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So, I did a search for "Hecate's Krater" (theurgic symbol of the body as the mixing bowl of the spirit), and the 2nd return was for a coal mine disaster that happened in 1917 not 10 miles from where I was born. https://history.ky.gov/markers/1917-coal-mine-explosion Fun.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, no. Skelly Crew isn't an allegory. Or, more to the point: what do you believe it's an allegory of? And note that I don't mean some generic concept like "growing up" and/or "moral development". Lunch hour in your car, again?
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https://x.com/kedokinnie/status/1945488280444707193?t=99rBr5oc2RSMMvDjLkBMZw&s=19 This is like the precursor to that Jar Jar and Mace Windu clone wars episode.
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Jul 16, 2025 17:56
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Marsupial Ape posted:Lunch hour in your car, again? What the gently caress is a car?
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Jul 16, 2025 18:02
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I just happen to believe that text and sub-text can co-exist on screen at the same time and that the audience can experience both at the same time. Me doing commentary on the sub-context does not negate the text of the scene. My point about Wim being the male principle that facilitates the renewal of life bolsters your point about the scene giving Wim a chance to perform a small act of heroism. This is Wim's initiation/graduation from a Callow Youth to a Confident Young Man and done elegantly so. Everything in Star Wars is a goddam passion play.
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Jul 16, 2025 18:15
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I think you're putting Andor level thought into a Skeleton Crew level show. But - I am not a clever man
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Jul 16, 2025 18:45
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I care about the Emmy because there's one in my house and I would like a second one. That way the mantle will be more symmetrical.
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Jul 16, 2025 18:52
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Sash! posted:I care about the Emmy because there's one in my house and I would like a second one. That way the mantle will be more symmetrical. Just put it in the middle.
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Santini posted:I think you're putting Andor level thought into a Skeleton Crew level show. What I got out of Andor I had to suss out. Skeleton Crew is very much wearing its mythemes on its sleeves. Like, when Wim yells "I'm talking a short cut through the forest!" he is literally signaling to the audience he is taking Campbell's "path less taken" on the Hero's Journey. It's wonderful for small children who don't know what they are looking at and weird middle-aged men who do.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, no. Skelly Crew isn't an allegory. Or, more to the point: what do you believe it's an allegory of? (And note that I don't mean some generic concept like "growing up" and/or "moral development".) Ever look at a renaissance painting? It’s like that The objects in the painting often have understood meanings. They are symbols, a symbolic language. Narrative structures that are clear references to myth are symbolic language in the same manner.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I just happen to believe that text and sub-text can co-exist on screen at the same time and that the audience can experience both at the same time. Me doing commentary on the sub-context does not negate the text of the scene. Subtext actually doesn’t exist though, in and of itself. It’s just text, where the “sub-“ prefix refers to a subjective relationship to the text where it’s believed that a naive reader might not pick up on certain elements. Like, if you’re watching a porno and the main character is like “I’ve been so alone here, and I really need a handy man around the house to help with my dirty drainpipe”, you could argue that this dialogue subtextually refers to some raunchy anal fuckin’. However, it’d be much more accurate to say this isn’t subtext at all, since nobody here is fooled by the ostensible secret message. If anything, we should flip text and subtext here; there’s some curious socioeconomic class stuff going on in the scenario that people probably aren’t thinking about while they’re ‘jacking off’. But the class stuff is also certainly an aspect of the fantasy that we can’t really discount, right? Why is it important that he’s a handyman, contracted by a presumably-monied homeowner? So it’s all just the text. I do acknowledge that you are not really talking about subtext at all, so much as what you refer to as “subcontext” - apparently meaning that you’re bringing in contextualizing information that’s relatively obscure. But while context is fairly subjective (we can read Skelly Crew in the context of 1980s Amblin movies, or pirate cinema, or literally anything - it’s really just a matter of choosing to do so, and agreeing with others that that’s what we’re doing), it’s not some kind of free-for-all. So, like, going back to the hypothetical porn scenario, you can say that the handyman wields the hammer and is therefore Hephaestus, so “LO! Gaze as he busteth upon the fertile butthole of Demeter!” But the question you gotta account for is, uh, why? Are you attempting to do a Jungian psychoanalysis, or believe that you’re practicing greek polytheism? Because, in either case, this really ain’t how it’s done! We can say that Vader is a Christ figure, for example, because of the virgin birth and messianic prophecy aspect. He literally is the son of God in the setting, or at least perceived that way, and is consequently closely analogous to the character in the Bible (while also remaining distinct). But Kaybee is not such a figure. There’s no connection to her and Hecate except that she, like, also identifies as female? Like, the basic conflation of a blowtorch and a signal-torch is some kind of bad-archeology joke. Clearly this “fork” object is a tiny comb, used in the kitchen for, uh… ritual purposes! I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not against this in principle, but what the heck is your methodology? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 16, 2025 |
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Jul 16, 2025 20:42
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Fun is my methodology.
