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Jewmanji posted:Yes well also they mention Bix’s torture as an example of sanitized violence, but to me it was evocative of instances where sound and music have been an instrument of terror, such as in Abu Ghraib. Except it’s not Metallica or whatever, it’s the sound of dying children. It also reminds me of the torture scene in the Tinker Tailor movie, to the point it might have been a direct reference
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Also, one unremarked thing in Andor that I thought was very smart was how the reporters on Ghorman were clearly affecting classic NPR/BBC-esque media personae. A subtle way of showing that liberal/centrist media in the universe is fully complicit.
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George Lucas is opening some kind of art museum https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1949542274288996407?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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FlamingLiberal posted:George Lucas is opening some kind of art museum It's been in the works for years.
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Jewmanji posted:I think the article downplays some of the characters that don't fit into the convenient binary they're setting up as a necessary compromise to Disney: Timm Karlo, Skeen, the other guy on Ferrix who ratted out Cassian, Tay Kolma, Perrin, Kino Loy, even the guy working the security cameras at the hospital... they all have their own relationships to the empire/resistance that complicates things. I agree. I think the article goes further in pushing its argument, by ignoring contexts acts of the story while seeming at times to weirdly demand the sort of unflinching view of horror which Disney+ certainly wouldn't have funded and which typically happens AFTER an atrocity and not during, in terms of the world of fictional media versus documentaries. Seeing starving people lying on the street and having the camera unwaveringly focus on them just isn't a realistic expectation for this kind of show, Star Wars or not. This sort of unflinching fictional coverage of actual horror tends to lag behind the actual commission, whether it's Vietnam or WW II: show me any mainstream movie in the 30s or early 40s in America that's doing anything even close to what Winslow-Yost seems to think non-Star Wars (or non-commercialized) film (or TV) can do. It is sadly still a bit subversive to use the good/evil structures at least partly underlying the Star Wars universe to set us firmly against, say, genocide, in a moment where many viewers are either supportive of or indifferent to current genocide-in-progress on the world stage. I'm not sure the rebels come across as unquestionably good, but they are hard not to take as the side we agree with; our Imperials get a lot of character development, opportunities for us as viewers to identify with individual people, and yet their endings are all solidly on the side opposed to leopard-face-eating. "Lesser" figures (like Doctor Gorst) die in cathartic violence, while we see central figures ranging from humiliation and exploitation at the hands of an Empire they believed in (Dedra, arguably throughout the two seasons) to fury at having been used and sympathy for the people he betrayed (and who ultimately end him) to an academic admission of the persuasiveness of the manifesto and a recognition that the Empire cannot forgive failure and is fundamentally based upon cruelty. It is absolutely possible to watch The Empire Strikes Back and argue the Empire is in the right, however cartoonish the Light Side/Dark Side structure seems. Andor spends two seasons establishing that the Empire's power, authority, and orderliness are arbitrary, cruel, exploitative, corrupt, but it also works hard so that nobody gets an equivalent figure to Vader (or Ren) where you might say "I wanna be that guy." Krennic is smart and competent but in many respects his characterization is as close to C3P0 as Darth Vader; you might watch the end of S1 and want to be Brasso, or Wilmon. Maybe you might want to be Syril (although he's played with a sweaty intensity which I think mitigates that somewhat). Anyone want to be the Imperial who kicks B2EM0? Or the guy who gets clobbered by Maavra's brick? If you identify with Sgt. Mosk, what do you even think he thinks or feels about the Empire by the end of "Rix Road"? Extremely careful writing and great acting and direction led to that. You probably feel for Commandant Beehaz's family a bit in "The Eye," but is anyone watching his heart attack on screen and thinking "Gee, I hope that guy is OK?" You might think "his poor son." You certainly don't think "I want to administrate part of a colonial state when I grow up!" By rendering the evil of the Empire in the ways it does, Andor disarms (though doesn't completely eliminate) the factor that led, say, former VP Dick Chaney to revel in the idea he was "Darth Vader." You could apply part of what I think Winslow-Yost is arguing about the depiction of truly horrific deeds on TV and end up suggesting that we should have been graphically shown the genocide of the aliens whose cries are weaponized by Gorst, without recognizing that there's a difference between persuading an audience and subjecting them to horrors. Maybe the latter is more likely to drive people to rise and up revolt; I'm unconvinced, and I'm even more unconvinced that anything resembling popular media has unflinchingly faced current horrors in the way that article seems to think a better Andor would have done without its commercial (and setting) limitations.
