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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Did you know this show is #1 this week on Anime Trending?
I TOLD Y'ALL THIS IS GOOD poo poo :slick:

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LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


In fairness, this isn't the busiest anime season.

Disconnecticus
Oct 21, 2012

Wait, like, actual money?

Kung Food posted:

Or he might have been directly involved in summoning Subaru, given that he has done a lot of meticulous pre-planning that started before Subaru even arrived.

It would be kind of an impressive hack. "This idiot kid is so dedicated to Emilia that he'll keep trying a thousand times if he has to until he randomly finds the one decent solution. Happily, I won't remember a thing about it, only that everything miraculously worked out."

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Roswaal is I think a giant loving idiot. Like if Subaru didn't essentially have to ability to time travel every decision he's made would have been actually the worst possible one.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Tabletops posted:

Roswaal is I think a giant loving idiot. Like if Subaru didn't essentially have to ability to time travel every decision he's made would have been actually the worst possible one.

Subaru pointed that out.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

LostRook posted:

In fairness, this isn't the busiest anime season.

I'm hype for when I'm a Spider so what finally comes out!

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Raenir Salazar posted:

I'm hype for when I'm a Spider so what finally comes out!

They actually announced a season for that now. Start of 2021

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



I'm trying to remember how far back (e.g.; which timeline iteration) was the scene where Rem dies in the mansion and everyone thinks Subaru was responsible. Then, due to Beako initiating a pact with Subaru to protect him, all the mansion's big guns (Ram/Roswaal/Beatrice) turn on each other.

Roswaal's whole "keikaku doori!" moment doesn't make sense if it was devised prior to the point that loop is initiated.

Maybe I wasn't reading the scene properly, but that whole interaction back in season 1 never made much sense to me.

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 9, 2020

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


That happened within the week of Subaru first arriving at the mansion.

Nitrousoxide posted:

It is pretty hosed up that he keeps shoving her back into the gauntlet over and over when she clearly can't handle it.

Futaba Anzu posted:

that's the realization he made when garfield told him about it on the carriage ride

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Yeah, he's kinda lost touch with struggling after his many painful deaths.

Late to this, but nah.

His mistake is that, because Emilia is so serious and earnest about facing challenges, and becoming queen and helping others, he hadn't considered that she doesn't actually want to face and overcome her past (which he knows nothing about).

It's essentially the difference between overcoming this trial being a personal goal to become stronger and prove herself and others she can be queen, and it being an obstacle she's emotionally unprepared and unwilling to deal with but that she feels she's expected to regardless. If it's the first then painful as it might be for her all he could do was try and ease her anxiety and cheer her on, which he did, but then Garfield presents the second scenario along with the question "if you can do it yourself, isn't it better if you do it in her place?"

But if she doesn't tell him anything, how can he know? Moreover, he's right in that simply overcoming the trials in her stead potentially hurts her chances to fulfill her goal of becoming queen. So it's something of a reverse of the situation with the announcement of the royal selection back at the capital - they might've made up, but they're still pending a good long chat about their thoughts, feelings, and boundaries.

Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Aug 9, 2020

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.




Tabletops posted:

Roswaal is I think a giant loving idiot. Like if Subaru didn't essentially have to ability to time travel every decision he's made would have been actually the worst possible one.

Alternatively if Subs didn't come along Roswaal would've done something else entirely.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy


Mindblast posted:

Alternatively if Subs
He has a nickname. It's Valse/Barusu. :colbert:

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



Wark Say posted:

He has a nickname. It's Valse/Barusu. :colbert:

Why did it take me so long to see that Barusu is an anagram of Subaru?

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

AlternateNu posted:

I'm trying to remember how far back (e.g.; which timeline iteration) was the scene where Rem dies in the mansion and everyone thinks Subaru was responsible. Then, due to Beako initiating a pact with Subaru to protect him, all the mansion's big guns (Ram/Roswaal/Beatrice) turn on each other.

Roswaal's whole "keikaku doori!" moment doesn't make sense if it was devised prior to the point that loop is initiated.

Maybe I wasn't reading the scene properly, but that whole interaction back in season 1 never made much sense to me.

Yeah it's weird. Also the implication that roswaal dies, at least it is to me. Why would he even pick a fight with a great spirit? Dudes a loving idiot

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


Tabletops posted:

Yeah it's weird. Also the implication that roswaal dies, at least it is to me. Why would he even pick a fight with a great spirit? Dudes a loving idiot

It's played for laughs but the Memory Snow OVA shows Puck and Roswaal had a full DBZ-style fight when they first encountered each other, which they both look fondly back on as having been quite "exciting".