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PriorMarcus posted:Turns out the actor for Partagaz is a TERF so I'm happy he didn't get any awards recognition. Well, he's also dead, so
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Ever look at a renaissance painting? It’s like that The objects in the painting often have understood meanings. They are symbols, a symbolic language. Arnolfini Wedding = Mothma Wedding
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PriorMarcus posted:Turns out the actor for Partagaz is a TERF so I'm happy he didn't get any awards recognition. He has a trans child, the actor Lillit Lesser, most recently seen in S2 of Wolf Hall in the UK. I'm not writing him off as a TERF just yet as he's one of the kindest people I've ever worked with in 12 years in the UK TV industry but I totally agree that if you're in it the show you are directly being funded by JK's demented Crusade and I can imagine that's spurring some interesting conversations in the Lesser family at the moment.
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a lovely king posted:He has a trans child, the actor Lillit Lesser, most recently seen in S2 of Wolf Hall in the UK. I'm not writing him off as a TERF just yet as he's one of the kindest people I've ever worked with in 12 years in the UK TV industry but I totally agree that if you're in it the show you are directly being funded by JK's demented Crusade and I can imagine that's spurring some interesting conversations in the Lesser family at the moment. There's a second season of Wolf Hall?? edit: wow, so there is. I'll have to re-watch S1 and then find S2 somewhere. AJA fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jul 16, 2025 |
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I actually didn’t see Wolf Hall until after Andor 1 and I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw who they cast as More. Masterstroke. Also the Duke of Suffolk feels like a natural analogue to Davo Sculdin.
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kiimo posted:Arnolfini Wedding = Mothma Wedding Yeah it’s just packed, narratively and down into the little prop and costume details.
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a lovely king posted:He has a trans child, the actor Lillit Lesser, most recently seen in S2 of Wolf Hall in the UK. I'm not writing him off as a TERF just yet as he's one of the kindest people I've ever worked with in 12 years in the UK TV industry but I totally agree that if you're in it the show you are directly being funded by JK's demented Crusade and I can imagine that's spurring some interesting conversations in the Lesser family at the moment. This purity test bullshit people are doing is really annoying. He's an actor, he needs to act to earn money. I guarantee people complaining about him being a TERF because of something he got a role in work for megacorps that do more terrible poo poo than this guy ever will.
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I'd like to remind everyone that Disney Corporation has made political donations to the worst people ever, so if you enjoyed Andor and paid a monthly fee to Disney to watch it, you are supporting Donald Trump and the National Republican Congressional Committee. You fascist.
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1st AD posted:so if you enjoyed Andor and paid a monthly fee to Disney to watch it Hrm, yes, well, of course I did. There is a difference between not working for the Company That Owns Everything and not working on a particular project spearheaded by the world's most famous TERF. Like yeah I get it, people gotta eat, but the two aren't equivalent.
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kiimo posted:Before I worked in the industry I had this belief as well. You are free to not care and ignore all of this but it matters to the actual actors. Listing Emmy or GG or Oscar wins is a way to get better contracts and paid more and it matters to them, their agents and their managers and their families. Yeah that was my understanding. Awards do make a difference in terms of negotiating leverage and what not, plus I would imagine it does feel nice to have your efforts validated by your peers (even if most of the voters might not have watched all of the screeners they get sent or whatever).
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Not that I want to give anyone a pass for that poo poo, but at least in Anton Lesser's case he's both old as gently caress and generally only gets occasional minor roles in things. He's obviously not got Hollywood money, or a strong enough career that he gets to pick and choose. He's firmly in the jobbing actor taking any role he can just to be happy to remain in the game as long as he can spot. John Lithgow and Nick Frost and Katherine Parkinson have no such excuse.