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If you want to discuss the depiction of violence in Andor there's both Syril's headshot and people at the Massacre getting shot point blank and screaming as they die. Yes, when Cassian shoots the rent-a-cop and Skeen they're tecnically offscreen kills, but the impact is still there. The Ghorman Massacre just takes that offscreen violence and puts it front and center. You don't need blood and gore to be shockingly violent.
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FlamingLiberal posted:George Lucas is opening some kind of art museum It was going to be in Chicago but there's a group here who will fight tooth and nail against any further loss of public space on the lake
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banned from Starbucks posted:Friends of the Park can go gently caress themselves  Funny that. Well, let's be honest, that museum being in California makes sense.
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Just realized that Maarva and Bix leave Cassian on inverse terms: “you can’t stay and I can’t go” versus, essentially: “i can’t stay and you can’t go” Good show
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Yeah Bix leaving Cass is a definite parallel with Maarva refusing to leave in Season 1. Both moments start with Cass insisting that they leave it all behind and go somewhere else, and both times lead to a refusal because both Maarva and Bix believe so firmly in the Rebellion that going with Cassian would be the wrong choice.
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I didn't even catch that! This frickin' show, man.
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About a decade ago there was a film written by Gregory Burke. It's about the Irish troubles and its pretty good imho. Its like a slice of life experience of a English recruit plunged into tempest of it all. Clandestine operations, fervent resistance, very similar dynamics that are explored in Andor (only lol actually historical). I was rewatching andor s01e03, such a fanastic ep, and the clanging of the metal is obviously taken from the housewives of the IRA/community and you see it in the Gregory Burke film too. But when I really like about its use in Andor is how the clanging doesn't stop. A lesser show would have the clanging for a beat or a scene and move on. In Andor the clanging goes uncomfortably long; it doesn't cease. It obviously builds the tension, sets the tension, etc, but also it invades and prolongs a specific literal historic real techique of insurgency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2771_(film) https://letterboxd.com/film/71/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIYDNyEkJP4
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Jewmanji posted:Just realized that Maarva and Bix leave Cassian on inverse terms: “you can’t stay and I can’t go” versus, essentially: “i can’t stay and you can’t go” The show is full of that kind of mirroring. Pieces or variations of the same dialogue gets spoken by different characters in different contexts throughout the whole series (I will think of a few later on). There are also parallel speeches like the way Mon Motha opens and ends her speech about Palpatine in a very similar way to Marva's funeral speech, and both kind of serve the same purposes at escalating scales. There are a bunch of scenes of someone being the passenger of a ship leaving under duress or with urgency while either the pilot looks back at the passenger or the passenger looks back behind them. Think of the sunlight in Luthen and Marva's ship with Cassian in the back as a child and as an adult, and then seeing a similar light when Cassian looks back at Bix and Wilmon in the stolen tie fighter or when Mom Mothma is in the back of her car leaving the senate with Cassian. Last time I watched the series all the way though I was amazed at how thematic parallels run through the whole story, how different characters would arrive at the same or similar conclusions at later stages. The writing really is next level. A couple examples of line repeating: Vel repeating Cinta's "we can only take what's left speech" to Mon. Kino repeats a lot of the same lines he and Cassian exchanged in his prison break speech. Marva also includes stuff she said to Cassian verbatim in her funeral speech. A really obvious one is "I have friends everywhere." In the Gorn dream, he tells Bix "Everyone has their own rebellion" which I think is originally spoken by Vel to Cassian. There are others too, but I'm blanking. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Aug 1, 2025 |
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Love Rat posted:A couple examples of line repeating: This is how moral influence works. The modeled behavior and symbols are repeated by others.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:This is how moral influence works. The modeled behavior and symbols are repeated by others. Yeah, it's cool to see it play out dramatically over a longish arc.
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https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-50th-anniversary-theatrical-release I guess the obvious question is, which one. The announcement is a bit vague, but it reads like it's the unmodified original. If you're celebrating 50, it should be the original and not the special edition.