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

AlternateNu posted:

I'm trying to remember how far back (e.g.; which timeline iteration) was the scene where Rem dies in the mansion and everyone thinks Subaru was responsible. Then, due to Beako initiating a pact with Subaru to protect him, all the mansion's big guns (Ram/Roswaal/Beatrice) turn on each other.

Roswaal's whole "keikaku doori!" moment doesn't make sense if it was devised prior to the point that loop is initiated.

Maybe I wasn't reading the scene properly, but that whole interaction back in season 1 never made much sense to me.

There's a few possibilities here, one is that Roswaal momentarily lost his cool seeing one of his Servants dead in front of him; another is he was pretending to get upset enough to force the issue in order to motivate Subaru to reset the loop. Or something else.

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Raenir Salazar posted:

There's a few possibilities here, one is that Roswaal momentarily lost his cool seeing one of his Servants dead in front of him; another is he was pretending to get upset enough to force the issue in order to motivate Subaru to reset the loop. Or something else.

Roswaal doesn't seem like someone who looses his cool over a dead servant.

I took it to mean that Roswaal and Beatrice's relation to one another is tenuous at best and not really based around any kind of mutual friendship. Beatrice was protecting a guest she had known for less than a week and who they suspected of killing Rem, and she appeared ready to use violence to keep him safe.

Also from the way Roswaal is presented throughout the series, both in dialog and just body language/actions I had assumed he was extremely powerful, on the same footing as Beatrice and Puck. He certainly behaves and is treated as if that is the case.

MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Aug 10, 2020

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

MagicBoots posted:

Roswaal doesn't seem like someone who looses his cool over a dead servant.

I took it to mean that Roswaal and Beatrice's relation to one another is tenuous at best and not really based around any kind of mutual friendship. Beatrice was protecting a guest she had known for less than a week and who they suspected of killing Rem, and she appeared ready to use violence to keep him safe.

Also from the way Roswaal is presented throughout the series, both in dialog and just body language/actions I had assumed he was extremely powerful, on the same footing as Beatrice and Puck. He certainly behaves and is treated as if that is the case.

Beatrice being ready to throw down over someone she's known a week and doesn't really like is more a function of just how seriously pacts are taken by some in this world. She couldn't care less about Subaru's well being but a pact it a pact, even one you made halfheartedly to get a pest to leave you alone.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Is it really the case that Beatrice doesn't like Subaru? I get the feeling Subaru wouldn't have such a knack for finding her if she didn't on some level like the attention? Lots of people like it when you check in on them and say hi but quickly have their "social energy" expended and shoo you out.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


Kung Food posted:

Beatrice being ready to throw down over someone she's known a week and doesn't really like is more a function of just how seriously pacts are taken by some in this world. She couldn't care less about Subaru's well being but a pact it a pact, even one you made halfheartedly to get a pest to leave you alone.

While all that is true, it's been implicit that Beatrice is actually a caring person, and her misanthropy is an effort to keep others away so she doesn't become attached.

She's got very conflicting feelings about Subaru as a result of his constant efforts to reach out to her.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Raenir Salazar posted:

Is it really the case that Beatrice doesn't like Subaru? I get the feeling Subaru wouldn't have such a knack for finding her if she didn't on some level like the attention? Lots of people like it when you check in on them and say hi but quickly have their "social energy" expended and shoo you out.

she probably has a soft spot for him. I think it was stated in one of the more recent episodes that he is one of only a very few people who can reliably get her door to show up.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Raenir Salazar posted:

Is it really the case that Beatrice doesn't like Subaru? I get the feeling Subaru wouldn't have such a knack for finding her if she didn't on some level like the attention? Lots of people like it when you check in on them and say hi but quickly have their "social energy" expended and shoo you out.
She has warmed up to him now but keep in mind when he made that pact in that timeline he was still new and on everyone's nerves.

Nitrousoxide posted:

she probably has a soft spot for him. I think it was stated in one of the more recent episodes that he is one of only a very few people who can reliably get her door to show up.
I might be misremembering, but the door is always at a random location hidden among the hundreds in Roswaal's massive estate, so finding it consistently should be statistically impossible. I always took finding her room at will to be a weird luck ability innate to Subaru, akin to Kazuma for KonoSuba always being able to take panties with his steal skill.

