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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
You people need to get on Hulu and watch The Confederate States of America.

Edit: What a loving page snipe for a thread about a children's cartoon... :negative:

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Tei
Feb 19, 2011

i heart Earth is not a good place.

I need more wholesame news about Eternia

The Z-Man
Nov 13, 2012

Nap Ghost
Oh my god these next few days are going to crawl by

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Elephant Ambush posted:

Catra's subtle reactions in that clip are awesome.

Other than digging her claws in over Adora's name I very much appreciated the horrified :stare: face.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Elephant Ambush posted:

Which is awful misogynist "women be crazy and need to be kept in check by men" trash

Although iirc it's just her doing what literally every single member of her family has done. It's more 'The rightful heir returns, oh poo poo turns out we wiped out this bloodline for a reason'.

Asgerd
May 6, 2012

I worked up a powerful loneliness in my massive bed, in the massive dark.
Grimey Drawer

tsob posted:

I haven't even seen Game of Thrones, but from what I gather of them as creators it doesn't sound like they'd make the best use of it,

You don’t realise what an incredible understatement this part is. It’s not so much that it would be completely impossible to make the subject matter work, but it is completely impossible that D&D could have done it.

The Z-Man
Nov 13, 2012

Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Although iirc it's just her doing what literally every single member of her family has done. It's more 'The rightful heir returns, oh poo poo turns out we wiped out this bloodline for a reason'.

That's not the point. The point is that every single woman in GoT gets treated horribly in a million different ways. Dany was the one woman who had a chance at dishing out justice on behalf of all those women. But nope, her character completely changes for no good reason and she goes completely crazy and has to be put down and of course the hero man is forced to do it because ugh tragedy and gosh gee willikers it sucks that men just have to destroy all these crazy women to keep the world safe.

On a positive note, 2 more days! :dance:

Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008

Re: Game of Thrones, I don't think the "Dany is a tyrant" plot point is impossible to deliver well, but yeah, as delivered in the show, it's literally just "woman goes crazy, Jon Snow and Tyrion sadly muse over how they both think she's a hottie and would totally do her but damnit, the nation demands a coup". That scene with Jon and Tyrion in the dungeon radiates "women are crazy, what are you gonna do" energy.

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


paradoxGentleman posted:

I've heard rumors that the writers wanted to close things up quickly (on their hyper popular, money-printing series!) to focus on... A series where the South wins the American Civil War. Not sure how true that is.

I believe the order of operations was "we want to wrap up GOT so we can go get that disney star wars money. btw hbo we got another show idea (the pro confederacy show) let's do that when we're done with star wars baby" -> last season of GOT airs, every single person hates it -> disney tells them to gently caress off -> ah shucks. well hey hbo lets make our show now? -> hbo tells them to gently caress off

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Elephant Ambush posted:

Oh my god these next few days are going to crawl by

I just binged Life is Strange so going from that to the series end of She-ra I'm only hoping there's something happy about the ending.

Norwegian Rudo
May 9, 2013

Doctor Reynolds posted:

I believe the order of operations was "we want to wrap up GOT so we can go get that disney star wars money. btw hbo we got another show idea (the pro confederacy show) let's do that when we're done with star wars baby" -> last season of GOT airs, every single person hates it -> disney tells them to gently caress off -> ah shucks. well hey hbo lets make our show now? -> hbo tells them to gently caress off

You're forgetting they also signed a huge Netflix deal in there somewhere.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

It did apparently turn out they only made passable TV because they had a massive book series to use and as soon as they had to make up their own stuff it turns out they're terrible at everything, and also they're even more blatant Hollywood nepotism cases than usual.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It did apparently turn out they only made passable TV because they had a massive book series to use and as soon as they had to make up their own stuff it turns out they're terrible at everything, and also they're even more blatant Hollywood nepotism cases than usual.

They literally told their assistant to write an episode rather then do it themselves.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

pentyne posted:

They literally told their assistant to write an episode rather then do it themselves.

That sounds like the smartest thing they did.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It did apparently turn out they only made passable TV because they had a massive book series to use and as soon as they had to make up their own stuff it turns out they're terrible at everything, and also they're even more blatant Hollywood nepotism cases than usual.

