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So Sol couldn't have just told the twins to get off the platforms while he was holding them up?
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Disappointed there was no scene of one of the Jedi hilding up the metal detector to Torbin and going "I found the virgince"
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BastardySkull posted:I just wish we would get to see a period where the Jedi actually live up to their name as being extremely competent and formidable literal Knights. With some ideological flaws, yes, but otherwise worthy of their reputation in a way the Order in TPM wasn't. Return of the Jedi?
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I have enjoyed this show on the whole but I feel like it is very weirdly edited and paced. Honestly, I think they would’ve done better to intersperse the flashbacks throughout the show rather than having two whole episodes covering the exact same events. The Wookie fight loving whipped though.
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i had too much of an edible before i watched this last night did they really do an earnest english language pop song about the themes of the show over the credits?zoux posted:Disappointed there was no scene of one of the Jedi hilding up the metal detector to Torbin and going "I found the virgince" *shriiwook roars* "He says "we ain't found sheit'"
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There's probably some hack on this show that worked on Willow.
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HootTheOwl posted:Re: The fire What? The Jedi didn’t attack the temple with the ship’s weapons. She’s just watching internal explosions that somehow happened because of a smallish electrical fire.
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Jul 10, 2024 14:12
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My thoughts on this episode as a whole are that I don't know which intern submitted their student film as an episode, but it gets a C+ overall.
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Jul 10, 2024 14:16
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Neddy Seagoon posted:So Sol couldn't have just told the twins to get off the platforms while he was holding them up? I...kinda get it Everyone was acting irrational and panicking, not thinking straight, which feeds into why the Jedi double down on no attachment or being unduly guided by their emotions, letting them get the better of them - this is what happens when things reach a boiling point, and what gets repeated with Anakin
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Snowmanatee posted:What? The Jedi didn’t attack the temple with the ship’s weapons. She’s just watching internal explosions that somehow happened because of a smallish electrical fire.
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Jul 10, 2024 14:25
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That's not how I remember it: The Acolyte, Roshamon edition
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Jul 10, 2024 14:26
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I have no idea how they are going to resolve all this stuff satisfactorily* in one more episode. Was this already renewed for s2?
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zoux posted:I have no idea how they are going to resolve all this stuff satisfactorily* in one more episode. Was this already renewed for s2? It does feel like they squandered this episode. We have to do what Mae experiences in Helmet Space and then get some sort of resolution with Vernestra looking for Sol within the last episode.
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SimonChris posted:I don't know why everyone thinks the witches dropped dead when their connection was cut. I assumed they just passed out and then died when the place collapsed. The only reason I assume they died is if they didn't, leaving them in the burning building without even trying to save them was really hosed up. "Save the twins!" "What about all these women?" "Eh, gently caress them." But then I also can't explain why they died.
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thrawn527 posted:The only reason I assume they died is if they didn't, leaving them in the burning building without even trying to save them was really hosed up. "Save the twins!" "What about all these women?" "Eh, gently caress them." I think the generator thing was at the top of the fortress and the witches were doing their chant circle in the lower level. Since they were knocked out, they didn't escape the concussive blast of the generator. I think. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 10, 2024 |
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thrawn527 posted:The only reason I assume they died is if they didn't, leaving them in the burning building without even trying to save them was really hosed up. "Save the twins!" "What about all these women?" "Eh, gently caress them." The general inference is psychic backlash from pushing them out of Kelbacca's mind
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They really need to replace Lesley Headland as showrunner if they do a season 2, or bring in a co-showrunner. I like Russian Doll, but she does not have the juice here. Need someone more skilled at wrangling the editors and writers and producers towards a cohesive season.
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HootTheOwl posted:That's not how I remember it: The Acolyte, Roshamon edition Feels like a waste to do a Star Wars Rashomon and not call it "A Certain Point of View"
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I kind of like aspects of this show but if it actually gets renewed for another season they really need to pace things a lot better I don’t think Star Wars has ever done a pop song before but it kind of works (and further emphasizes the whole “the twins are actually two halves of the same person” aspect this episode brought up). Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 10, 2024 |
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So what's in the big black pit the witches were gathered around or near? Another dark side cave?
