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Halloween Jack posted:The idea of assessing an enemy's strategy by studying art history is actually interesting. I'm hearing that Zahn didn't really have the background to carry it off well, but I like the idea. But Thrawn has much more immediate ways to assess the resistance on Lothal. Like, years of probably readily available data on their military and economy and climate and such. He's not up against the Kaminoans. The whole schtick is that it doesn't work. He's a very competent commander who creates post-hoc justifications for his tactics. Hes blinded by racial and cultural prejudices. It's why he doesn't see his death coming.
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Halloween Jack posted:The idea of assessing an enemy's strategy by studying art history is actually interesting. I'm hearing that Zahn didn't really have the background to carry it off well, but I like the idea. But Thrawn has much more immediate ways to assess the resistance on Lothal. Like, years of probably readily available data on their military and economy and climate and such. He's not up against the Kaminoans. On its face, it might be fine - if you know nothing about art, that’s plausible enough. But let’s say that I was Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War - I were to look at Jackson Pollock, Andy Warhol, and Norman Rockwell, what tactically actionable insights could I gain about the American military really? Actually this is a bad analogy because Ho Chi Minh was a much better leader and a smarter person than fictional villain Thrawn.
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Jul 2, 2025 18:49
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The whole schtick is that it doesn't work. He's a very competent commander who creates post-hoc justifications for his tactics. Hes blinded by racial and cultural prejudices. It's why he doesn't see his death coming. lol this is in an of itself a post-hoc justification. The characters in the stories all treat Thrawn as if he were insightful and competent, despite your correct assessment that actually he’s a clown
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Jul 2, 2025 18:51
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He is insightful and competent. But he straight up gets things factually wrong in the books, multiple times, separate from his mishandling of the Noghri or of specific people like C'baoth, Rook, or Talon Karrde. Usually when trying to infer the heroes actions and what they know from limited information. Thing is that the only person around to notice him getting these things wrong is his number one man Pellaeon, who doesn't know any better. The reader has to realize this themselves.
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Jul 2, 2025 18:57
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Very specific analogy: Thrawn is the kid who turned himself into a conservative 'intellectual' by teaching himself Greek to read Plato and Aristotle in their primary source form but never takes the time to learn about the context of Greek history or culture, so just assumes all the crazy they had to say about women and ethics is 100% correct. Those guys are why I don't talk about this poo poo anymore on Reddit
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Jul 2, 2025 19:12
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The most damning thing against Thrawn is that he evidently considers Sabine one of the greatest living artists.
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Jul 2, 2025 19:16
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, they should bring back the term “Mofference” (we’ve had a couple in the past at least) No. No one ever considered the Jedi Prince books anything approaching canon. They were fanfiction that got published professionally, because, hey, 7 year olds need to read some Star Wars poo poo too, right? Let's make the most laser-focused 7 year-old Star Wars fan crap we possibly can. The only reason people remember it today is because it was so wildly out of spec with where the Star Wars EU was going at the time. Even reading them at the time as a child, I was like "this is awful and feels like someone playing dress up with Star Wars."
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Jul 2, 2025 19:23
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The most damning thing against Thrawn is that he evidently considers Sabine one of the greatest living artists. Sabine is already everything else, why not add one more thing to her list of accolades?
