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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Cojawfee posted:

I don't know if he actually did it, but I do know he was talking about it a lot because all the rich people near him were really loving annoying him.

George Lucas 🤝 George RR Martin 🤝 Harlan Ellison
assholes who hate rich Republicans and constantly did poo poo to gently caress with them

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Habibi
Dec 8, 2004

We have the capability to make San Jose's first Cup Champion.

The Sharks could be that Champion.

1st AD posted:

Ваши световые мечи станут прекрасным дополнением к моей коллекции.

Я просто так устал от всех этих звездных войн.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

NoneMoreNegative posted:

lol you reminded me of this post

https://www.tumblr.com/pukicho/184047669745/every-post-on-reddit-is-like-my-wife-left-me-so

Andor S2E1 should have opened with him stealing a TIE Crawler instead, leading to a thrilling low-speed chase scene.

I once attended a wedding where the groom walked to the altar with the Imperial March as his background music.


That marriage ended in a very messy divorce.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I once attended a wedding where the groom walked to the altar with the Imperial March as his background music.


That marriage ended in a very messy divorce.

I'm happy for the (ex)wife. I hope she's doing well.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

The Art of Star Wars: Andor (The Complete Series) pre-orders are up

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012


...aaaand they're sold out.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
Weird thought that proves I have too much time on my hands, but I was thinking about K2s tangent about the parade. And how when he mentions that the Emperor was there his voice gets all quiet and he gets the droid equivalent of a thousand yard stare. As if Palpatine being there traumatized him somehow. Like Palpatine is so evil his very presence causes spiritual harm to everyone around him even the robots.

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003

galagazombie posted:

Weird thought that proves I have too much time on my hands, but I was thinking about K2s tangent about the parade. And how when he mentions that the Emperor was there his voice gets all quiet and he gets the droid equivalent of a thousand yard stare. As if Palpatine being there traumatized him somehow. Like Palpatine is so evil his very presence causes spiritual harm to everyone around him even the robots.

My read on it was that he was recalling a memory from Old K2's life, where seeing the parade and the emperor was a positive memory based on his imperial affiliation, and now that New K2 is reliving the memory, he's seeing it in a brand new and awful context.

I was appreciating last night how Luthen's decision to choose Andor over the starpath unit during their meeting on Ferrix is what ultimately dooms him ("I'm damned for what I do"). But choosing Andor is ultimately what saves the entire rebellion/galaxy. And in Luthen's final scene, the starpath unit is once again there in the room, but Luthen has made the choice to prioritize other people (Kleya having "flown away"). He has a penchant for valuing the lives of rebels over raw materiel (like offering the equipment to Saw for free if he would simply meet with Anto Kreegyr). In the end Luthen is punished for prioritizing other people. If he had just taken the starpath unit, Cassian would've stayed a nobody and died in obscurity, Luthen would've lived, but the rebellion would've been destroyed on Yavin. It's like Luthen and the rebellion have a reverse polarity- they can't both co-exist. Luthen wills it into existence and has to die for it.

Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 10, 2025

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Luthen has his ego, but he has no attachments. He’s a mean old poo poo, but he made sure his daughter and the Rebellion are capable of not only being independent of him, but also surpassing him. The choice to sacrifice himself is an easy one because he has achieved his goals and can let go without regret.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Every addition to the collective effort thst was the Rebel Alliance just makes the New Republic that much more disappointing.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

Arc Hammer posted:

Every addition to the collective effort thst was the Rebel Alliance just makes the New Republic that much more disappointing.

One could comparably say the same about the allies during WW2 and those same nations now all sliding into democratic decline.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh13XCcPCiY

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Arc Hammer posted:

Every addition to the collective effort thst was the Rebel Alliance just makes the New Republic that much more disappointing.

Yeah I don't really like how Mon's arc will conclude with her personally loving up the New Republic

Ironslave
Aug 8, 2006

Corpse runner

1st AD posted:

One could comparably say the same about the allies during WW2 and those same nations now all sliding into democratic decline.

I'll have you know it took us twice as long!

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
I think it's less her personally loving up the Republic and more that she's only one person trying to hold back the tide of dipshits who swept into power once the government was established.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

1st AD posted:

One could comparably say the same about the allies during WW2 and those same nations now all sliding into democratic decline.