Didn't they get guidelines from George R. R. Martin on what should happen in seasons where there was no book to act as a guide? I was under the impression the problem was more that they just got tired of making Game of Thrones and started running through events faster than was really advisable. I would assume that them being mediocre writers plays some hand in it too, even if they were compressing poo poo to get through it as fast as possible, but that's certainly what seems to be the bigger issue to my reading of things (which, again, I haven't actually seen, so only have a very superficial understanding of).

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I was given to understand that at the very start of the show, GRRM gave them a very rough outline for the entire story. However, they were still working with GRRM for the early seasons and then at some point, I think they had creative differences with him? Like they wanted to take the story in a different direction. It's not like GRRM couldn't have stayed on board with the show when they ran out of books and consulted, but he didn't and I think he's made it pretty clear he didn't like what they ended up doing. I wouldn't assume at this point that what happened in the last few seasons is accurate to GRRM's plan for the books.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

CuwiKhons posted:

I was given to understand that at the very start of the show, GRRM gave them a very rough outline for the entire story. However, they were still working with GRRM for the early seasons and then at some point, I think they had creative differences with him? Like they wanted to take the story in a different direction. It's not like GRRM couldn't have stayed on board with the show when they ran out of books and consulted, but he didn't and I think he's made it pretty clear he didn't like what they ended up doing. I wouldn't assume at this point that what happened in the last few seasons is accurate to GRRM's plan for the books.

GRRM said he didn't want to write any material that wasn't in book form, so he ducked out after Season 4.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

by HopperUK
https://twitter.com/dreamworksshera/status/1260333638576566272

The Z-Man
Nov 13, 2012

Nap Ghost

Fuckin' sweet. Alarm set.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

by HopperUK
https://twitter.com/gingerhazing/status/1157128375481200640

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

VanSandman posted:

GRRM said he didn't want to write any material that wasn't in book form, so he ducked out after Season 4.

He's made statements that disparage the 8th season and indicates its not similar to his planned ending.

edit: Man I can't believe everyone turned out to be straight the entire time. Really played the long game before introducing Nettossa's husband.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 08:14 on May 15, 2020

Nerdietalk
Dec 23, 2014

I didn’t plan on binging it all in one night but here we are

Full series spoilers: i love winning

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen
Solid season although I gotta say, I was hoping Shadow Weaver could be the final boss. Oh well...

Also ENTRAPDAK LIIIIIIVES

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!
I was legitimately shocked that she was never taken over by Prime, tbh

Top 3 things of the season:
1) The Kiss
2) Wrong Hordak
3) Catra's Haircut

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
lol at Horde Prime getting the ultimate 'it's not about you' ending.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Kind of a weak season but a solid finale, it really couldn't have ended better. Definitely felt like a lot was rushed to get everything/one in place for the final battle.

Great writing in the last 2 episodes, they packed in everything at the end and it felt like it would never stop or let up.

Mermista: *sees Hordak "So we're all just okay with this now?"

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen
The near-final scene where Hordak remembers finding baby Adora was so weirdly sweet.

Axel Serenity
Sep 27, 2002
I'm sad this show is over, but I'm really glad it was made.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Even if it only ended up buying time I'm really glad

Hordak got to choke slam Prime into THE PIT :black101:

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Axel Serenity posted:

I'm sad this show is over, but I'm really glad it was made.

It's a rather outstanding show as a whole.

I read about Legend of Korra recently and that was hugely important as one of the only examples of positive queer representation in youth focused animated shows.

She-ra takes that way up to including transpersons as treated just like nbd and a typical part of their society.

This was a major improvement over Voltron in so many ways, from the faster pace to a tighter focus on making the relationships feel so more real and organic.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I'd say I can't believe Scorpia is the best princess but I already knew it. She's so good.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

pentyne posted:

I read about Legend of Korra recently and that was hugely important as one of the only examples of positive queer representation in youth focused animated shows.

She-ra takes that way up to including transpersons as treated just like nbd and a typical part of their society.

Korra's relationship was a bit sad because you could tell it was obviously plotted in a way to be easily removed if the network didn't like it and sadly we still see that today (though more in movies than TV.)

