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Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

So since the witch of envy killed and kind of assumed the powers of all the other witches, is it much of a stretch to assume that maybe they are imperfect replications?

Like maybe the gospel is based on this book that Beatrice has, but Beatrices is the original? The gospel is an imperfect replication and does not tell the future. I guess it would work some other way. Maybe the witch of envy writes it herself.

Anyway, perhaps the book Beatrice has is echidnas and that's her creation and thus the gospel is (part?) Of what envy stole from her.

Just spit balling

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Maxwell Adams
Oct 21, 2000

T E E F S

Here are some things that I'm putting together:

Echidna saw Earth in Subaru's memories, didn't seem surprised by it.
You need to be mixed blood to take the trial, but the barrier only holds you back if you're half-blood.
Subaru can take the trial, but he isn't held back by the barrier.
When Subaru was taking the trial, the vision of his mother said something like, "You're only half your father, so you only need to be half as cool as him. The rest of you can just be Subaru".
Subaru had his gate sealed off when he was very young, and always had natural spellcasting abilities.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Maxwell Adams posted:

Here are some things that I'm putting together:

Echidna saw Earth in Subaru's memories, didn't seem surprised by it.
You need to be mixed blood to take the trial, but the barrier only holds you back if you're half-blood.
Subaru can take the trial, but he isn't held back by the barrier.
When Subaru was taking the trial, the vision of his mother said something like, "You're only half your father, so you only need to be half as cool as him. The rest of you can just be Subaru".
Subaru had his gate sealed off when he was very young, and always had natural spellcasting abilities.

I will legit get mad if they pull a "sins-of-the-father/decendant-from-a-special-bloodline" bullshit with Subaru using his mom as the vector.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



Maxwell Adams posted:

Here are some things that I'm putting together:

Echidna saw Earth in Subaru's memories, didn't seem surprised by it.
You need to be mixed blood to take the trial, but the barrier only holds you back if you're half-blood.
Subaru can take the trial, but he isn't held back by the barrier.
When Subaru was taking the trial, the vision of his mother said something like, "You're only half your father, so you only need to be half as cool as him. The rest of you can just be Subaru".
Subaru had his gate sealed off when he was very young, and always had natural spellcasting abilities.
Doesn't Echidna explicitly tell Subaru "here's a magical spell so you can take the trial" during their first meeting?

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I imagine that he can take the trials because he drank her bodily fluids.

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Elephant Parade posted:

Doesn't Echidna explicitly tell Subaru "here's a magical spell so you can take the trial" during their first meeting?

Ya, she gives him explicit permission to take the tests during their first meeting as a parting gift.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

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Maxwell Adams posted:

When Subaru was taking the trial, the vision of his mother said something like, "You're only half your father, so you only need to be half as cool as him. The rest of you can just be Subaru".

What is strange about this? It just seems like the "half your father" part is just referring to his father being one of his two parents (the other half being his mother).

Maxwell Adams posted:

Subaru had his gate sealed off when he was very young, and always had natural spellcasting abilities.

I'm under the impression that being able to cast some level of magic is pretty common in this setting and Subaru's level is likely the level many random people have (that is only barely useful and strains him even at that barely useful level).

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Ytlaya posted:

I'm under the impression that being able to cast some level of magic is pretty common in this setting and Subaru's level is likely the level many random people have (that is only barely useful and strains him even at that barely useful level).

The only thing people around him seemed surprised by was that he can use shadow magic, which they state is rare. But his actually ability amounts to being an ambulatory smoke bomb.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


Julius did point out he's unusually compatible with spirits, and when Betelgeuse (who was a spirit) possessed him he seemed overjoyed about having a body that suited him so well.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Well, judging from the PV, next episode is certainly going to be interesting.

Is it Wednesday yet?

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007





The gently caress?

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.




Maxwell Adams posted:

Here are some things that I'm putting together:

Echidna saw Earth in Subaru's memories, didn't seem surprised by it.
You need to be mixed blood to take the trial, but the barrier only holds you back if you're half-blood.
Subaru can take the trial, but he isn't held back by the barrier.
When Subaru was taking the trial, the vision of his mother said something like, "You're only half your father, so you only need to be half as cool as him. The rest of you can just be Subaru".
Subaru had his gate sealed off when he was very young, and always had natural spellcasting abilities.

Idk man you're kinda off. He was given permission to enter the trials and its impossible to be 100% your dad unless subaru somehow was spawned through asexual reproduction. Like a germ! :buddy:

Thing I'm more curious about is Ros proclaiming to be Subaru's ally. It can easily be a technically correct answer.

"Yes Im your ally. Because we're both from the cult oooOOoO :ghost:"

AnoHito
May 8, 2014



Kingnothing posted:

The gently caress?


Yeah, I can't believe this is a cursed world without pizza, and Subaru focused on making mayo instead LIKE A SCRUB.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

AnoHito posted:

Yeah, I can't believe this is a cursed world without pizza, and Subaru focused on making mayo instead LIKE A SCRUB.

I like the idea of how just like how that Flugel in No Game No Life was obsessed with learning things from the world they came from, Echidna is likewise super interested/addicted to learning about conveniences from Subaru's world.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



AnoHito posted:

Yeah, I can't believe this is a cursed world without pizza, and Subaru focused on making mayo instead LIKE A SCRUB.