It's like poetry.
It rhymes.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar

Arc Hammer posted:

Every addition to the collective effort thst was the Rebel Alliance just makes the New Republic that much more disappointing.

Tim Meadows getting a mid-level office management job was Luthen’s win state. Legacy achieved.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 21, 2006

Jewmanji posted:

Luthen wills it into existence and has to die for it.

It’s the same thing as the societies and Marva and the weapon of the empire.

Think about Ghorst. He uses the dying songs and pleading of the Dizonite. Think about Alhdani. It’s the last eye festival the Empire is killing that society. The Death Star itself is a planet killer, it annihilates.

“I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them”

The essence of those tools is death, of individuals, cultures, freedom…

Who has control of the tool flips at Alhdani. Death propels the rebellion starting at Alhdani. Alhdani lights Maarva. Olaf lights Kino Loy. Maarva lights Ferrix. The death of the Ghorman culture lights Mon Motha. Saw’s statement: “We're the Rhydo, kid. We're the fuel. We're the thing that explodes when there's too much friction in the air!"

Even at the end. Dedra is there is to arrest Luthen. They going to torture and kill him, to use the tools of their oppression. Even in stabbing himself in the heart, he is using their tool, death, against them to defeat them.

But ultimately this all only works because of love. Maarva’s death works to fuel rebellion because of love. Luthen stabbing himself in the heart only works because Kleya loves him enough to kill him in that hospital.

Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Jul 10, 2025

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Can you imagine how mad the internet would be if Luthen had vanished when he died?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
https://x.com/sw_holocron/status/1943029095526277391?t=P8x5Tl5RjX_vAzVy-LyUig&s=19

Vel, offscreen during Rogue One chewing out Mon and Draven about pitting their hopes on this young cynic being enough to talk to Sawm

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
Vel would definitely eye-gently caress the hell out of Felicity Jones.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Arc Hammer posted:

https://x.com/sw_holocron/status/1943029095526277391?t=P8x5Tl5RjX_vAzVy-LyUig&s=19

Vel, offscreen during Rogue One chewing out Mon and Draven about pitting their hopes on this young cynic being enough to talk to Sawm

"She's a 'family friend'? Are you two idiots? No, don't answer that."

Also if Kleya was in Rogue One she'd just be constantly screaming about everything Jyn and Cassian bumble their way through.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
Kleya would be the one who convinced Raddus that he should just go to Scarif and fight.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪

Parkingtigers posted:

Kleya would be the one who convinced Raddus that he should just go to Scarif and fight.

If the fleet hadn't arrived the forcefield would have gone down anyway after Kleya boards and murders every single fascist piece of poo poo on the gate station. Silent Assassin.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
I'm sad that nobody seems to have yet pinned down which planet Kleya and Luthen were on when the firing squad scene happens. We know the bridge bombing is Naboo. The earlier scenes with the traders in the woods and the firing squad are still unlisted planets. I'd find it interesting if those were also Naboo, like they chose that as their place to hang out and skill up before blowing it up and moving on. There would be some discussions to have about class dynamics where the nice rich folks are in a fancy cafe not bothered by the Imperials on the bridge until Luthen blows it the gently caress up, because they are happy and compliant Imperial subjects. Meanwhile the poorer folks in the smaller towns are getting murked, or trading in hidden little camps in the forest.

It's fine if those are one or two other random planets. But it would be so much more intriguing if they are also Naboo.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Conversely, its really nice to have some planets visited without having to know their names or where they fit into the lore - for a change.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪
Yeah, and the fact it could be any planet is itself making a point I think: no matter where you go, the Empire can just come along and completely upend and destroy your lives, culture and wellbeing entirely at their whim.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I'm generally a big fan of goofy star wars poo poo but also I'm not sure i want to think too hard about the imperial einsatzgruppen shooting all the Gungans

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

StashAugustine posted:

I'm generally a big fan of goofy star wars poo poo but also I'm not sure i want to think too hard about the imperial einsatzgruppen shooting all the Gungans

Rough chuckles at the Luthen flashbacks with the trooper squads executing basements full of civilians off-camera but the fx is overlaid with Jar Jar voices Oh no sir not desa blasters etc

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

StashAugustine posted:

