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ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012



i was really hyped to love this episode and i kinda didn't care for it tbh. garfield's backstory is compelling but i don't really understand how it connects to his current actions nor do i understand his reasoning. also they really could've had an episode or two before the second story of garfield's mom, some distance between those beats would've really made it hit harder.

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Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.


ninjewtsu posted:

i was really hyped to love this episode and i kinda didn't care for it tbh. garfield's backstory is compelling but i don't really understand how it connects to his current actions nor do i understand his reasoning. also they really could've had an episode or two before the second story of garfield's mom, some distance between those beats would've really made it hit harder.

this is one of the places where how dense the web novel is with internal monologues and flashbacks doesn't really translate well to animation. this stuff isn't supposed to be obsure, if anything the WN is sometimes downright amateurish in terms of telling you directly why the characters are motivated to do or not do X

it's further complicated by some really weird decisions to retcon or rearrange events in the anime that i don't want to get into for spoiler reasons but should be clear by the end of the arc

Overlord K
Jun 14, 2009


As someone who was die hard all aboard the Rem train since early on in this series and never really cared for Emilia at all... this season has been really turning me around on her. This and the last episode especially helped that a lot. I'm looking forward to next week since I'm sure it'll help push that even more.

Sazabi
Feb 15, 2014

A-MA-ZON!!

Was it just me or did the crystal Subaru use to de-tiger young Gar talk and sound like Puck. And does that make him the new contract holder?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

I was wondering what that was about.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




Sazabi posted:

Was it just me or did the crystal Subaru use to de-tiger young Gar talk and sound like Puck. And does that make him the new contract holder?

wasnt that the crystal garf’s sister gave him?

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Honestly this episode kinda pulled a lot of stuff out of its rear end.

Subaru suddenly has a bunch of extra magical powers too now that he needs to beat someone who tore dozens of little magical elf girls and even RAM to shreds in a previous life.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

Honestly this episode kinda pulled a lot of stuff out of its rear end.

Subaru suddenly has a bunch of extra magical powers too now that he needs to beat someone who tore dozens of little magical elf girls and even RAM to shreds in a previous life.

This has actually been heavily foreshadowed although admittedly I wish there was more build up to Subaru figuring it out.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


It also came at the price of Subaru destroying his gate and thus being unable to use magic again.

Subaru didn't even win the fight, he only got a couple blows in on an already beaten down Garfiel. Patrasche is the one that came out on top.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG


Sazabi posted:

Was it just me or did the crystal Subaru use to de-tiger young Gar talk and sound like Puck. And does that make him the new contract holder?

It looked like Puck's broken the contract with Emilia and transitioned to another crystal to help Subaru but because they didn't explain it in any way I'm not actually sure

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Happy birthday Echidna! (1/24)









(Disclaimer: Fanart includes bits from alternate non-canon timelines and not from future spoilers)

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Found a treasure trove of Re:Zero Radio commentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adcwJSx3SIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xomFij-8Szc

Grouchio fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 24, 2021

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Apparently Kadokawa is being dicks and DMCA'ing the Break Time translations. The translator is posting them to google drive, but I'm not sure if linking that is getting into :filez: territory.

Donnerberg
Dec 15, 2008



Hell Gem

Did Crunchyroll just collapse under the weight of the next episode? I thought only the viewerbase of AOT managed to do that to the site.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Donnerberg posted:

Did Crunchyroll just collapse under the weight of the next episode? I thought only the viewerbase of AOT managed to do that to the site.

I can't even find it on the site. When it is not crashed.

Donnerberg
Dec 15, 2008



Hell Gem

MonsterEnvy posted:

I can't even find it on the site. When it is not crashed.

I had the same issue, but can see it as of this moment.

Here's the direct link: https://www.crunchyroll.com/rezero-starting-life-in-another-world-/episode-42-a-journey-through-memories-801489

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


LostRook posted:

Apparently Kadokawa is being dicks and DMCA'ing the Break Time translations. The translator is posting them to google drive, but I'm not sure if linking that is getting into :filez: territory.
I would like to know too. Apparently this week's breaktime is extremely good.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

I was not prepared for today's episode.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



Petelgeuse didn't age gracefully and all this new plot!

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.




Good episode with all sorts of things to wonder about. Interesting comments regarding mean looking eyes. Feel like that couldn't have been brought up for no reason.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011



Lurking Haro posted:

Petelgeuse didn't age gracefully and all this new plot!

I think that is the real lesson here: Witch magic, not even once.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



Man Betelgeuse you used to be hot man.

and oh poo poo Regulus looks entirely unchanged.

Annointed fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 28, 2021

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Ethiser posted:

I think that is the real lesson here: Witch magic, not even once.