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Jul 2, 2025 19:25
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Arc Hammer posted:Sabine is already everything else, why not add one more thing to her list of accolades? The greatest living artist in Star Wars: 
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Jul 2, 2025 19:33
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nine-gear crow posted:No. No one ever considered the Jedi Prince books anything approaching canon. They were fanfiction that got published professionally, because, hey, 7 year olds need to read some Star Wars poo poo too, right? Let's make the most laser-focused 7 year-old Star Wars fan crap we possibly can. The only reason people remember it today is because it was so wildly out of spec with where the Star Wars EU was going at the time. Even reading them at the time as a child, I was like "this is awful and feels like someone playing dress up with Star Wars." Ah, I thought I remembered reading on Wookiepedia about them essentially being embellished versions of events that actually happened but I’m not sure where that info came from
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Jul 2, 2025 19:37
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Arc Hammer posted:Sabine is already everything else, why not add one more thing to her list of accolades? Which is why I want adult Omega is a show. Her bona fides as a child polymath elite-commando were established over 3 seasons.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Which is why I want adult Omega is a show. Her bona fides as a child polymath elite-commando were established over 3 seasons. I’m holding out hope she survived her time in the Rebellion and will return in some capacity one day (hell, given the stuff she pulled off as a kid she should have been LEADING it by the end)
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Jul 2, 2025 19:42
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NmareBfly posted:Uh -- wasn't S1 that chance, and they already hosed it up? They did narrowly escape from him, didn’t they? Ezra escaped with him, I guess. The others escaped in that they survived, but at the cost of being stuck in the boondocks. Their attempt to stop him certainly didn’t come off, he did get back. They killed Morgan but who cares, certainly not Thrawn. They went out there to stop him and they didn’t. It just doesn’t really land as a defeat because Filoni is pretty limited as a writer and live-action director. Failures of execution aside, I like that Thrawn is in extremis in Ahsoka S1, cracked or cracking, in need of rescue from his underlings, surrounded by a zombie army run by the weird sisters, struggling for control of his own situation. He’s Colonel Kurtz if Willard was going out there to bring him back and make him president. At the very least I think it is more interesting than just his usual “hrr hrr hrr i smugly look at paintings and do strategy”spiel, if he’s doing this spiel as a means of clinging to his role and image as an exile. At a base line, there needs to be some explanation of why this “heir to the empire” didn’t simply take the reins when the emperor kicked it, and it’s because he was not in a good way himself.
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Jul 2, 2025 19:48
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The strong implication of Ahsoka S1 is that Thrawn has spend 10 odd years just getting clowned by Ezra. Every Sunday he has a wacky plan to get home and every Sunday Ezra just wanders around and spoils it.
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Alchenar posted:The strong implication of Ahsoka S1 is that Thrawn has spend 10 odd years just getting clowned by Ezra. Every Sunday he has a wacky plan to get home and every Sunday Ezra just wanders around and spoils it. Ezra as Hannibal and the bug buddies his Etruscan collaborators? Larryb posted:I’m holding out hope she survived her time in the Rebellion and will return in some capacity one day (hell, given the stuff she pulled off as a kid she should have been LEADING it by the end) Well, poo poo. Omega should be the Saw Gererra of the Resistance Era, but, like, a sweet murder granny. Everybody gets a hug before they go absolutely poo poo hammer a First Order garrison.
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It’s interesting how the great mothers are just totally submissive to Thrawn. I guess the Palpatine situation taught them that they should just join the winning team. There’s a proud night sister tradition of having terrible political instincts.
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I might be wrong but I always inferred that Peridea is the Nightsister planet of origin and that the Great Mothers were as much stuck there as Thrawn was.
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Halloween Jack posted:It’s interesting how the great mothers are just totally submissive to Thrawn. I guess the Palpatine situation taught them that they should just join the winning team. There’s a proud night sister tradition of having terrible political instincts. It’s the same thing as Vader doing Tarkin’s bidding imo. They’re his allies but ultimately serve a higher power/their own big idea of destiny. There also seems to be an element of sucking up to the only guy with a ride out of town. Baylan says they’re running from something, which I assume Ahsoka and Sabine are about to run into.
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I've just created in my head a scenario where Lt. cmdr Thrown is boasting to an antiquities dealer on Coruscant about how he can deduce how to defeat a foe based on their art. Thenas he peruses the Aldhani artifacts on display, the gravelly voiced dealer with the bad wig says "Interesting, do go on."
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A.o.D. posted:I've just created in my head a scenario where Lt. cmdr Thrown is boasting to an antiquities dealer on Coruscant about how he can deduce how to defeat a foe based on their art. Thenas he peruses the Aldhani artifacts on display, the gravelly voiced dealer with the bad wig says "Interesting, do go on." Half the Alliance's pre-Aldhani ops were just poo poo Luthen and Kleya mined out of Thrawn being such a loving weeb and no one was able to put it together because everyone in the Empire is a moron and Thrawn tells loving everyone he meets the exact same culture weeb poo poo.