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Arc Hammer posted:They recently got their hands on an unaltered film reel of the original release and it was shown last month. Apparently it's not in great condition but the fact that it exists at all is a miracle. Yeah no shot it's this version. It's gonna be the Macklunkey version.
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Arc Hammer posted:They recently got their hands on an unaltered film reel of the original release and it was shown last month. Apparently it's not in great condition but the fact that it exists at all is a miracle. Yeah, there's been various reels of the "original" release in various hands still. I say "original", because there are still numerous small changes made since '77 pre-Special Editions. Give me OG non-Episode IV branded Star Wars in the crawl please. Thanks.
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Teek posted:Yeah, there's been various reels of the "original" release in various hands still. Somewhere in space, this may all be happening right now...
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Madurai posted:Somewhere in space, this may all be happening right now... …This has all happened before and it will all happen again…
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Does the original theatrical cut of ANH (the one without Episode IV in the opening crawl) even still exist at this point?
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Larryb posted:Does the original theatrical cut of ANH (the one without Episode IV in the opening crawl) even still exist at this point?  of the original theater version circulating online.
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Larryb posted:Does the original theatrical cut of ANH (the one without Episode IV in the opening crawl) even still exist at this point? Project 4K77 is (almost entirely) a scan of an original, 1977 print of the movie.
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Madurai posted:Somewhere in space, this may all be happening right now... lol I remember this being sampled on a song I heard forever back, and it took me a bunch of pointedly not thinking about it to remember it properly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d67NgvF4cjU&t=59s
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So what Star Wars shows are slated for 2026? Is Ahsoka S2 schedule for next year or 2027? Or are we just getting Visions Vol 3?
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They just started production around when Celebration happened. Assuming the schedule is similar to season 1, I’m guessing they wrap right when production for Starfighter begins. So maybe it’s coming next year? Not sure how it will fit in the release schedule with the movie in May.
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Arc Hammer posted:So what Star Wars shows are slated for 2026? Is Ahsoka S2 schedule for next year or 2027? Or are we just getting Visions Vol 3? I forget, is the Maul show scheduled for next year? Otherwise I think it's just Visions that's been confirmed for sure so far
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Arc Hammer posted:So what Star Wars shows are slated for 2026? Is Ahsoka S2 schedule for next year or 2027? Or are we just getting Visions Vol 3? Tales of Dave Filoni Retconning Andor.
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Cojawfee posted:Tales of Dave Filoni Retconning Andor. Tales of Fulcrum (no not that one)
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Why do so many fans act like Filoni has some sort of beef with Andor? I've never seen anything that indicates there is.
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Lazy Fair posted:Why do so many fans act like Filoni has some sort of beef with Andor? I've never seen anything that indicates there is. It’s called the Narcissism of small differences The wrong pudgy middled aged white man was chosen by George. It should have been me.
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Lazy Fair posted:Why do so many fans act like Filoni has some sort of beef with Andor? I've never seen anything that indicates there is. Because a reliable leaker came out and said Filoni disliked it and Kennedy had to protect it, and recently when Filoni was being looked at as next in line for the keys to the empire the company was split because he was the "Ahsoka guy, not the Andor guy."
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It's not a huge leap to imagine that the schlubby dork who wears a loving cowboy hat all the time who insists on sticking his OC space waifu into his poorly written and received TV series might be slightly resentful of the handsome incredibly literate guy who doesn't have any particular affinity for star wars nevertheless using that universe to create an incredible treatise on rebellion and imperialism and having everyone (including his parent company) showering him in accolades for it
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Dave Filoni is such a fundamental Star Wars nerd that he can't not love Andor. It would be like one of us not loving Andor. I have a much easier time believing that you can't put Filoni and Gilroy in the same room because it just devolves into the Chris Farley interviewing Paul McCartney skit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L-PUCx6PzA
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Dexo posted:Kennedy had to protect it because during that Time Disney was cutting budgets of loving everything and Andor was expensive as poo poo. Yeah the show cost like 600 million dollary-doos. Doubtful Andor itself will recoup that but it was necessary to revitalize a franchise which had burned a lot of good will. I have no doubt the finance types were howling about it behind the scenes though.
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