I'm generally a big fan of goofy star wars poo poo but also I'm not sure i want to think too hard about the imperial einsatzgruppen shooting all the Gungans

It would make sense though that one of Palpatine's first acts would be ethnically cleasing all those smelly amphibians Padme had let climb up the social ladder on his homeworld.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Parkingtigers posted:

I'm sad that nobody seems to have yet pinned down which planet Kleya and Luthen were on when the firing squad scene happens. We know the bridge bombing is Naboo. The earlier scenes with the traders in the woods and the firing squad are still unlisted planets. I'd find it interesting if those were also Naboo, like they chose that as their place to hang out and skill up before blowing it up and moving on. There would be some discussions to have about class dynamics where the nice rich folks are in a fancy cafe not bothered by the Imperials on the bridge until Luthen blows it the gently caress up, because they are happy and compliant Imperial subjects. Meanwhile the poorer folks in the smaller towns are getting murked, or trading in hidden little camps in the forest.

It's fine if those are one or two other random planets. But it would be so much more intriguing if they are also Naboo.

I assume Naboo became quite a hated place due it being the home planet of the Emperor.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
We know the Gungans weren't purged because there's some in the celebration scene at Naboo at the end of the more recent versions of Return of the Jedi.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

Parkingtigers posted:

I'm sad that nobody seems to have yet pinned down which planet Kleya and Luthen were on when the firing squad scene happens. We know the bridge bombing is Naboo. The earlier scenes with the traders in the woods and the firing squad are still unlisted planets. I'd find it interesting if those were also Naboo, like they chose that as their place to hang out and skill up before blowing it up and moving on. There would be some discussions to have about class dynamics where the nice rich folks are in a fancy cafe not bothered by the Imperials on the bridge until Luthen blows it the gently caress up, because they are happy and compliant Imperial subjects. Meanwhile the poorer folks in the smaller towns are getting murked, or trading in hidden little camps in the forest.

It's fine if those are one or two other random planets. But it would be so much more intriguing if they are also Naboo.

Dantooine. They're on Dantooine...

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Also not sure if it’s canon anymore but wasn’t it mentioned somewhere that Jar Jar was fairly pro Empire for the remainder of his career?

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

1st AD posted:

One could comparably say the same about the allies during WW2 and those same nations now all sliding into democratic decline.

I don't think the analogy quite holds. Arguably the bigger strides towards* a more just and egalitarian society in the US, which we're now backsliding from, happened decades after WW2 ended.

And it's not like it took decades for things to go back to being poo poo, either; a few short years and war's kicked off again in Korea. Plus the UK and France continuing to spend money and men trying to keep a grip on their colonial empires, and the stupid waste of the Cold War led America to get disastrously mired in the French project in Vietnam.



*I want to emphasize that this in no way should be read as us having achieved, or even having come close to achieved, an actually just and egalitarian society.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

We know the Gungans weren't purged because there's some in the celebration scene at Naboo at the end of the more recent versions of Return of the Jedi.

The Gungans raised their flag over the Naboo Reichstag

MrMojok
Jan 27, 2011

Larryb posted:

Also not sure if it’s canon anymore but wasn’t it mentioned somewhere that Jar Jar was fairly pro Empire for the remainder of his career?

Not MY Jar-Jar

:qq:

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Larryb posted:

Also not sure if it’s canon anymore but wasn’t it mentioned somewhere that Jar Jar was fairly pro Empire for the remainder of his career?

He was "considered an ally of the Emperor" and was eventually succeeded by Pooja Naberrie



He has no Legends appearances in any media set after the Clone Wars, besides the RotJ retcon

Canon had him exiled by his people and becoming a street performer in Theed, shunned by adults and loved by kids, and that's been his only canon mention outside of PT material

I'm honestly amazed the Marvel comics haven't done anything with him, like have him team up with Aphra, or Luke, or something; Lego Darth Jar Jar's been his first major appearance in a long while

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Writer's room pitch: we rehabilitate the Gungans by bringing in Idris Elba to voice a Gungan. This Gungan has no silly accent or any other poo poo from Ep 1, just a Gungan with the voice and mannerism of Idris Elba.

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

I think Padme's lead security guy in The Phantom Menace became a big Imperial supporter.

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