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I watched through the Masters of the Universe: Revelation: Celebration commentary tracks Kevin Smith did with the writers, and I'll just post the notes I made on each episode as I was listening/watching about the most interesting things they said. Or at least, the bits I thought people in this thread might care about :Masters of the Universe: Revelation: Celebration posted:Episode 1 (N/A) I think it was in the final episode that Kevin and (presumably) Eric were talking about how originally Randor's line to Adam at the start of episode one when he comments on Duncan and Teela was "That's parental pride Adam; maybe one day you'll experience it too". Which some other one of the writers said should be changed to "That's parental pride Adam; maybe I'll experience it one day too", to set up Randor's relationship to Adam and how he reacts to the revelation that Adam is He-Man along with things in the back half of the season better. Also, because it came up in the thread I kept an eye out for when someone seemed like they were trying to tell Teela about the Sorceress being her mother:
So that's 3 times someone seemed like they were trying to tell her in 3 different episodes, and in both the episodes without someone trying to do so there is instead a hint at something going on. In the first episode the Sorceress pauses time as Skeletor exposes the magic orb so she can see Teela "one last time" and in episode four Teela appears to use magic to defeat Scare-Glow. That all said, I re-watched episode 5 after watching the commentary tracks over the last few days and I still don't quite get why Adam chose his "lesser form" for Preternia. By Kevin's word it's to establish who Adam is, and narratively it also serves to highlight that Teela did always know Adam because she knew the real Adam, and He-Man was just a disguise he wore i.e. it's like Superman, which Kevin outright says quite frequently. What I don't get is why Adam sees that as the real or ideal version, or why he'd choose to be that over the much more physically capable but emotionally, mentally etc. identical He-Man. I get why Superman would choose to be Clark Kent, because Clark Kent is who he wants to be, because he thinks of himself as human and not an alien or protector, because he values the relationships he has as a human and so on. There's been nothing like that for Adam though. You can assume it all, and as an assumption it kind of makes sense on Earth; not so much in heaven though. I also still don't like how or why Adam leaves Preternia. As He-Ro (I think it's him, at least) says: "You have to lay down the burden eventually". Adam just decides that he's sick of people dying though, so he'll leave heaven to protect his friends. Which kind of runs against the whole theme Greyskull and Moss-Man were establishing earlier that death isn't something we should fear. As an extreme you could even take it as Adam not trusting his friends to continue without him to aid them. I know that it'd just make the show what angry fans were fearing it'd be if Adam "stepped aside" and someone, quite possibly Teela took up the Sword of Power in his place, but honestly (a) who gives a poo poo and (b) it makes more sense to me that it go that way with the setup the show was going for. Andra taking up the sword, Teela becoming the new Sorceress (or new Man-At-Arms) etc. A passing of the torch/burden. Alternatively, just don't loving kill people you intend to bring back without considering what it does to the thematics of the show, because it's kind of undercutting things a bit that you kill 5 characters during those early episodes and are all but confirming 4 of those 5 will be back to life within the season. If you're using death to establish "we're not in Kansas anymore kids; this is grown up town now", and Smith was, by his own words, because he sees Skeletor burning Moss-Man in episode one as the "turn" where it goes from the campy old show to his more adult version, then don't start resurrecting the characters you kill willy-nilly or you lose the stakes you took time to establish. tsob fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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Especially since the creators have already stated that nobody actually died in the first half (or at least Adam and Orko are still alive)
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# ? Aug 5, 2021 19:16 |
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Just saw this on the recommendation of a friend. Knowing very little about He-Man beforehand, other that it always seeming ultra-cringe, I can say this was a fantastic production. I don't really know anything about latter days Kevin Smith, but if this is the quality of work then call me impressed. The animation was one of the strongest pulls for me, as I haven't seen anything that pretty in years. pulling hard for the long con lyn
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Larryb posted:Especially since the creators have already stated that nobody actually died in the first half (or at least Adam and Orko are still alive) Well, not quite no-one. Moss-Man died, and is presumably going to stay in Preternia/Heaven. It's not a lot though, and everything else undercuts it. It won't say there's no tension in Adam being stabbed just after coming back from death, given that they did just establish that if he leaves Preternia he may never come back and will instead die as anyone else would but it'll be hard to take any further damage seriously or have any further stakes when they've already played the card twice and are obviously going to reverse it both times. tsob fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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Yeah, despite having little nostalgia for the series (I hated it as a kid) and aside from a few clips from the 80’s shows have only seen Revelation, SPoP, and He-Man 2002 (all of which I wound up liking for the most part), I was surprisingly able to follow along with this pretty well (and as mentioned the animation is gorgeous and they even managed to give Orko some depth). Speaking of, do the original 80’s He-Man and She-Ra still hold up ok? I haven’t heard a lot of good things about New Adventures either aside from maybe Skeletor
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, do the original 80’s He-Man and She-Ra still hold up ok? I haven’t heard a lot of good things about New Adventures either aside from maybe Skeletor Personally speaking while there's some camp appeal I honestly couldn't point to specific episodes I recall like I could with Transformers or G.I. Joe that made the series stand out from the animated advertisement the show was so if you go into it not expecting a whole lot you might enjoy yourself. And I hate how cynical that sounds. Although you might find yourself irritated when you realize things like they wouldn't let She-Ra brawl like He-Man did because Standards and Practices called that 'unfeminine' or whatever. I remember being excited to see the original Thundercats when it hit Toonami waaaaay back when and realizing "oh, no, this isn't very good."
