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experienceBeej
Mar 24, 2014

ConfusedUs posted:

Entrapta is my favorite princess by a country mile. She’s deliberately written a bit autistic, right? I can just imagine some little kid with autistic tendencies watching her and being totally enraptured. (Please tell me if I’m using the wrong words here, I’m not deliberately being insensitive, but I don’t have a lot of experience with folks with this particular set of traits)

From interviews, we’ve learned that Entrapta wasn’t initially intended to be written as autistic but one of the crew asked if she was, because *he* was autistic and her behaviour seemed really familiar. So they decided that yeah, it tracks that Entrapta is, and so they involved him in helping to write her that way, so she would be more realistic and relatable.

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Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

ConfusedUs posted:

It’s slow going over here, but I finished season 2! In fact I’m a few episodes into season 3 because I didn’t realize we hit a finale whoops.

More stray thoughts.

Catra’s voice actress is amazing. The scorn, the taunts, the mocking laugh, the hurt, the anger...she’s got some range.

Also I can’t be the only one who loves the way she says “Hey Adora” can I?

Swift Wing (wind?) is hilarious and under used.

Entrapta is my favorite princess by a country mile. She’s deliberately written a bit autistic, right? I can just imagine some little kid with autistic tendencies watching her and being totally enraptured. (Please tell me if I’m using the wrong words here, I’m not deliberately being insensitive, but I don’t have a lot of experience with folks with this particular set of traits)

Glimmer still annoys me, but less than before.

Holy poo poo Bow has two dads and they both own.

Holy poo poo he had to rip the midriff off to fight lol.

Holy poo poo this is a coming out episode isn’t it? Even though he has two dads. That’s good poo poo.

Entrapta and Hordak...are bonding? And Hordak has no game. I feel seen.

I’m glad we’ve moved away from adventure of the week to a more serialized story.

God drat did Shadow Weaver do a number on Catra. And I kinda like this enemy of my enemy thing she’s setting up.

Portals? Please tell me we get some He Man characters in here. If Skeletor shows up I’m gonna die of happiness. (Actually don’t tell me)

Glimmer...sigh. One episode she’s badass and competent in a fight. The next she’s blindly hurling sparkle balls. The next she is badass again. Then sparkle balls. Sigh.

Scorpia is way too nice for the horde. I love how they managed to make her both kind of dumb but also really competent when given direct tasks. Except when suddenly she doesn’t know how to lead a crew despite being a force captain. She went through the orientation and everything, people.

Everything about the episode with Tongue Lashor was great. Everything.

Haha snuggle up and get cozy because you are in for a heck of a ride

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

ConfusedUs posted:

Also I can’t be the only one who loves the way she says “Hey Adora” can I?

It instantly became a thing.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
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experienceBeej posted:

From interviews, we’ve learned that Entrapta wasn’t initially intended to be written as autistic but one of the crew asked if she was, because *he* was autistic and her behaviour seemed really familiar. So they decided that yeah, it tracks that Entrapta is, and so they involved him in helping to write her that way, so she would be more realistic and relatable.

This is great.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

The_Doctor posted:

<starts banging fists on desk>

MOVIE! MOVIE! MOVIE! MOVIE!

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.

experienceBeej posted:

From interviews, we’ve learned that Entrapta wasn’t initially intended to be written as autistic but one of the crew asked if she was, because *he* was autistic and her behaviour seemed really familiar. So they decided that yeah, it tracks that Entrapta is, and so they involved him in helping to write her that way, so she would be more realistic and relatable.

Wait, that wasn't intentional??

experienceBeej
Mar 24, 2014

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

Wait, that wasn't intentional??

Keep in mind this could have been at the point of original script drafts, and not a recording script or even the final. I would guess that it came up very early in development.

Found it. Not an interview - a series of tweets starting from this question:

https://twitter.com/polypearIs/status/1263950269743800323?s=20

Read Noelle’s responses following that tweet.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Finished season three last night. Apparently I was already halfway through it when I posted my s2 thoughts.


“You made your choice. Now live with it!” gently caress yeah!

Scorpia continues to be too drat nice for the horde. Is it widely known she’s a princess? It seems that she would directly undermine horde propaganda about princesses.

Autocorrect keeps trying to say horse when I type horde so expect that typo to pop up a few times.

The collapsing reality episode was amazing.

I will never get tired of Bow’s commitment to a bare midriff. I love that’s how he realized that reality was all hosed up.