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BastardySkull posted:So what's in the big black pit the witches were gathered around or near? Another dark side cave? Caves are the wombs of the earth. The Ascension takes place on the precipice of the pit as the eclipse happens over head. The earth mirrors the sky. But, yeah, it's probably a dark side cave.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I think the generator thing was at the top of the fortress and the witches were doing their chant circle in the lower level. Since they were knocked out, they didn't escape the concussive blast of the generator. I think. Sure, but my point is, if they weren't dead yet, shouldn't the Jedi have tried to save them, too, and not just the twins? Unless you're saying the blast happened before Indara said to save the twins, I'm a little sketchy on the timing. Neddy Seagoon posted:The general inference is psychic backlash from pushing them out of Kelbacca's mind I guess, but then, as someone else pointed out, that is a super risky move on their part. "This is gonna take all of us, and if we get pushed out, we all die." "...is there a plan B?"
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I am in absolute love with the interior of the Jedi ship. The colours and everything are just beautiful. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's one of the best ship interiors Star Wars has ever done.
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thrawn527 posted:Sure, but my point is, if they weren't dead yet, shouldn't the Jedi have tried to save them, too, and not just the twins? Unless you're saying the blast happened before Indara said to save the twins, I'm a little sketchy on the timing. I'd have to do a rewatch to figure out the timing. I would say that the episode is running on dream logic, but it's more like concussion logic. edit: did anybody notice the weird march Sol was doing as he and Torbin strode into the courtyard after breaking in? Weird character choice Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jul 10, 2024 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:My thoughts on this episode as a whole are that I don't know which intern submitted their student film as an episode, but it gets a C+ overall. Interestingly, this episode and the other flashback were directed by Kogonada, who cut his teeth doing video essays on youtube. He has done a couple of movies, Columbus and After Yang, which were quite well regarded, but this is his first time doing TV (and a project under Disney). So like, this guy obviously knows his stuff, but clearly wasn't able to get it right here, for whatever reason.
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Sol is an absolute bungler. All of the Jedi actions seemed weirdly forced like the script had a schedule and they needed to keep to it. The only one that seems to come out fairly clean is Indara who is doing her best with a crew of bunglers. We'll see if the finale can wrap things up well but it seems like they couldn't decide if they wanted to do cool Wuxia martial arts, do a story about the dangers of seeing the "other" as the enemy, or comment on the way emotion colors memory. Whatever the case I mostly blame the set designers for not throwing in a bunch of tapestries or wooden pathways or something to explain why a cave caught on fire. Seriously, a few more visible flammable objects and one line about how they're running their reactor on some more dangerous poorly refined fuel or something and we're good.
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Marsupial Ape posted:edit: did anybody notice the weird march Sol was doing as he and Torbin strode into the courtyard after breaking in? Weird character choice you try climbing up that loving mountain twice in 36 hours and see how your quads feel, man's legs were spent 
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I saw that too, it was super weird. It was like they told him as a joke that they were going to add in a sticky pit of tar on the floor in post just to see him do a silly walk, but then kept the take.
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I think they're trying to do a parallel between Qimir and Sol as guys who desperately want to have apprentices, but they haven't laid enough ground work for Sol to be so monomaniacally devoted to it as to disobey his superior, his ethics, the Jedi council etc. Similarly they should've had a better motivation for Torbin instead of "just really loving hates camping". Though he is a teenager, maybe they don't have wifi on that planet.
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Gangringo posted:Whatever the case I mostly blame the set designers for not throwing in a bunch of tapestries or wooden pathways or something to explain why a cave caught on fire. Seriously, a few more visible flammable objects and one line about how they're running their reactor on some more dangerous poorly refined fuel or something and we're good. "It's an old fuel depot" would have been better than "It's an old mining facility".
