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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Hogama posted:

Maaaaaan. That doesn't feel like a stopping point for a split cour at all!
Where were you when Ottoto-san punched the daylights out of the first cour? :allears:

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Fat and Useless
Sep 3, 2011

Not Thin and Useful




So Subaru is Satella's Emilia. Very cute RE:Zero.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011



I appreciate Subaru having the revelation that he should care about himself and not think that he should bear all the suffering in the world on his shoulders and then immediately caving on that as soon as Roswaal pushes back on that a little.

Also for real Subaru you really need to be more inquisitive about things. If you asked those witches somethings about why things in the world are the way they are I'm sure that knowledge would have helped you in the future.

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.




His capacity to not ask the important questions while standing in front of massive libraries of knowledge is without peer. I'm sure it makes sense in-universe, but the point stands.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



Who do I have to write an angry letter to so the second cour comes out early? This wait is going to be more painful than that punch.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Raxivace posted:

Who do I have to write an angry letter to so the second cour comes out early? This wait is going to be more painful than that punch.
*Laughs in 4 year inter-season gap*

thechosenone
Mar 20, 2009


I think that the testament Roswald has might not be any more special than the others , beyond the fact that his hasn't become inacurrate yet, so he can try to force subaru to do what the book says will happen because it shows a future he wants. if subaru gets a checkpoint after rendering his testament false, Roswald will have no recourse but to just pressure subaru into bringing about a future that is 'good enough' for him to tolerate.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


thechosenone posted:

I think that the testament Roswald has might not be any more special than the others , beyond the fact that his hasn't become inacurrate yet, so he can try to force subaru to do what the book says will happen because it shows a future he wants. if subaru gets a checkpoint after rendering his testament false, Roswald will have no recourse but to just pressure subaru into bringing about a future that is 'good enough' for him to tolerate.

The only difference between his and the normal witch cultists, seems to be that his talks about Subaru while the others don't.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

I feel a bit like the character exploration stuff that can be read as thematic and the actual nuts-and-bolts plot stuff of this show don't always mesh together in a way that makes a lot of sense

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Since apparently all of Subaru's acquaintances are witch cultists, does that make Otto a cultist of some sort. I was really getting a Minerva cultist feel toward the end there.?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

Since apparently all of Subaru's acquaintances are witch cultists, does that make Otto a cultist of some sort. I was really getting a Minerva cultist feel toward the end there.?

Holy poo poo.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




Nitrousoxide posted:

Since apparently all of Subaru's acquaintances are witch cultists, does that make Otto a cultist of some sort. I was really getting a Minerva cultist feel toward the end there.?

He does seem to be more than he appears after that.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



Nitrousoxide posted:

Since apparently all of Subaru's acquaintances are witch cultists, does that make Otto a cultist of some sort. I was really getting a Minerva cultist feel toward the end there.?

Oh nooo Petra is a cultist?! But for whom?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Annointed posted:

Oh nooo Petra is a cultist?! But for whom?

Sekmet obviously. She follows Hbomberguy on twitter.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone







She just wanted to show him de wae to the queen.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

thechosenone
Mar 20, 2009


I'd call that unfair, but probations under 24 hours are almost more like a sort of in-joke. I'm sure they are useful if you need someone to not post in a certain state of mind or at a certain time.

Edit: I'll also note that I don't get the joke at all.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Nitrousoxide posted:



She just wanted to show him de wae to the queen.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
Shut up nitrous.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

HppyCmpr
May 8, 2011


thechosenone posted:

I'd call that unfair, but probations under 24 hours are almost more like a sort of in-joke. I'm sure they are useful if you need someone to not post in a certain state of mind or at a certain time.

Edit: I'll also note that I don't get the joke at all.

It's just a low effort reference of a really crappy meme. It's not worth getting, you're not missing out.
He deserved a probate for it. :colbert:

That was quite a way to finish before the break, January can't come any sooner.
I didn't really understand the significane of Roswall removing his make up mid conversation with Subaru.

HppyCmpr fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 1, 2020

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

HppyCmpr posted:

It's just a low effort reference of a really crappy meme. It's not worth getting, you're not missing out.
He deserved a probate for it. :colbert:

That was quite a way to finish before the break, January can't come any sooner.
I didn't really understand the significane of Roswall removing his make up mid conversation with Subaru.

Yeah I didn't get it either, I thought he was wiping away his injuries or something but if it was his make up I wonder the significance.

I feel like this interaction reinforces my Wild Mass Guessing crackpot theory that Roswaal is Future Subaru or Ultra Past Subaru.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



HppyCmpr posted:

I didn't really understand the significane of Roswall removing his make up mid conversation with Subaru.

I just took him as him dropping the mask, both figuratively and literally (hence no more make-up). He also stops talking in his silly, exaggerated way and talks completely normally (for a completely insane man) at that point. Subaru has disappointed him, and he has no reason to play the fool anymore, so he shows his true colours as he never does normally.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Kingnothing posted:

He does seem to be more than he appears after that.