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Butterfly Valley posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUv7j5Gj3Us This motherfucker called Andor the first sonnet of its kind
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Well it does rhyme
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feedmyleg posted:Well it does rhyme Shut up, George!
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1st AD posted:Game of Thrones was popular and still good when they were casting for The Force Awakens, it’s not complicated. She's better as weird goat lady in Severance, anyway.
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Larryb posted:I’m holding out hope she survived her time in the Rebellion and will return in some capacity one day (hell, given the stuff she pulled off as a kid she should have been LEADING it by the end) Frankie Adams and Temuera Morrison Space Adventures seems like a no-brainer, I say as I hold a loaded gun to the monkey paw and dare it to just loving try it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo99rrgCuls Apologies if this has been posted (4 days old) Just been mesmerized by SMG's posting is all
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I can't believe they haven't brought in Daniel Logan for a live action role, yet. I have no idea if he is a good actor or not, but he's a handsome dude and it seems like leaving money on the table by not just having him standing around on screen in armor.
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AlternateNu posted:She's better as weird goat lady in Severance, anyway. Pretty sure she mixed it up more in that series too.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I can't believe they haven't brought in Daniel Logan for a live action role, yet. I have no idea if he is a good actor or not, but he's a handsome dude and it seems like leaving money on the table by not just having him standing around on screen in armor. Especially because he looks fuckin' great in the Boba Fett armor:  Dude's the correct age to be playing post-Jedi Boba Fett and you have the built-in excuse for him not looking and sounding exactly like Tem that Boba was an all-natural clone so of course he would develop differently. Look, I love Temura, the dude has a beautiful insane energy to him and he made The Book of Boba Fett appreciably less of a chore to watch just with his presence, but come on, give Daniel another shot at donning the armour.
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Entropic posted:Mon Mothma's senate speech about the important of Truth is an allegory for how you can't give an inch to revisionist prequels defenders who want to convince you those movies were actually good.
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Entropic posted:Imagining someone who's somehow never seen any Star Wars getting hooked by Prestige TV Andor and then deciding they want to see all this from the beginning, so they queue up The Phantom Menace 
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Jul 3, 2025 04:34
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"Wow even more politics, neat!"
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After finishing ANDOR S2 I noticed I had bought the first of the newer 'canon' Zahn THRAWN books on a Kindle deal ages back; simple reading, nothing earthshaking, but it filled a hole for more Star Wars. I thought I'd try book two and it cold opens with Thrawn getting a bollocking for some big defeat, I'm guessing that's from some other media? Do I need to know any details, or is 'You hosed up' good enough..?
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I started listening to the new fully-produced Shadows of the Empire audiobook the other day and it's dope
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Entropic posted:Imagining someone who's somehow never seen any Star Wars getting hooked by Prestige TV Andor and then deciding they want to see all this from the beginning, so they queue up The Phantom Menace But SMG has been telling me that movie is rad for 20 years
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Hey good news though, the story of a wretched fascist rear end in a top hat with a hosed up face and a creepy little apprentice taking power because he engineered an economic crisis and then blamed it on a different incompetent old gently caress is weirdly relevant all of the sudden.
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“This is Chancellor Valorum’s recession, not mine!”
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New game: if George Lucas were to make the prequels in 2025, what terrible and on the nose names would he invent for the Trade Federation guys? I vote for Molon Drump and E.D. Panse
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Elon Sleazebaggano
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I thought the Ahsoka show handled the mystery of Thrawn's exile pretty well . Whats he been up to in another galaxy for 10 years? He's trapped in an empty system since he has no hyper-maps, this foreign galaxy largely remains a complete mystery, his ship is barely holding together, and he's struggling to keep his remaining forces fed, equipped, and organized.
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