Kung Food fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Aug 10, 2020

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Makes you think then when Subaru couldn't find her anymore after upsetting her; which either implies she was letting him find her or Subaru is subconsciously refusing to let himself face her again until he made good to her.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

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Raenir Salazar posted:

There's a few possibilities here, one is that Roswaal momentarily lost his cool seeing one of his Servants dead in front of him; another is he was pretending to get upset enough to force the issue in order to motivate Subaru to reset the loop. Or something else.

Did Roswaal actually attack Subaru there? I feel like I only remember Ram really going after him.

edit: I looked up the episode, and he says he's a little angry and then I think it's implied that he fired a single attack at Beatrice or something, but that's it; he doesn't pursue and Beatrice obviously isn't killed by him.

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 11, 2020

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...




Raenir Salazar posted:

Is it really the case that Beatrice doesn't like Subaru? I get the feeling Subaru wouldn't have such a knack for finding her if she didn't on some level like the attention? Lots of people like it when you check in on them and say hi but quickly have their "social energy" expended and shoo you out.

Subaru has a weird affinity to Spirits. That's why Puck messes around with him so much and that red minor spirit messed him up a little when purple-hair gave it to him..

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Episode 6 is out!

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Grouchio posted:

Episode 6 is out!

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Yep, this is definitely Re Zero. gently caress being Subaru.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination



lol, I wanted to post nice avatar post combo too.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Being Subaru is suffering.

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Yep, this is definitely Re Zero. gently caress being Subaru.

Things were going too well!

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


We are hitting peak intrigue fairly early on so that's good.

Jon Joe
Oct 19, 2011

GUESS WHO'S LYING


Grimey Drawer

This is just too good. The episodes are flying by. I need the next episode.

thechosenone
Mar 20, 2009


Yeah, not giving Subaru any specifically strong powers, requiring him to basically have to make do with the abilities of his friends allows them to really keep the tension going without having to constantly increase the power levels. More like jojo in that sense, with it feeling like both sides have to be careful to not get gibbed.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





thechosenone posted:

Yeah, not giving Subaru any specifically strong powers, requiring him to basically have to make do with the abilities of his friends allows them to really keep the tension going without having to constantly increase the power levels. More like jojo in that sense, with it feeling like both sides have to be careful to not get gibbed.

Except that Subaru wants to get gibbed occasionally to stop horrible things from happening from his friends, or at least give him the opportunity to prevent them from happening.

thechosenone
Mar 20, 2009


Nitrousoxide posted:

Except that Subaru wants to get gibbed occasionally to stop horrible things from happening from his friends, or at least give him the opportunity to prevent them from happening.

well yes, but that is kinda his thing. and as we saw here, he tries to do what he can to make things count each time.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


I enjoyed Ram and Frederica being sparring partners in banter, and the episode also confirmed my suspicions from last time that Ram definitely has... SOME kind of vestigial recollection (her face when Subaru mentioned Rem during the argument with Roswaal was not the face of someone who wasn't affected at all). Interesting implications on the absolute limits of Gluttony's power.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Hogama posted:

I enjoyed Ram and Frederica being sparring partners in banter, and the episode also confirmed my suspicions from last time that Ram definitely has... SOME kind of vestigial recollection (her face when Subaru mentioned Rem during the argument with Roswaal was not the face of someone who wasn't affected at all). Interesting implications on the absolute limits of Gluttony's power.

Well it is a name that sounds a lot like hers. But Ram herself said that looking at Rem's body all she could feel was a blank, despite being able to clearly feel they were related.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


MonsterEnvy posted:

Well it is a name that sounds a lot like hers. But Ram herself said that looking at Rem's body all she could feel was a blank, despite being able to clearly feel they were related.
She said herself seemed to recall being tossed before Subaru even mentioned Rem this loop, but there's absolutely no context where he'd be allowed to do that except the specific case with her sister, and with Rem being written out of her memories, it's got to be hella confusing to try and rectify that thought.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Hogama posted:

She said herself seemed to recall being tossed before Subaru even mentioned Rem this loop, but there's absolutely no context where he'd be allowed to do that except the specific case with her sister, and with Rem being written out of her memories, it's got to be hella confusing to try and rectify that thought.

It's why she was confused when he mentioned tossing her. Because it's probably makes very little sense in her memory.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



It could be that Return by Death is having side effects like people remembering previous loops? If so why now? Why Ram instead of anyone else Subaru has been involved with?

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Annointed posted:

It could be that Return by Death is having side effects like people remembering previous loops? If so why now? Why Ram instead of anyone else Subaru has been involved with?

Don't think so. Ram's memory there was of the loop they went through.

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