Pizza is only yet another mayo delivery system in Japan.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



There's only one food that I believe Subaru truly loves, and that's He Wei Dao noodles.

Anything else isn't canon.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010



so judging from the silhouettes shown earlier in the season, the little girl is typhon, the chick in the coffin is....daphne, i think? and the explosion girl is minerva?

leaving camilla, sekhmet, and satella as the remaining no-shows?

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013



Grimey Drawer

A big flaming stink posted:

so judging from the silhouettes shown earlier in the season, the little girl is typhon, the chick in the coffin is....daphne, i think? and the explosion girl is minerva?

leaving camilla, sekhmet, and satella as the remaining no-shows?

We have technically already seen Satella at the end of season 1.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

I ran crying to the mods because someone bought me a title with naughty words in it. (twice!)
I am the world's softest bitch and you you should remind me of it forever. If this text is gone it's because I couldn't handle being a fucking loser.


Smellrose

A big flaming stink posted:

so judging from the silhouettes shown earlier in the season, the little girl is typhon, the chick in the coffin is....daphne, i think? and the explosion girl is minerva?

leaving camilla, sekhmet, and satella as the remaining no-shows?

When you said explosion girl I was hoping against hope it'd be Megumin.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

When you said explosion girl I was hoping against hope it'd be Megumin.
Emilia is Megumin, there's a joke about it in one of the first season PVs. (That is, Rie Takahashi voices both.)

Maxwell Adams
Oct 21, 2000

T E E F S

I did it, I resisted the clarion call of light novels for another week.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Even if you don't want to reread stuff or read ahead, I think it's worth it to read the side story books. The first one gives the backstory of Felis and Crusch. The second one is about Wilhelm's past during the civil war and actually has a number of connections to the current arc.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

What the heck is going on and why is everything suddenly different again.

e:

AAAAAAAGH THAT POST CREDITS SCENE AAAAAAAAHJ!!

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



feels like by the end of this season every single character will be revealed to be a witch cultist, including pastrache. theres going to have a shot of him holding the pages open with his talon or some poo poo

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



Everyone’s in on it. Even the viewers

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

I ran crying to the mods because someone bought me a title with naughty words in it. (twice!)
I am the world's softest bitch and you you should remind me of it forever. If this text is gone it's because I couldn't handle being a fucking loser.


Smellrose

Satella is a really high maintenance lover isn't she?

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.


It just keeps getting better. I don't know what witchcraft they're using but it's so good.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




Kingnothing posted:

The gently caress?

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008




uh

Disconnecticus
Oct 21, 2012

Wait, like, actual money?

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Satella is a really high maintenance lover isn't she?

I just kept expecting her to slap Echidna's poo poo.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



I'm glad to see that not all the other witches were blameless good guys unfairly villainised by history. Grey-goo-bunny witch was probably more of a threat than whatever Satella did.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




Dzhay posted:

I'm glad to see that not all the other witches were blameless good guys unfairly villainised by history. Grey-goo-bunny witch was probably more of a threat than whatever Satella did.

I have a feeling none of the witches are blameless good guys. Especially echidna. There’s so pretty clear red flags that show she’s not to be trusted at all. Especially her last words to baru and that face she made at the end.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Minerva did nothing wrong

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


pure speculation:

but

Emilia has to be the actual witch of envy, satella doesn't she? GOD. Satella's unconditional love can only be explained by natuski subaru's seemingly unconditional love and skill at saving Emilia and it's the kind of thing that totally re-contextualizes their first meeting in the first death where she tells him her name is Satella. Its a causality loop and we know its possible because return by death exists. :tinfoil:

Also lol! The after credits is kind of foreshadowed by him not caring about the tome of truths being a better witch grimoire but also being weird about everything and supporting a half elf that looks like Satella but I wonder what his justifications are and how this will effect his relationship with RAM and REM in the future.

Disconnecticus
Oct 21, 2012

Wait, like, actual money?

Toalpaz posted:

pure speculation:

That's still my operating hypothesis. I like the idea that the show told us the truth within the first few minutes of the first episode.


doomisland
Oct 5, 2004



subaru the simp

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Toalpaz posted:

pure speculation:

but

Emilia has to be the actual witch of envy, satella doesn't she? GOD. Satella's unconditional love can only be explained by natuski subaru's seemingly unconditional love and skill at saving Emilia and it's the kind of thing that totally re-contextualizes their first meeting in the first death where she tells him her name is Satella. Its a causality loop and we know its possible because return by death exists. :tinfoil:

Also lol! The after credits is kind of foreshadowed by him not caring about the tome of truths being a better witch grimoire but also being weird about everything and supporting a half elf that looks like Satella but I wonder what his justifications are and how this will effect his relationship with RAM and REM in the future.

We saw Emilia get killed by the witch of Envy. The Witch Cultists led by Betelguese expressed interest in using her as a vessel for the Witch. So I don't think they are the same being

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


doomisland posted:

subaru the simp

:emptyquote:

MonsterEnvy posted:

We saw Emilia get killed by the witch of Envy. The Witch Cultists led by Betelguese expressed interest in using her as a vessel for the Witch. So I don't think they are the same being

The characters are all flawed and exist with imperfect knowledge of the witch, so there's still wiggleroom I think.

booksnake
May 4, 2009

we who are crowned with the crest of wisdom

Nitrousoxide posted:

Minerva did nothing wrong

:discourse:

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Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

Minerva a strong contender for best witch

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