Well we did learn that he can talk to animals by the fact he just had a conversation with Patrasche about her desire for best girl status.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand], I require only that you [kneel]


Didn't he tell us that during Otto's Wild Ride (the final Betelgeuse fight) in season 1?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Zetsubou-san posted:

Didn't he tell us that during Otto's Wild Ride (the final Betelgeuse fight) in season 1?

Yah, but its still funny to think that everyone who Subaru meets is some flavour of cultist.

HppyCmpr
May 8, 2011


Blaze Dragon posted:

I just took him as him dropping the mask, both figuratively and literally (hence no more make-up). He also stops talking in his silly, exaggerated way and talks completely normally (for a completely insane man) at that point. Subaru has disappointed him, and he has no reason to play the fool anymore, so he shows his true colours as he never does normally.

That makes a lot of sense, his speech did seem a lot more direct after the fact. It also lined up with the reveal in the conversation.

I'm curious as to what kind of hope Ram offers too; guess we will find out in January. :bang:

HppyCmpr fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Oct 1, 2020

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


Kung Food posted:

Well we did learn that he can talk to animals by the fact he just had a conversation with Patrasche about her desire for best girl status.

Otto is a Disney Princess and friend to all the woodland creatures.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



Conspiratiorist posted:

Otto is a Disney Princess and friend to all the woodland creatures.

Otto in a disney poster when

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG


I wonder if Subaru telling Patrashe that she's the first to confess to him is a joke or foreshadowing that he also forgot about Rem :mmmhmm:

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


I have realized that Echinda actually represents all the readers who complain that Subaru isn't doing the "rational" thing by constantly killing himself to obtain minor advantages.

I have to assume that they're out there, I know how this works.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



It seems Subaru was even more messed up by the last couple of events than I'd expected. I don't think end-of-season-1 Subaru would have had trouble believing his friends liked him.

Clarste posted:

I have realized that Echinda actually represents all the readers who complain that Subaru isn't doing the "rational" thing by constantly killing himself to obtain minor advantages.

I have to assume that they're out there, I know how this works.

Trust me, they are.

But I still would have liked some more answers out of Satella, whom I'm starting to suspect might not be all that evil after all. (And what did Minerva do to be included in Subaru's "you're all crazy" comments?)

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...




Dzhay posted:


(And what did Minerva do to be included in Subaru's "you're all crazy" comments?)

She's basically Crazy Diamond in girl form.

doomisland
Oct 5, 2004



who are the witches anyways

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Dzhay posted:

But I still would have liked some more answers out of Satella, whom I'm starting to suspect might not be all that evil after all. (And what did Minerva do to be included in Subaru's "you're all crazy" comments?)
There was a major thing that was left out of the LN in this episode.

:siren: LN Spoilers be warned: Satella has two personalities (the original Satella who lived 400 years ago and yandere Witch of Envy) and this is made clear to Subaru. When Satella got ahold of the Envy Witch factor back then it drove her insane and killed all other witches, etc. I presume this was left out as it would only tie in to later arcs not yet written.

Grouchio fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 1, 2020

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



Grouchio posted:

There was a major thing that was left out of the LN in this episode.

Maybe they rearranged it for the show?
Not really appropriate to post this, since it seems a major mystery.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Lurking Haro posted:

Maybe they rearranged it for the show?
Not really appropriate to post this, since it seems a major mystery.
I was greenlit by Wark to reveal this.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





So which light novel picks up with where we ended here?

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy


Grouchio posted:

I was greenlit by Wark to reveal this.
Yes. I'm still not 100% certain that such a detail will get skipped and I still sorta think it might make it into the second half, but I at least appreciate that you decided to spoiler-tag it and present the warning. I still haven't read the novels myself, but I think that, once the 2nd cour of this season finishes airing, I'm gonna stop dithering and just take the plunge.

Nitrousoxide posted:

So which light novel picks up with where we ended here?
From what I've been told by a co-worker, the novel that just got officially translated back in July is the stopping point (volume 13, I think?)

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Nitrousoxide posted:

So which light novel picks up with where we ended here?
Episode 13 ends on the second chapter of volume 13. The rest of 13, 14 and 15 will be covered in the second cour.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!


The anime is cutting a bunch of foreshadowing scenes, though, so it'd be a bit of a waste (and possibly confusing) if you jump into the middle of the LN series.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy


darkgray posted:

The anime is cutting a bunch of foreshadowing scenes, though, so it'd be a bit of a waste (and possibly confusing) if you jump into the middle of the LN series.
Oh, most definitely. They adapted like 8 or 9 novels into 26 episodes for the 1st season. Even the best writer's room had to go "gently caress it, [x] and [y] ain't leaving the cutting room's floor"

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A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010


i started reading the WN of this arc and drat, they leave alot of the plot on the cutting room floor

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