and then save Osha from the dark side. Another way they could go is stranger dies ala Obiwan because they’ve already linked Osha to a “Luke” role. If they stick the landing (and there are many ways they could!) This will be a pretty good show.
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Sort of curious if there will be any potential for a second season as well or if this is just a one and done show
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My optimal ending is that the twins reconcile and gently caress off from all this Jedi and Sith nonsense to restart a new coven. I would read that series of paperbacks.
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Larryb posted:Sort of curious if there will be any potential for a second season as well or if this is just a one and done show I read an interview with the show runner where she said three seasons were planned and that she wanted to continue beyond that if possible. I think she said she wanted to make this show until she retires. I think season two is already greenlit.
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Marsupial Ape posted:My optimal ending is that the twins reconcile and gently caress bro what i know the prevalent theory of qimmirs scars are from vernestras light whip, but that scar is forked, which makes me think its a strike of force lightning
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Paper Lion posted:you have to understand that "attachment" is a blanket they can throw over anything that gives you a positive feeling though, right? dont love them, youll get attached. dont feel proud of them, thats attachment. caught you ducking into dexter jettsters diner a little too often for his yummy dinner, gettin a little attached to that space greek and his funny food are ya? its a thought killing word to make them seem less bad than the alternative, if they were totally blunt and actually said "you cant feel any emotions at all or else we fear (a strong emotion itself, jedi hypocracy strikes again) that you will turn to the dark side." yes, sith will say that emotions gave them power and twirl their moustaches about it, absolutely. but that is also because the franchise has been either too creatively bankrupt or too deeply uninterested in showing us force sensitive antagonists that arent either already sith or telegraphed as being on the escalator down to it. Well hang on; this stuff didn’t just come out of nowhere. The rules of the Jedi Order in the prequels (such as those against attachment) are derived from their presentation in the first three movies. As a prequel to the prequel trilogy, Acoolyte is ultimately just exploring the implications of Ben and Yoda’s teachings. So, why no attachment? The origin of the rule is Yoda’s attempt to prevent Luke from finding out the truth about Vader. Yoda specifically fears that Luke’s desperate need to reunite with Anakin will compromise his ability to carry out missions for the Alliance. That’s not unreasonable; they’re fighting space fascists and Luke should totally stay the gently caress away from Anakin Skywalker. That guy was messed up and killed a whole lot of people due to his mommy issues. However, Yoda doesn’t seem to know or understand that Vader is a psychologically distinct character who’s plotting to dethrone the Emperor and create a new type of society. As the series progresses, it’s increasingly underlined that the Rebellion aren’t necessarily the greatest - and the Republic was straight-up awful. So Yoda’s well-intentioned teachings end up proving flawed. In any case, there’s an important point here: from the beginning, Luke is the “force-sensitive antagonist” who ignores Yoda’s lesson about attachment at great peril. There’s a fundamental ambiguity as to whether Luke ends up attached to Vader (revolutionary anger at the oppressive system) or Anakin (mere anger at the scary enemies of the Republic). The prequels (and Acoolyte) explore the latter point, where attachment is defined as whatever you might prioritize over your service to the greater Good. If you remain unattached, the Jedi maintain, you can stay pure even as you do bad stuff: “To a dark place, this line of thought will carry us. Great care we must take.” It’s why Anakin got as far as he did. So, with the Sol character, there’s an interesting thing where his attachment to OSHA as almost a surrogate daughter is what lets him keep showing up for work as an enforcer of the dang proto-Empire. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jul 6, 2024 |
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rockear posted:I read an interview with the show runner where she said three seasons were planned and that she wanted to continue beyond that if possible. I think she said she wanted to make this show until she retires. Though I also heard they originally wanted to wait until Season 2 to reveal Darth Manny’s identity so plans might have changed. We’ll see how it goes I guess
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rockear posted:I think season two is already greenlit. I just tried to find where I saw this and apparently I didn't LOL
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“I think a good twist is telegraphing what's going to happen, and then once it does, executing it without an ounce of pity or sentimentality.” You know, I think I like this Headland person.
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NoneMoreNegative posted:It's ACTUALLY Force choking the chicken
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Foregoing attachment isn't particularly novel and the main reason it's there is because it was cribbed from various real-world things But yeah in character it's basically why Yueh was able to be turned in Dune, if you have attachment you won't keep your eye on the ball because you'll be worried about people or can be blackmailed etc Avatar (tla not cat people) has multiple Jedi like previous avatars tell Aang the same thing for the same reason and he decides he's stronger with attachments But again, there's no Dark Side to be tempted to in that case. And the Jedi never (I don't think, dogmatically anyway) say it's the Only Way to be safe, just a known proven way and they've seen other ways almost always fail, so it stands to reason that's what they'd base their practice on. Ezra and Kanan basically ignore this as well, with high risk and eventual success. of course Kanan wasn't really ever a fully trained Jedi and Ezra never was but it's true that SW media has been questioning the requirement forever, since the beginning. But the Jedi characters in Acolyte have very good faith reasons to believe as they do
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If you look at the films, we only ever see the Jedi "no attachments" dogma fail, over and over. Why does Anakin fall? Not because of his attachment, but because he's frustrated and afraid that the Jedi won't help him. He can't go to his mentors for help because that would also mean losing his family, so he falls prey to Sheev. Luke is told he shouldn't go save his friends, but does anyway. His attachments are important to him, and are critical to him winning the day in the end, both his friendships and emotional connection to his father. Separating yourself from the world to be pure and holy is something the Jedi love to talk about, but the actual story says that it sucks and doesn't work.
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Jul 6, 2024 21:39
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