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Ethics_Gradient posted:Only got around to watching The Acolyte this weekend. I'm surprised it was as poorly received as it was; it's obviously not Andor, but it's definitely in the better half of live-action Star Wars (barely, I guess). Acoolyte is objectively better-made than any other Star Wars show, but it’s also different from the other shows. Difference is scary for Star Wars fans. Quoting Plinkett: “I don’t like things that are different.” Like, even the post-Star-Wars Andor is doing exactly a ‘gritty, adult’ Manderlorian, where the Baby Yoda-equivalent character is played by Stellan Skarsgard. As I noted earlier in the thread, it’s also got a fairly straightforward “good versus evil” story with vague libertarian-ish politics and an easily-palatable Blade Runner aesthetic. It’s like the first Matrix movie; it’s not going to alienate anyone. We all see ourselves as Neo: freeing our minds, becoming god, and not having to pay taxes or eat our vegetables. Acoolyte kills off Trinity in the opening scene, and then goes on to explain why she deserved it. Folks who whooped when Andor shot two cops were really upset when Officer Jecki - whose name is a mix of Jenny and Becky - got killed by an anarchist ‘freedom fighter’. The Acoolyte show is doin’ thangs. And, to that end, we definitely don’t have a conventional protagonist. It’s like with Rogue One, where the fact that J. Erso is uncharismatic is actually a major plot point. Fans dismissed that as error too.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Mystery Glove The glove... of Darth Vader?
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Sep 23, 2024 18:22
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When I was a kid, I thought that the Emperor used evil wizard magic to put Vader's glove onto Luke after Luke chopped off Vader's hand. The way Luke looked at it was like oh poo poo what. I mean, thematically I was right?
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Sep 23, 2024 19:10
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Sash! posted:When I was a kid, I thought that the Emperor used evil wizard magic to put Vader's glove onto Luke after Luke chopped off Vader's hand. The way Luke looked at it was like oh poo poo what. If by "the Emperor" you mean "George Lucas" and by "evil wizard magic" you mean "hamhanded visual imagery for children to understand", then yes. Yes you were right.
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Sep 23, 2024 20:15
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But it wasn't made of ham, it was made of metal. Didn't you watch it?
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So today I learned that the officer who comes into the ISB headquarters after the Aldhani Heist to tell everyone about the upcoming crackdowns on suspected dissidents was supposed to be Admiral Yularen. I didn't realize he was meant to be the same character, I thought it was just some other ISB stooge.
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Arc Hammer posted:So today I learned that the officer who comes into the ISB headquarters after the Aldhani Heist to tell everyone about the upcoming crackdowns on suspected dissidents was supposed to be Admiral Yularen. I didn't realize he was meant to be the same character, I thought it was just some other ISB stooge. That's why andor is such a classy show. They don't hit the audience over the head with characters like that. They show up incidentally where you'd expect.
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Sep 26, 2024 22:29
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Baronjutter posted:That's why andor is such a classy show. They don't hit the audience over the head with characters like that. They show up incidentally where you'd expect. I didn't expect him in Andor, but then I also completely forgot he appeared that one time in Rebels as a colonel in the ISB.
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Sep 26, 2024 22:36
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Hooting, hollering, turning to the wife: Wolf Y'allin! I played that guy in Armada!
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Sep 26, 2024 22:41
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I only know him as the guy who doesn't say anything in the Death Star board room scene because I don't watch cartoons for children.
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Sep 26, 2024 22:43
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  He was a lot of fun in the children's cartoons he was in though
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Sep 26, 2024 23:47
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Baronjutter posted:I only know him as the guy who doesn't say anything in the Death Star board room scene because I don't watch cartoons for children. So, just motion pictures and television for children then?
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Sep 26, 2024 23:59
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if only they didn't recast and just made a cgi homunculus
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Sep 27, 2024 00:11
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Dexo posted:if only they didn't recast and just made a cgi homunculus Someone out there probably wanted to deepfake the actor to match the exact look of the background character in a new hope. And then of course dub over his lines with the voice actor from the baby cartoons (for child babies)
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Sep 27, 2024 01:14
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Acoolyte is objectively better-made than any other Star Wars show, but it’s also different from the other shows. Difference is scary for Star Wars fans. Quoting Plinkett: “I don’t like things that are different.” That's a good way to put it. I really want to hear about how Stellan Skarsgard is Andor's Baby Yoda. (Not because I disbelieve you, but because I want to read it.)
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Baronjutter posted:Someone out there probably wanted to deepfake the actor to match the exact look of the background character in a new hope. And then of course dub over his lines with the voice actor from the baby cartoons (for child babies) They'd be using an AI voice dub because Tom Kane retired after having a stroke.
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Sep 27, 2024 04:23
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who does he think he is, Tom Kane?
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Arc Hammer posted:They'd be using an AI voice dub because Tom Kane retired after having a stroke. A P'TomKane performance
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Vinylshadow posted:
Was it meant to be him specifically narrating the recap to every episode?
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Captain Splendid posted:Was it meant to be him specifically narrating the recap to every episode? No, there' a Coruscant media personality in-universe who is supposed to be narrating it. Same voice actor.