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# ? Aug 5, 2021 20:40 |
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The 80s He-Man and She-Ra were so hamstrung by purity watchdogging that the *new* episodes are way more controversial by comparison. Sure, the characters were more over the top and sexualized (hence some of the really weird initial resistance to the 'kid-looking' characters), but the only "relationship" that was ever hinted at in the original is that Adora and the *original* Sea Hawk kinda-sorta had a thing. And even when I was watching She-Ra when I was five, I noticed that it was strange that Bow was surrounded by all these extremely beautiful women *all the time* and never seemed to be interested in *any* of them. There's a documentary on Netflix about the original He-Man (and like 5% about She-Ra and 5% about New Adventures) series that goes out of circulation at the end of the month. It's worth a watch. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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FWIW: GI Joe, Jem!, and The Real Ghostbusters have all held up astonishingly well. He-Man was always a bit of a clunker, I think it was aimed at a much younger audience.
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moths posted:FWIW: GI Joe, Jem!, and The Real Ghostbusters have all held up astonishingly well. He-Man was always a bit of a clunker, I think it was aimed at a much younger audience. Even as a kid I knew that Transformers was far and away a better show than He-Man in writing and animation. I've rewatched Transformers more recently and it has some good stuff along with the mediocre; not surprised He-Man hasn't held up as well.
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# ? Aug 5, 2021 21:08 |
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She-Ra's more consistently good than He-Man, but they're both extremely cheesy shows with hokey plots and often comical voice acting. I think they can be super fun, if you're willing to enjoy the campiness, but if you go into them with the mentality of like, expecting something on the storytelling level of modern serialised animation, you will leave disappointed.
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Also I’m not sure what it is about it but 80’s Adora’s voice is kind of weird to me (not sure about the series itself but in the opening she sounds half asleep most of the time). Maybe it’s just me though
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# ? Aug 5, 2021 21:41 |
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That intresting that they got Allen Oppenheimer to attempt the OG Skelator voice. I can see how it would be hard for him to do now. If you want an Oppenheimer performance in his normal voice watch the Star Trek Next Generation episode Rightful Heir, the episode with the clone of Kahless. Oppenheimer plays Koroth the cleric who comes with the ploy of cloning Klingon Jessus.
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side_burned posted:That intresting that they got Allen Oppenheimer to attempt the OG Skelator voice. I can see how it would be hard for him to do now. If you want an Oppenheimer performance in his normal voice watch the Star Trek Next Generation episode Rightful Heir, the episode with the clone of Kahless. Oppenheimer plays Koroth the cleric who comes with the ploy of cloning Klingon Jessus. He also did the voice over work for Alistair Crane on Passions with his normal booming baritone voice before they cast an actual on-camera actor to play him and he had a blast basically playing Human Skeletor on probably the worst soap opera of all time.
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# ? Aug 5, 2021 22:56 |
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About Moss-Man in the new show: The mans a plant, you know he's going to Groot himself into being again later as a little sprout.
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The Last Call posted:About Moss-Man in the new show: Yeah, going by what Kevin Smith and others involved in the show have been saying, this series seems like it's going to have a body count of exactly zero by the time it's finished, or maybe exactly one: Skeletor. But if they're talking about a second season already, then it's probably going to be zero.
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Welp, series binged. Were the black writhing many-eyed blob that merged with Light Spinner to become Shadow Weaver and the black writhing many-eyed blob that was the true form of Horde Prime which She-Ra expelled meant to be the same type of being?
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So I watched some of the commentary tracks and more of the Fatman Beyond podcast on the show and apparently Teela’s new haircut—the one that set the internet on fire—is actually a tribute to Chyler Leigh and the haircut she had for Supergirl. Apparently this was done by the character designers at Powerhouse and was a surprise to Kevin Smith when they unveiled the design.
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The new comic tie in is out and Skeletor has a hell of a origin, Keldor? Not here at all. It's entirely new. *IF* true which Lyn even calls him out on Skeletor comes from a skull based race, yes they have necks. They look like him in other words. They were enslaved by a ram like race until Skeletor rose up and had them overthrown. He then found love and had a child. Yes they all looked like death as well. The ram people later killed them in front of Skeletor to break him. It's when a horde ship lands and Hordak and crew come out, promising the power to resurrect all he lost if he served. So he did. His race became Horde troopers. In time Hordak enabled him to resurrect one and only one to shut up his complaining about them. He chose his son. He left him in the hands of the Horde as he went out in the universe to train and learn more, in time he realized he would never have his wife again so planned to over throw Hordak. Again Lyn says it's all BS and Skeletor says it is but after she leaves he holds an amulet and tells his dead wife goodnight.