The way She-Ra handles them is so great because they're treated so normally.

I especially appreciate that the relationships run the spectrum instead of it being a gay relationship only show. That really helps ground it. It enforces that all of the relationships portrayed are normal (and for the most part healthy.)

Too many shows that feature exclusively one type of pairing (especially lesbian) feel like they're actually doing it for fanservice. She-Ra quite effectively avoids that pitfall.

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


Episode 1 reaction: Pretty solid, establishing the new normal. Lil bits of every character to remind you who everybody is and how they behave. Good stuff, good stuff. Prime seems like a pretty OP opponent, curious how they're going to take him down. I'm going to guess somehow overwhelm his ability to 'look into' clones weakens him somehow, and Catra gets him. We'll see!

Axel Serenity
Sep 27, 2002
Korra is one of my all-time favorites, and She-Ra takes its torch to show what it could have been without the shackles of Nickelodeon.

Between this series finale and today's Harley Quinn, it's been a pretty good day for television.

I think what I liked about this season the most is that it was very self-aware. Stuff like "So, we're just not gonna talk about this or what?" in regards to Hordak show that the creators knew they weren't going to be able to necessarily address everything perfectly, but that they were aware of complaints viewers might have. The season is just sprinkled with them, and it's a nice touch to see a show admitting that kind of stuff to its fans even as events are happening.

pentyne posted:

On that note the Korra franchise is continued by one of the original creators in comic form and is ongoing, and he leaned all the way into the lesbian relationship because the 2 creators fully intended that but could only do so much on a Nick cartoon show.

Oh, I definitely have Turf Wars. I love it.

Axel Serenity fucked around with this message at 00:49 on May 16, 2020

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
I heard through the queer supernetwork that something good happened here

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Axel Serenity posted:

Korra is one of my all-time favorites, and She-Ra takes its torch to show what it could have been without the shackles of Nickelodeon.

Between this series finale and today's Harley Quinn, it's been a pretty good day for television.

On that note the Korra franchise is continued by one of the original creators in comic form and is ongoing, and he leaned all the way into the lesbian relationship because the 2 creators fully intended that but could only do so much on a Nick cartoon show. I just recalled that when the episode aired tumblr loving exploded and the wiki articles got locked down as a ton of people kept insisting there's was nothing queer about it and eventually the creators had to say "yeah, they're together now"

Some good articles already out spoiling the ending but uh

quote:

As far back as season one, She-Ra established a queer relationship between two other princesses called Netossa and Spinnerella, while also hinting at what was to come for Adora and Catra.

Straight viewers might have missed it, but the romantic tension has always been palpable between these on-and-off-again enemies, most notably when they danced together in the 'Princess Prom' episode.

How dense would you have to be to "missed it"?

Article also interviews Noelle, she apparently had to fight tooth and nail to get the story she wanted told and got a lot of pushback for what eventually came out.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:57 on May 16, 2020

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

One thing that genuinely surprised me in a good way in the finale was after Hordak slam dunked Prime into the pit and Entrapta was super happy, then got nervous as he started laughing, I thought they were going to do the classic "Now I am in command and I shall be the actual final villain!" with Hordak. It would have been a real let down, not because Hordak's a good person because he's not, but because he's just a real downgrade as a villain from Prime. Then it was revealed that of course Prime took control of Hordak because why the hell wouldn't he? It's well established he can do that. I wouldn't call it a twist but I don't think it's what an average story would have done and I really liked it.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

pentyne posted:

Article also interviews Noelle, she apparently had to fight tooth and nail to get the story she wanted told and got a lot of pushback for what eventually came out.

Realistically, this isn't going to stop happening any time soon, but I'm glad the show pulled it off the way it did.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Open Source Idiom posted:

Realistically, this isn't going to stop happening any time soon, but I'm glad the show pulled it off the way it did.

I found a mention of Voltron and how the writers were told point blank by execs "Shiro is here to sell toys so no" when they were trying to push their ideas to develop his character.

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Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


Episode 2 reaction: Yeah, we get it, Entrapta is bad at people good at tech. This really didn't need to be the focus of an episode. "I reinstate my hooray!" was pretty good, though! As usual, Scorpia #1.

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