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Love Rat posted:Plus they got technical awards to placate the nerds. IIRC, tech noms are actually done by the professionals in that department, whereas the acting/directing/overall noms are open to the whole voter base. Having seen how the sausage gets made for award campaigns, I can attest that it's all a popularity/schmooze fest
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Ever look at a renaissance painting? It’s like that The objects in the painting often have understood meanings. They are symbols, a symbolic language. I sometimes wonder if the most hardcore goons suffer from sort of multisensory integration deficiency. Like, they are so abstract and linear in thought that all incoming stimuli must be bottle-necked and examined in exclusion to contemporaneous stimuli. Men harassed by Aristotelian categorization.
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It’s just autism.
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Goddamit, I'm trying to be nice.
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Tankbuster posted:these badly researched market ideas will be seen as reality… Christ that may be the most boring story I’ve ever bothered to post here.
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Jul 17, 2025 18:58
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And yet another Star Wars movie project has been scrapped: https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/films/news/rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-update-b2789178.html
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Jul 17, 2025 21:50
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It's not exactly new information that his trilogy was never happening.
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I mean it's not really an update. For the last 5 years the status has been "maybe one day when I have time and the stars align". Seems to still be the case.
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Rian is too busy cashing giant checks from Netflix to worry about Star Wars
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Larryb posted:And yet another Star Wars movie project has been scrapped: It's not been scrapped. But, much like almost every Star Wars film project announced in the last 5 years, it was also announced very prematurely before they had anything like a script tl;dr that article is dumb clickbait.
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I wish companies would stop doing the "You like this brand? Well guess what we're thinking about right now! That's right, we're thinking about that brand and we might do something with it in the next 10 years."
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30 men. And Kreegyr.
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redshirt posted:30 men. And Kreegyr. 30 men and Krieger? 
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Marsupial Ape posted:I sometimes wonder if the most hardcore goons suffer from sort of multisensory integration deficiency. Like, they are so abstract and linear in thought that all incoming stimuli must be bottle-necked and examined in exclusion to contemporaneous stimuli. Men harassed by Aristotelian categorization. My writing is actually caused by postpartum depression. If you’re wanting to do an internet diagnosis, again: this is not how it’s done. And same is true with this ostensible “renaissance symbolism”. You haven’t presented, like, a screencap where you’re breaking down the nuances of the gesture to show that the character holds aloft a Torch Of Guidance or whatever. You haven’t made any reference to a known symbolic language. You’re literally just saying that there’s a thing in her hand what makes fire come out of it at one point. Like a lantern! (It’s not a lantern.) I mean, you mixed up a crucible with a chalice, and Renaissance painters wouldn’t have made that blunder. Crucibles have their own symbolism. It’s a very common metaphor. But again, to be clear, I’m not unsympathetic to what you’re attempting here. I just don’t think your fun would be impacted by doing things well. Like, I’m really under the impression that you’re beginning with the assumption that every single female character is an aspect of a tripartite moon goddess, and then extrapolating out from there. But, then, it gets into a feedback loop - where ‘a device what makes fire’ is holy because the character is a goddess, while the character’s godhood is proven by her use of the holy fire. Behold, the Chalice of Hecate! (It’s not a chalice.) Behold, the dogs of Hecate! (They are crabs.) You could really save some trouble by just saying these are some good female characters - that Kaybee’s aptitude with technology is tied, through her identity as a cyborg, with her agency over her body. And, you know, it is neat that the show doesn’t present this in terms of ‘weakness’ or ‘vulnerability’. She is simply a person who must consume small quantities of metal to survive - but, in the context of the series, might be dismissed as “more machine than [hu]man, twisted and evil.” And I’m not sure what calling everybody a moon goddess adds to the conversation - nor why she needs to be married to the only male character within 100 yards. If all the female characters are aspects of the moon goddess, after all, then there’s nothing particularly noteworthy in pointing it out. And it’s not falsifiable - no way to say that a character isn’t a moon goddess. Plus there already is a character who lives on the moon and gives the characters guidance on their journey; it’s the fuckin owl. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jul 18, 2025 |
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All female characters are moon goddesses, unless they are sun goddesses. But that’s feminism.
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nine-gear crow posted:30 men and Krieger? Star Wars needs more mad scientists
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Sash! posted:Star Wars needs more mad scientists That's why the Imperials lost the war! Lack of science!
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