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redshirt posted:It was 1999, I was there for the first showing of The Phantom Menace. And the Neimodans, Jar-Jar, and Watto's accents/caricatures all jumped out immediately. I think this was visibly felt in the theater, like a collective.... really??? But why, though? Jar Jar is just a dude who speaks pidgin.
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galagazombie posted:Its funny that the Biggs scene is in every single version of ANH with the sole exception of the actual movie. Audio dramas, novelizations, comics, across every language and every culture this Biggs scene is there. But not the one thing thats the "real Star Wars. A year or two after the initial release, I saw a screening of Star Wars by a youth group that had the Biggs scene in it. I'm sure the parent organization actually arranged for a copy of the film. I'm just impressed that Lucasarts was showing a cut with Biggs in it that fast.
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Sash! posted:Yes the guys so clearly suppose to be Yellow Peril characters that... Don't have Chinese or Japanese accents? What are you talking about? I'm referring to how they are a racist stereotype of the fish faced people of Cincinnati.
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The criticism was the Trade Federation guys were some kind of Japanese stereotype based on their accent. But they're not Japanese accented in the first place?
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the latest special edition of ESB makes the at-ats say "eyy i'm walkering here" in every scene
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ungulateman posted:the latest special edition of ESB makes the at-ats say "eyy i'm walkering here" in every scene finally a change i approve of
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nemesis_hub posted:What makes the complaints about racism in the Prequels even sillier is how badly Finns character is portrayed in the Sequels, but with much less performative outrage from the wider fandom. People do complain about Boyega being screwed over, but its not as widely or passionately discussed as the idea that TPM is super turbo racist. The way the cast of the ST got done dirty by both the fandom and Disney nearly killed my love of Star Wars. None of the ST movies are really free of sin on this front, but Rise of Skywalker in particular was weirdly racist. Finn is completely sidelined as a character, the pretty heavily foreshadowed Finn as a Jedi plotline is abandoned and replaced with absolutely nothing. Any possibility of a Finn/Rey romance is completely excised from the follow up movies, to the point where you will never convince me otherwise that some sort of executive at Disney wasn't terrified of interracial relationships and issuing mandates. At the 11th hour in RoS a new, racially appropriate love interest is introduced for Finn. And then to make things even worse, right before rolling credits they reveal she's Lando's long lost daughter, because apparently Lando has a daughter and Lando has to be an absent black father. The fact they assembled a new cast of such talented actors with such great on-screen chemistry and completely squandered and mistreated them to the point where like none of them want anything to do with star wars anymore is a crime. Lazy Fair fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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Lazy Fair posted:The way the cast of the ST got done dirty by both the fandom and Disney nearly killed my love of Star Wars. Emptyquote but delete "nearly"
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I guess the difference is that the prequels might have had problematic portrayals of Sicilian grandpas who are able to fly two feet off the ground, and black people who live under water and have iguana tongues. And the sequel trilogy where the people making the movie are just racist towards the actors.
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Lazy Fair posted:And then to make things even worse, right before rolling credits they reveal she's Lando's long lost daughter, because apparently Lando has a daughter and Lando has to be an absent black father.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:But why, though? Because it really seems like racist caricatures for all these characters? We can all dig deep in our bag of explanations.
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Lazy Fair posted:some sort of executive at Disney wasn't terrified of interracial relationships Agreed, Finn/Poe was right there  
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https://youtu.be/SUUw-UfK64Q?feature=shared I really relished the face Tony Gilroy makes in this interview when Mike Duncan said the ST was bad, and Tony Gilroy said you said it not me and Duncan replied I said it so you dont have to Good podcast despite the host.
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Lazy Fair posted:Lando has to be an absent black father. On the other hand, so is every other Star Wars father
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Sash! posted:On the other hand, so is every other Star Wars father Omega has like six dads, which just underlines the dad to kid ratio problem in Star Wars. Also, if you do get a dad, you dont get a mom.
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Jewmanji posted:Yeah but OP is saying that contra the bad faith idiot racists who claimed Star Wars was replete with affirmative action hires and shouting about something called a Mary Sue, Disney was actually guilty of the opposite- sidelining the POC for the sake of Chinese box office, which is much less discussed. Similar to their absolutely cynical and pandering marketing about a first gay kiss in Episode IX. The movies had the most superficial veneer of inclusion but it was strictly a marketing ploy. yes, it was the chinese people's fault.
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I don't think anybody said that.