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People are doing some real Cinema Sins thinking that's distracting them from a good episode. Like, "lol how does a stone building explode?" I dunno, maybe it's shown that they use flammable gas as fuel for the lanterns everywhere, plus there are these old electronics throughout the complex that are prone to sparking when damaged? "Lol why does the kid want to go home so bad?" It's extremely obvious that he hates being a Jedi, in general. It's not just the spending three months collecting moss; he considers their work meaningless - partly because Indara thinks it's character-building to not explain anything to him. She didn't tell him why they were collecting the moss! What I've noticed in recent posts is that people are fixated on twists and "revealing hidden plot points", to the point of calling it a worthless episode because there's no big twist. The actual purpose of this episode is to show Sol's personal understanding of how badly he hosed up. It's a narrative, folks. And even then, there are twists in the episode. They're just more low-key interesting: Indara, initially appearing as the most reasonable and sensible Jedi, seemingly killed the 50 women and then covered it all up to protect Sol. The twist is that, despite being so rules-oriented, she continually defers to Sol's suggestions because she inwardly agrees with them. And then, there's clearly no investigation into the event on the part of the council. People are trying to 'both-sides' the deaths, but the Jedi are very clearly champing at the bit - pushing the regulations as far as they'll go and then outright covering up the instances where they just do crimes. There's an unspoken agreement between everyone involved. Another good twist is that Kelnacca's relatively innocent. I was not expecting that. He still participated, but you can read the whole fight scene as as an expression of his inner disagreement with how things were going down. Before I realized he was 'possessed', it seemed totally natural that he should come to the witches' defense and beat the poo poo out of these two assholes. Kelnacca's my new favorite character. Also, not a huge twist, but Mae ironically caused the fire by trying to prevent it, and has understandable guilt feelings. Everything she did to try and protect her sister literally backfired. I was also not expecting how Sol just straight-up killed OSHA's mom with little provocation. I was concerned that the show might present it as 'a complex situation', but, no, he just murders her because he was so disturbingly obsessed with "saving" this random kid. Altogether, this was a tense episode with a cool fight scene, where everything is bad-feeling in its inevitability. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jul 10, 2024 |
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Marsupial Ape posted:Yeah, it accelerated at a fairy tale pace, and not in a good way. Sol seemed manic. When Sol first saw the girls on the planet he was acting like he was in a horror movie, he seemed totally freaked out.
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zoux posted:I think they're trying to do a parallel between Qimir and Sol as guys who desperately want to have apprentices, but they haven't laid enough ground work for Sol to be so monomaniacally devoted to it as to disobey his superior, his ethics, the Jedi council etc. Similarly they should've had a better motivation for Torbin instead of "just really loving hates camping". Though he is a teenager, maybe they don't have wifi on that planet. I agree with the goon who said it was probably a more literal seduction thing that got rewritten and/or reshot because they're cowards.
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Owlbear Camus posted:I agree with the goon who said it was probably a more literal seduction thing that got rewritten and/or reshot because they're cowards. It was very "closeted gay man being tempted by a sympathetic ear" coded but I don't think that's a problem in the SW universe. Like there's some reason that he wants to go back to Coruscant so bad, but he dare not speak why. They just never give us a reason or even a hint of one.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:When Sol first saw the girls on the planet he was acting like he was in a horror movie, he seemed totally freaked out. Well yeah, he's on this freakish garden planet for three months and then "oh poo poo, a witch?!" The planet itself is a product of dark magicks? From that point, he instantly starts interpreting everything in the worst possible light. Dude just really hates witches. He's also implicitly picking up on OSHA's previously-established anxiety towards the ceremony. She doesn't want to be a witch, which is only amplifying Sol's own fears. Owlbear Camus posted:I agree with the goon who said it was probably a more literal seduction thing that got rewritten and/or reshot because they're cowards. It is a literal seduction, you sillies. She doesn't need to outright say that he can have crazy witch orgies instead of collecting moss. Subtext! SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jul 10, 2024 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:When Sol first saw the girls on the planet he was acting like he was in a horror movie, he seemed totally freaked out. He had powerful "dad in Footloose sees kids having fun" energy.
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I'm also annoyed that they gave PhilosophyTube a pointless role as Witch #3, who occasionally says a line. Nobody responds to her in any way. It's like they edited her into the episode in post.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:When Sol first saw the girls on the planet he was acting like he was in a horror movie, he seemed totally freaked out. Yeah when he saw the girls get pushed down for horsing off in the main hall he was full on 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:When Sol first saw the girls on the planet he was acting like he was in a horror movie, he seemed totally freaked out. Holy poo poo. We've been The Blair Witch-ed!
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Do we actually have a collective name for these witches for that matter? The latest episode specifically pointed out they weren’t Night Sisters
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