I am ashamed at how long it took me to connect the queen’s name with the fact that she’s literally angelic in appearance.

“I’m a coward” is another great line. In fact, this episode did more to make me like the queen than the entire show up to his point.

Jesus Christ all their names are literal aren’t they? Every one of them.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

ConfusedUs posted:

Jesus Christ all their names are literal aren’t they? Every one of them.
Yeah, that's pretty much what the 80s showrunners wanted.

"I WANT THE SHINY PRINCESS!"
"I WANT THE CAT LADY"

Which is funny since the MotU line was all about lovely puns like MekaNek or Stinkorr. It's kind of.... insulting towards girls?

Fans have to be NetTossa and CastASpellA

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.

experienceBeej posted:

Keep in mind this could have been at the point of original script drafts, and not a recording script or even the final. I would guess that it came up very early in development.

Found it. Not an interview - a series of tweets starting from this question:

https://twitter.com/polypearIs/status/1263950269743800323?s=20

Read Noelle’s responses following that tweet.

Ahh, ok. I was about to say, lol.

maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.

ConfusedUs posted:


Scorpia continues to be too drat nice for the horde. Is it widely known she’s a princess? It seems that she would directly undermine horde propaganda about princesses.


It should be; Catra publicly used Scorpia's standing invitation to the Princess Prom to pull off the plan that captured Glimmer and Bow back in Season 1. Everyone who was there, including the Horde Soldiers, should know that Scorpia is (or could believe that she at least was, on a Technicality) a Princess.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

FilthyImp posted:

Yeah, that's pretty much what the 80s showrunners wanted.

"I WANT THE SHINY PRINCESS!"
"I WANT THE CAT LADY"

Which is funny since the MotU line was all about lovely puns like MekaNek or Stinkorr. It's kind of.... insulting towards girls?

Fans have to be NetTossa and CastASpellA

Well, there's TONG LASHOR!

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





MonsieurChoc posted:

Well, there's TONG LASHOR!

Catra’s reaction to that guy, and his subsequent chumping, is one of my favorite bits from the show so far.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥

ConfusedUs posted:

“You made your choice. Now live with it!” gently caress yeah!

Given the state of the world, it was immensely cathartic to hear Catra give the old 'you hurt my feelings so it's your fault I'm a Nazi now!' and see her given the appropriate rebuttal.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
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Finished Season 4.

More random thoughts:

-Glimmer gets a new look and a power upgrade! Finally.
-Not a fan of the weird rift between Adora and Glimmer. Really not a fan of how it continues to grow so far out of proportion. It's the worst part of the season, IMO.
-I really love everything about Mara's story.
-Omg Double Trouble's over-the-top theater kid persona is glorious.
-gently caress yeah, Kyle is kind of a badass? I hope he gets a good ending.
-Scorpia is now officially a princess. She was already the best princess, now it's just For Real.
-You know, I'm kind of glad that Catra spent an entire season slowly driving everyone away and coming to realize that she's hosed up. Double Trouble's speech to her at the end, "maybe the problem is you," wouldn't have hit so hard if Catra didn't know it already.
-The Razz episode miiiiiight be my favorite of the season. The way it constantly shifts in time is great. WTF is up with Razz though? She was a crazy old lady even back in Mara's day. How's she still here?
-Hordak is really growing on me as a tragic character. His broken heart over Entrapta's betrayal humanizes him way more than I would have ever expected. And then to be thrown out by Horde Prime? Ouch.
-Bow's impassioned speech about friendship to Entrapta owns, especially when she really DGAF. I love Entrapta.
-Speaking of Entrapta, I really relate to how she deals with emotional trauma. I constantly struggle to make sense of my emotions, and it's often easier for me to shift into an analytical mode than to directly face them. She's way more extreme than I am, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a character on TV struggle anywhere close to the way I do before.
-Huh, Glimmer's dad is alive.
-I love that nobody really won at the climax. Adora broke the sword, but didn't stop the dimensional shift.
-Horde Prime is gonna be a fun villain.
-gently caress, Season 5 is the last season isn't it?

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

ConfusedUs posted:

-The Razz episode miiiiiight be my favorite of the season. The way it constantly shifts in time is great. WTF is up with Razz though? She was a crazy old lady even back in Mara's day. How's she still here?