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The Last Call posted:The new comic tie in is out and Skeletor has a hell of a origin, Keldor? Not here at all. It's entirely new.
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Panfilo posted:Skeletor- Dad:"I know I come off as arrogant and cold, but I have the same urges as anyone else. These primal animal cravings persisted long after your mother's passing, and to this day I yearn for the next opportunity to take pleasure in the carnal union of flesh. Your dad doesn't just have sex, son. Your dad fucks" And now the question becomes, whose voice did you read that in, Oppenheimer, Langella, or Hamill?
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nine-gear crow posted:And now the question becomes, whose voice did you read that in, Oppenheimer, Langella, or Hamill? Oppenheimer.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oppenheimer. That's the thing, it takes on wildly different connotations with each voice.
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I know Hamill says he did a different voice with Skeletor but all I heard was "throatier Joker."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I know Hamill says he did a different voice with Skeletor but all I heard was "throatier Joker." Yeah, but he's having a loving blast, so I don't really care if it is. https://twitter.com/NetflixGeeked/status/1425164292404367360
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, but he's having a loving blast, so I don't really care if it is. Oh, agreed, but I watched the OG Skeletor in my youth so I'm horrendously biased. I do kinda hope Hamill's allowed to do "Emperor Joker" eventually. I've a feeling this experience as Skeletor would come in real handy for that.
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nine-gear crow posted:And now the question becomes, whose voice did you read that in, Oppenheimer, Langella, or Hamill? Still Goofy I’m afraid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7X3Q-mTluM
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The Last Call posted:The new comic tie in is out and Skeletor has a hell of a origin, Keldor? Not here at all. It's entirely new. His line to Andra that no-one would ever have him as a man because he has a skull for a face is a bit weird if that's true.
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tsob posted:His line to Andra that no-one would ever have him as a man because he has a skull for a face is a bit weird if that's true. We'll have to wait to see how Part 2 plays out in regard to giving Skeletor any backstory or pathos, but right now I'm disinclined to believe that any of the comics count as canon towards the show and are anything more than just "here's some things that happen with these characters before the show starts".
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New pics of toys from the upcoming CGI Reboot series have been released, including our first look at Man-At-Arms: CG Adam still looks like Kristoff from Frozen to me but otherwise the redesigns so far don’t look too bad. I can’t imagine it’ll be too much longer until we get a trailer (or at least a cast list) for this now Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Larryb posted:New pics of toys from the upcoming CGI Reboot series have been released, including our first look at Man-At-Arms: So Skeletor is Reaper from Overwatch and Man-At-Arms is just male Samus? They're definitely aiming to capture an audience of modern videogame playing kids, that's for sure. E: Also it kinda looks like Man-At-Arms is the same age as or even younger than He-Man. Huh.
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I thought someone put googly eyes on Man at Arms' shoulder.
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nine-gear crow posted:So Skeletor is Reaper from Overwatch and Man-At-Arms is just male Samus? They're definitely aiming to capture an audience of modern videogame playing kids, that's for sure. From what little we see of his face I don’t see any facial hair at least
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moths posted:I thought someone put googly eyes on Man at Arms' shoulder. I CAN'T UNSEE IT
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Larryb posted:From what little we see of his face I don’t see any facial hair at least I see a big scar and what looks like they're probably grey eyebrows. I'm guessing they're going for the other take on 'grizzled military veteran' - dude's probably bald as a cueball under that helmet. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Darth Walrus posted:I see a big scar and what looks like they're probably grey eyeballs. I'm guessing they're going for the other take on 'grizzled military veteran' - dude's probably bald as a cueball under that helmet. Makes sense, from what little we know so far it seems like this series is going to be an SPoP style reboot that reimagines the characters and story (it also will apparently pay homage to every incarnation of the franchise in some fashion)
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Samus A-Man-At-Arms
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And we have our first trailer for the reboot (which drops September 16): https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZXApnj-ztIE According to someone on He-Man.org, the armored girl is supposedly a gender-flipped Ram Man. It also seems like they might just be merging Teela and the Sorceress into one character and that’s who the yellow eyed girl is (alternatively, they’re leaning hard into the fact that the Sorceress is Teela’s mom and just making her a magic user in this series as well) Also do we have a cast list for this yet? Some of the voices sound kind of familiar to me (I wanna say that’s Antony Del Rio as Man-At-Arms but I’m not sure). And some more info regarding the series staff: https://www.cbr.com/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-trailer/ Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Larryb posted:And we have our first trailer for the reboot (which drops September 16): Ram-Mam
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Twibbit posted:Ram-Mam This is the only good thing about this trailer.
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nope. I don't like that animation style.
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