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I don't think the guy with a Russian flag/Chairman Mao av whose post history is almost exclusively CSPAM will be inclined to see the subtleties of that point
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lines posted:I don't think anybody said that. no the point everyone keeps making is that finn was sidelined for the chinese mass market. Then the only evidence provided is an alternate poster for made for china which has no finn. The sequels did badly in china because there wasn't a big star wars audience in china, and TFA got outcompeted by another disney movie. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-28/bollywood-beats-star-wars-at-china-s-box-office-with-hindi-hit
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George Lucas is such a storyteller that the Neimodians and Watto are just intuitively racist. No one race or stereotype is actually being invoked, your subconscious is just being stimulated as if they were.
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Tankbuster posted:no the point everyone keeps making is that finn was sidelined for the chinese mass market. Then the only evidence provided is an alternate poster for made for china which has no finn. The sequels did badly in china because there wasn't a big star wars audience in china, and TFA got outcompeted by another disney movie. I think that would be the fault of Disney if it happened and not particularly Chinese people (they might have market preferences or they might not, I don't know, but that's different). Marsupial Ape posted:George Lucas is such a storyteller that the Neimodians and Watto are just intuitively racist. No one race or stereotype is actually being invoked, your subconscious is just being stimulated as if they were. I was just rewatching some of the Neimoidian scenes and I have to say their accent is definitely at least reminiscent of a somewhat exaggerated version of a Japanese-speaker's English accent. Obviously in appearance this isn't the case (maybe you could make an argument for costumes but that seems like a stretch) but I can see why some people object to it. My memory is of Watto getting weirdly worse in the second film but I haven't watched that in so long so I can't really remember. lines fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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Tankbuster posted:no the point everyone keeps making is that finn was sidelined for the chinese mass market. Then the only evidence provided is an alternate poster for made for china which has no finn. The sequels did badly in china because there wasn't a big star wars audience in china, and TFA got outcompeted by another disney movie. No the point everyone keeps making is that Disney sidelined Finn based on their read of the chinese market, which along with the performative poo poo like 'first homsexual kiss! that we'll edit out of other versions' lands the blame squarely at Disney's door, rather than that of the wider Chinese audience. Here's a decent article that I imagine sums up most sensible people's read of the situation: https://qz.com/quartzy/1231764/the-story-behind-the-racist-responses-to-black-panther-in-china Key section: quote:Meanwhile, for all of its rising profile on the current global stage, China was essentially historically isolated until its opening to the world in the 1970s and 1980s. As a result, Chinese society still bears a deep streak of cultural insensitivity toward non-Chinese, not to mention residual xenophobia (which is actively cultivated by a government that frequently uses campaigns against foreigners to quash domestic discontent).
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Disney got to take a boatload of cash from china in either case. It just wasn't from their big budget star wars sequels. It was from another classic american style sports movie.Butterfly Valley posted:No the point everyone keeps making is that Disney sidelined Finn based on their read of the chinese market, which along with the performative poo poo like 'first homsexual kiss! that we'll edit out of other versions' lands the blame squarely at Disney's door, rather than that of the wider Chinese audience. There's also the fact that there wasn't a big and deep chinese market for star wars in china to begin with. Disney had to drum up interest in it from scratch while competing with things like the fast and furious movies. Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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Butterfly Valley posted:No the point everyone keeps making is that Disney sidelined Finn based on their read of the chinese market, which along with the performative poo poo like 'first homsexual kiss! that we'll edit out of other versions' lands the blame squarely at Disney's door, rather than that of the wider Chinese audience. How the gently caress is a racist laundry detergent ad evidence of frequent government campaigns against foreigners used to quash domestic dissent? That article is racist as gently caress.