I just figured she perceives time differently than the rest of us, like the squid aliens in Arrival or Merlin in TH White's King Arthur books

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
The Razz episode felt really Slaughterhouse Five to me.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

ConfusedUs posted:

-Hordak is really growing on me as a tragic character. His broken heart over Entrapta's betrayal humanizes him way more than I would have ever expected. And then to be thrown out by Horde Prime? Ouch.

You gave yourself a name.

Ironslave
Aug 8, 2006

Corpse runner

Voyager I posted:

Given the state of the world, it was immensely cathartic to hear Catra give the old 'you hurt my feelings so it's your fault I'm a Nazi now!' and see her given the appropriate rebuttal.

The force behind and the finality present in that moment (Adora is denying Catra's constant physical and emotional abuse at the literal end of the world) is part of what made the last season so odd to me.

Anshu
Jan 9, 2019


ConfusedUs posted:

-The Razz episode miiiiiight be my favorite of the season. The way it constantly shifts in time is great. WTF is up with Razz though? She was a crazy old lady even back in Mara's day. How's she still here?

I don't understand. She's going about her day as normal and other people keep wandering in and out of her timeline and claiming they're separated by thousands of years, when they obviously just missed each other by a matter of minutes.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Wait. Does the intro animation change in every season?

stab
Feb 12, 2003

To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high

ConfusedUs posted:

Wait. Does the intro animation change in every season?

In season 5 it literally changes in between episodes as the story progresses. It's a fantastic touch.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
You mean the final title card?

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

The_Doctor posted:

You mean the final title card?

The Big Gay Kiss is obvo a big deal but three episodes before that Nettossa was dip-kissing Spinerella full on the lips on the title card. It's blink-and-you'll-miss-it stuff :haw:

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

stab posted:

In season 5 it literally changes in between episodes as the story progresses. It's a fantastic touch.
It's something that's been super en-vogue in Anime for a while now. poo poo like custom ending songs/music or slightly tweaked Op/Ed sequences to reflect the story.

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy
Started watching a month ago, reading the thread in chunks as I finished each season. Finished it tonight, immediately came to read the last... uh, 817 posts since the season 5 start. Kinda surprised at the conflicted reactions from many posters to the end, but oh well. I see some others are also still watching so I'll just dump thoughts I'm bursting to get out in a big ol' black box.

I spent most of the series yelling in my head "TELL HER YOU LOVE HER YOU DICK" at Catra. Her line in the second-last episode, "Adora doesn't want me, not like I want her" absolutely crushed me. I actually already saw the big gay rainbow magic kiss on twitter before I watched the show at all, but even knowing how it'd end I still felt every bit of their confused, angst-ridden friendship, rivalry and eventual romance. I absolutely buy them together, I absolutely buy this being the start of Catra's redemption, and I absolutely want a follow-up one-off episode showing us Scorpia's future princess ball in full so Adora and Catra can have a proper dance.
(And even though I knew it was coming, I still double-fist-pumped and shouted a big ol' "YES" at The Kiss.)

I wish this Entrapta had been on my TV when I was a kid. Scorpia, too. I hadn't seen or heard anything about these versions of Entrapta or Scorpia prior to watching, unlike Catradora, and I'm glad I got to experience them without any expectations. Many of their quieter character moments really resonated with me and I hope a lot of kids get to see these characters, not just us alleged-adults. They don't have the most mass appeal but for some kids out there, those two are going to be really important and stick with them.

I adore Mermista, too. Bit miffed she didn't get more screen time in season 5. This series does have the problem of having quite a large cast and most of that supporting cast being more engaging than the main hero and villain. I'd have liked this to have gone to at least six seasons; add another dozen episodes somewhere in the middle, so more characters could get feature episodes. Most variations of "[character-of-the-week] tries to corral Entrapta" would be grand.

The reveal that Razz is slipping back-and-forth through time was wonderful and the whole pie episode is probably the best, even though it's the lightest on laughs. Not an absolutely original concept, but wonderfully executed.

Prime/Hordak's voice actor should be handed all the awards for that last season.

It was right at the start, but I'm still not over Entrapta dropping "hack the planet!".


My nieces and nephews are all just a fraction too young for this right now, but this time next year I will make sure I have the blurays on hand ready to go.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Scorpia is the best character :colbert:

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Elephant Ambush posted:

Scorpia is the best character :colbert:

There is not enough Scorpia love in this thread.

Her song number alone, man.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

pressedbunny posted:

The reveal that Razz is slipping back-and-forth through time was wonderful

I think I missed that...?