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Sep 27, 2024 11:31
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I thought the recap voice was a bit over the top. I get what they were going for but they cranked it up to 11.
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Baronjutter posted:I thought the recap voice was a bit over the top. I get what they were going for but they cranked it up to 11. That's probably just what the VA sounds like when going about their daily life.
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Sep 27, 2024 20:51
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I'm a massive sucker for newsreel voice in media. Love it every time it shows up. Read all the opening crawls in a newsreel voice to me please.
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Shoehead posted:I'm a massive sucker for newsreel voice in media. Love it every time it shows up. Read all the opening crawls in a newsreel voice to me please. I want Empire news reels to sound like an istituto Luce reel, with the upbeat voice and silly trumpets music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgLbh_u8R9w SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Sep 29, 2024 |
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Ethics_Gradient posted:That's a good way to put it. Because of the near-identical story structures, you’ve got the protagonists of both shows nuking their old lives and jetting away with this mysterious new character at the end of the third episode. Ditching your home this way is not unusual in a Star Wars plot (see movie episodes 4 and 1), but it isn’t presented as such a pivotal event in the movies. Luke is pretty indifferent about leaving Tatooine with Obiwan, while a big part of the prequels is that Anakin doesn’t realize the impact of leaving his mom until years later. It’s also arguable how much of a connection Luke and Anakin have to Obiwan and Quigon, given how they briefly interact and then quickly die. The two characters in the shows are these central, emblematic figures (of the nascent rebellion, of ‘the force’) that rally others around themselves. Pre-Grogu Baby Yoda accomplishes this by being a literal baby that does nice things intuitively, but same difference.
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i whooped and hollered when jecki was slain dude hit her with the fuckin mozambique drill in star wars. an ideological renegade using a technique designed by racist fascists to kill a fascist space cop in return owned
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As with the equally-powerful Ewok movies, Acoolyte will age like a fine wine.
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A new bullet point is scribbled on the "WHAT WILL MAKE THESE SHRIEKING VOLES SHUT UP?!" mind map whiteboard in Disney HQ: https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1841887198179708975 \
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I welcome more slop.
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They should probably worry less about toxic fans and worry more about making things that don't suck.
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What would a show made to please toxic fans even look like?
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im sure there are infinite good joke answers to that, but the serious one is something boring with few to zero minorities, full of glup shittos and things being talked about or shown that perfectly lines up with existing trivia about the franchise so they can feel good about their hours of wookiepedia usage, and breezy writing that takes itself seriously but not so seriously that youre ever prompted to stop and actually consider what is happening on the screen beyond your first impressions. frictionless, stakeless pablum designed to make them feel comforted that the media property they have glommed their personhood onto cares for them in return for their slavish devotion. the kind of reassurances a functional human gets from their parents, friends, and lovers instead of a multimedia intellectual property owned by one of the most sinister corporations on the planet.
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nine-gear crow posted:A new bullet point is scribbled on the "WHAT WILL MAKE THESE SHRIEKING VOLES SHUT UP?!" mind map whiteboard in Disney HQ: This is how you deal with toxic fans 
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Marsupial Ape posted:What would a show made to please toxic fans even look like? The hallway scene at the end of Mando Season 2, but forever.
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Hallways: A Star Wars Story
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Paper Lion posted:im sure there are infinite good joke answers to that, but the serious one is something boring with few to zero minorities, full of glup shittos and things being talked about or shown that perfectly lines up with existing trivia about the franchise so they can feel good about their hours of wookiepedia usage, and breezy writing that takes itself seriously but not so seriously that youre ever prompted to stop and actually consider what is happening on the screen beyond your first impressions. frictionless, stakeless pablum designed to make them feel comforted that the media property they have glommed their personhood onto cares for them in return for their slavish devotion. the kind of reassurances a functional human gets from their parents, friends, and lovers instead of a multimedia intellectual property owned by one of the most sinister corporations on the planet. Also serious answer: apparently they just want slavishly to-the-letter accurate adaptations of old Expanded Universe content like Dark Empire and poo poo. Either way, SolarFire2 posted:They should probably worry less about toxic fans and worry more about making things that don't suck. If you have to focus group your output to hell and back to make sure you're never doing anything to upset The Critical Drinker, you will never make anything that doesn't suck a busy airport's worth of fat asses. The game is rigged.
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Warhammer 40k seems to be pleasing toxic fans really well. Looking at that, the answer would be a show that's mostly killing aliens and demons with any character conflict being disagreements on how best to kill them.
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nine-gear crow posted:If you have to focus group your output to hell and back to make sure you're never doing anything to upset The Critical Drinker, you will never make anything that doesn't suck a busy airport's worth of fat asses. I've read some books by in-the-know Hollywood gossips over the years and the thing that always stands out is how utterly spineless and terrified Hollywood people are about having an actual opinion on something.
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Lister posted:Warhammer 40k seems to be pleasing toxic fans really well. Looking at that, the answer would be a show that's mostly killing aliens and demons with any character conflict being disagreements on how best to kill them. No they made one of the space marines a woman in a 40k show so it's terrible and woke now
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site posted:No they made one of the space marines a woman in a 40k show so it's terrible and woke now Custodes are better than Marines anyways and they're golden.
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