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Butterfly Valley posted:No the point everyone keeps making is that Disney sidelined Finn based on their read of the chinese market, which along with the performative poo poo like 'first homsexual kiss! that we'll edit out of other versions' lands the blame squarely at Disney's door, rather than that of the wider Chinese audience. Ok, I read the article you posted and its rightfully mocking the tea leaves reading that a lot of experts on china do. Its not doing the china market watchers any favour but the entire run up until avengers endgame was popular in china like everywhere else. Star Wars' Sequel trilogy had everything to do with the original star wars movies which were released in 1970s and 80s, at a time when the chinese market wasn't even open to hollywood movies because of geopolitical reasons. It stands to make sense that star wars in general would not be the same barnburner the MCU was in China because the audience hadn't gotten into the ground floor yet. It is doubtful that hollywood itself will be able to replicate this in the future as chinese movies are increasingly providing the same spectacle that hollywood did for the chinese market. In the case of Star Wars sequels, It was beaten by a movie from a country that china has much more negative opinions on, because the subject matter was something that could touched a common strand of humanity. The movie itself did decent numbers in south korea and north korea because it was a dad rebelling against social and cultural orthodoxy to fulfill his dream through his parents. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:How the gently caress is a racist laundry detergent ad evidence of frequent government campaigns against foreigners used to quash domestic dissent? That article is racist as gently caress. Also the chinese people being unaware of black people is incredibly silly given that the PRC was and continues to be engaged in the african continent in a much more positive roll through the era of the sequels. Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:How the gently caress is a racist laundry detergent ad evidence of frequent government campaigns against foreigners used to quash domestic dissent? That article is racist as gently caress. Except it doesn't say that at all - it says the racist advert belies the existence of some xenophobia/insensitivity, which should be an obvious and uncontroversial point if an advert with a black man being washed clean into a chinese guy could make it all the way through an entire ad agency from conception to realisation. The point about government campaigns against foreigners was included in a parenthesis, but don't let your poor reading comprehension get in the way of whatever hysterical read you want to take, given the actual overall tone of the article was turning the lens right back on deeply flawed western perspectives which are much more about projection of our own prejudices than those of the chinese audience. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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The article makes an assertion that the CPC regularly stokes hatred against foreigners as a way to quash domestic dissent.
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Tankbuster posted:Also the chinese people being unaware of black people is incredibly silly given that the PRC was and continues to be engaged in the african continent in a much more positive roll through the era of the sequels. ok we're getting way off topic here but overseas business investment in africa for financial/political/influential reasons doesn't have much effect on general domestic cultural awareness of black people and culture though does it Tankbuster posted:The article makes an assertion that the CPC regularly stokes hatred against foreigners as a way to quash domestic dissent. yes, as a point (that i'm sure could absolutely be debated but a star wars thread is not the place for it) in a parenthesis that could be excised and wouldn't alter the general argument it made
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lines posted:I was just rewatching some of the Neimoidian scenes and I have to say their accent is definitely at least reminiscent of a somewhat exaggerated version of a Japanese-speaker's English accent. Obviously in appearance this isn't the case (maybe you could make an argument for costumes but that seems like a stretch) but I can see why some people object to it. They are literally a white dude mimicking a Thai accent (or at least Nute Gunray is). I've seen conflicting reports over whether a Thai actor was originally cast and replaced because his accent was deemed too strong or whether it was always just a reference track while they were exploring different accents for characters, but either way it was very much a white dude doing a fake Asian accent.
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Tankbuster posted:The article makes an assertion that the CPC regularly stokes hatred against foreigners as a way to quash domestic dissent.
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GimpInBlack posted:They are literally a white dude mimicking a Thai accent (or at least Nute Gunray is). I've seen conflicting reports over whether a Thai actor was originally cast and replaced because his accent was deemed too strong or whether it was always just a reference track while they were exploring different accents for characters, but either way it was very much a white dude doing a fake Asian accent. Right like it doesn't pass the test of "Would I feel comfortable doing this voice as a white person". I wouldn't! It would feel Bad to me.
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Yes, but the nemoidians looked like Star Wars' spin on the classic Greys. Them and the tall aliens who made the clones.
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Tankbuster posted:Yes, but the nemoidians looked like Star Wars' spin on the classic Greys. Them and the tall aliens who made the clones. Like I said I'm not talking about what they look like.
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I never did like those Neimodians. Always so haughty and aloof.
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Fond memories of getting a copy of Darth Plagieus out of the library and the section about how the Munn are an insular and secretive people who run a significant chunk of galactic banking had "new world order?" scrawled in the margins
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GimpInBlack posted:They are literally a white dude mimicking a Thai accent (or at least Nute Gunray is). I've seen conflicting reports over whether a Thai actor was originally cast and replaced because his accent was deemed too strong or whether it was always just a reference track while they were exploring different accents for characters, but either way it was very much a white dude doing a fake Asian accent. They tried to come up with an accent that sounded like "someone with no nose" would sound like. It ended up sounding like Thai for some reason, so they went with it.
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StashAugustine posted:Fond memories of getting a copy of Darth Plagieus out of the library and the section about how the Munn are an insular and secretive people who run a significant chunk of galactic banking had "new world order?" scrawled in the margins Oof.
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China not seeing American movies because of black people is a true thing but it's more that they think it's a black film and not made for them and several other countries are guilty of this as well with Germany at the front of the line. Although it doesn't matter any more, because China isn't seeing most American films at all anymore for several pretty obvious reasons and some not so obvious reasons like the fact that they are producing huge homegrown films now. Like this one
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