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
I'm still devastated that my little cousin thinks she-ra is only 'ok' :(

Watermelon Daiquiri fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jul 20, 2020

Myok
Apr 8, 2005

Technology on the brain.
Pillbug

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

I'm still devastated that my little cousin things she-ra is only 'ok' :(

What's your cousin's basis for comparison?

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

I'm still devastated that my little cousin things she-ra is only 'ok' :(

IMO that's a good thing - there's so much more media like She-Ra and general LGBT+ positive content out there nowadays that people actually get to have options on what they like or don't like. There were no gay couples in the cartoons I watched growing up and it wouldn't be until I dipped into poorly fansubbed anime like Utena that I actually saw non-straight romantic interactions that weren't a homophobic joke. I was 15 when I watched that.

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy

The_Doctor posted:

I think I missed that...?
In 'Remember', Razz says "this has all happened before. I remember it like it was yesterday – for Madame Razz it was yesterday", which sounds like her usual confused rambling, which up until that point is only shown as her talking about the past as if it is the present. (Plus there's the portal exacerbating everyone's memories at that time.) But in the opening of 'Hero' she calls Mara 'Adora', who (in everyone else's timeline) Razz won't meet for another thousand years, showing us that she's not just confusing Adora and the present time with past events, but was also in the past confusing then-present events and people with the future. So when she said that long-past experiences were "yesterday", she wasn't just confused or affected by the portal; for her these things literally were just yesterday, as she's been living in both the past and present simultaneously.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
She got Slaughter House Five'd.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

pressedbunny posted:

In 'Remember', Razz says "this has all happened before. I remember it like it was yesterday – for Madame Razz it was yesterday", which sounds like her usual confused rambling, which up until that point is only shown as her talking about the past as if it is the present. (Plus there's the portal exacerbating everyone's memories at that time.) But in the opening of 'Hero' she calls Mara 'Adora', who (in everyone else's timeline) Razz won't meet for another thousand years, showing us that she's not just confusing Adora and the present time with past events, but was also in the past confusing then-present events and people with the future. So when she said that long-past experiences were "yesterday", she wasn't just confused or affected by the portal; for her these things literally were just yesterday, as she's been living in both the past and present simultaneously.

Yeah the laws of space and time apply to her in different ways and it's cool as heck that they never tried to fully explain how or why.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

The_Doctor posted:

I think I missed that...?
You missed when she started baking a pie for Mara and then turned around and it was finished for Adora? That was a fun one.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I possibly wasn’t sure if it was just metaphorical time slipping, like it was meant to be indicative of her mind slipping back and forth between then and now. I literally can’t remember it at all, so I’ll have to go back and watch.

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


The secret is in the name! If you re-arrange the letters in "Madame Razz", what do you get? "Time travel." Pretty creative stuff, almost missed that myself.

no need to check the math yourself just accept it

Teledahn
May 14, 2009

What is that bear doing there?


pressedbunny posted:

I spent most of the series yelling in my head [snip] Her line in the second-last episode, [snip] absolutely crushed me.

I'd have liked this to have gone to at least six seasons; add another dozen episodes somewhere in the middle, so more characters could get feature episodes.

About the same! I finished this yesterday, having watched a few episodes a day for the past two-three weeks. At first I felt pretty crushed when I learned season 5 was the planned last (This was before I got there) but the 'post-good-thing-sadness' is real. This show was great, but Ooof, been awhile since a show hit me like that! I felt season 5 was the best Catradora!, but also flawed due to perhaps too much ramping-up and plot-point compression. But I hardly think anyone would argue against more She-Ra, had the plot beats of season 5 been divided and extended into a hypothetical season 6.

Catra's redemption arc, not to reopen the enormous walls of text up-thread, resonated and very much struck home with me. Wish there had been more moments of "I'm sorry I got angry, it's something I'm working on" (Cue Adora's sparkly eyes) to cement her character growth.

ConfusedUs posted:

Catra’s voice actress is amazing. The scorn, the taunts, the mocking laugh, the hurt, the anger...she’s got some range. Also I can’t be the only one who loves the way she says “Hey Adora” can I?
Holy poo poo Bow has two dads and they both own.
Scorpia is way too nice for the horde.

200% agreed. Repost but a good'un: 4 min clip of She-Ra cast trying on “Hey Adora”

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Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.
Me scrolling through this video: WHERES DOUBLE TROUBLE??

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