I'm a little confused about him now, actually. He was dressing the same as he does now and being addressed as "Archbishop," so presumably he was already a cultist, but he was less crazy back then, or at least he still bothered to hide how crazy he was. Or was he actually an Echidna cultist or something back then (hence Beatrice knowing him) and switched to worshipping Satella after he went crazy for some reason? Also, he was actually very old already at that point (he claimed that Fortuna was much younger that him, despite her being an adult elf, who age more slowly that humans in most fantasy settings), but he somehow seems to have aged rapidly over the next decade or two. Presumably it was witch magic keeping him young in the first place, since he appears to be human, so what changed? Does he just stay young by body-hopping when people try to kill him, and his body's aging is actually accelerated? And was he just providing the elves with supplies and helping them "protect" Emilia so that Satella could possess Emilia later, and was just deceiving Fortuna and the other elves about his true motives, or did he actually have good intentions at that point?

I'm not sure how much of this was already explained at some point and I've just forgotten and how much is actually supposed to be a mystery. I think we were told something important about Emilia's parents in the Frozen Bond OVA that's relevant to all this, but I can't remember what it was.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

When Grouchio is off their probe they have some info from the authors episode commentary to provide some clarification about this episodes events.

I think one thing to consider is to remember the Geuse said directly in the episode that he lives a very long time, to the point that the hundreds of years old elf auntie he views as a child. I think it's being strongly hinted these events took place a long time ago.

Speculation: I think Geuss's apparent aging is probably due to whatever drove him mad. I don't think he hid anything or actually has any kind of nefarious intent, I think whatever momentous events are occurring eventually broke him and the prophecy or whatever it is written in the gospel became his refuge and his sanity slipped away.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Raenir Salazar posted:

When Grouchio is off their probe they have some info from the authors episode commentary to provide some clarification about this episodes events.

I think one thing to consider is to remember the Geuse said directly in the episode that he lives a very long time, to the point that the hundreds of years old elf auntie he views as a child. I think it's being strongly hinted these events took place a long time ago.[/spoiler]

I recall Emilia stating that she was frozen for a Century.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Raenir Salazar posted:

When Grouchio is off their probe they have some info from the authors episode commentary to provide some clarification about this episodes events.

I think one thing to consider is to remember the Geuse said directly in the episode that he lives a very long time, to the point that the hundreds of years old elf auntie he views as a child. I think it's being strongly hinted these events took place a long time ago.

Speculation: I think Geuss's apparent aging is probably due to whatever drove him mad. I don't think he hid anything or actually has any kind of nefarious intent, I think whatever momentous events are occurring eventually broke him and the prophecy or whatever it is written in the gospel became his refuge and his sanity slipped away.

My speculation His aging might just be normal aging. We know he can body hop, and that ability isn't related to his sloth authority. Maybe the young Geuse we see here isn't his original body, and his long life is from continued body hoping and not having a single long lasting lifespan. It could also be the present day geezer Geuse is a different body from past Geuse, one he has been in long enough to change his hair to better fit his past body.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Here are the author's comments on this week's episode, as promised.
(Light spoilers from said episode, of course!)

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtgX0SR7Xhc
:3:

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Finished the game. It's alright. Don't buy it.

It took approximately 10 hours to 100% so def not worth it per dollar.

If you're still interested you don't really need to worry about spoilers too much. It's an alternate version of the 3rd arc so while there is some stuff that got dropped from the anime there is only one oblique spoiler that comes from the side story books. It's a single throw away line and doesn't really explain anything so you might be fine to play it anyway if you're really interested in what is essentially a 10 hour what if story.

User0015
Nov 24, 2007

Please don't talk about your sexuality unless it serves the ~narrative~!

I might be the only one, but I didn't understand anything about this episode. I think I've completely lost the plot on this show. Geuse appearing normal, then acting the way he does when he sees emilia doesn't make sense to me. I have no idea what the seal is. I don't know what subaru's gate magic thing is, what happened to it or why he has ghost hands now. I don't know why puck is playing hide and seek. In the last moments of the episode, somebody who I do not recognize at all shows up and talks how every shounen antagonist talks before a fight, but apparently I'm supposed to know who that is and I don't.

I'm watching this show in the same way somebody can finish a book, then fail to recall a single thing they read.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



User0015 posted:

I might be the only one, but I didn't understand anything about this episode. I think I've completely lost the plot on this show. Geuse appearing normal, then acting the way he does when he sees emilia doesn't make sense to me. I have no idea what the seal is. I don't know what subaru's gate magic thing is, what happened to it or why he has ghost hands now. I don't know why puck is playing hide and seek. In the last moments of the episode, somebody who I do not recognize at all shows up and talks how every shounen antagonist talks before a fight, but apparently I'm supposed to know who that is and I don't.

I'm watching this show in the same way somebody can finish a book, then fail to recall a single thing they read.

It's pretty obvious that they're still explaining the whole backstory surrounding Geuse's relationship with Emilia and her elf clan.

For everything else, you should probably just go back and rewatch the first season + the first episode of season two. The rest of it isn't new, you just have probably forgotten all of it.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



User0015 posted:

I might be the only one, but I didn't understand anything about this episode. I think I've completely lost the plot on this show. Geuse appearing normal, then acting the way he does when he sees emilia doesn't make sense to me. I have no idea what the seal is. I don't know what subaru's gate magic thing is, what happened to it or why he has ghost hands now. I don't know why puck is playing hide and seek. In the last moments of the episode, somebody who I do not recognize at all shows up and talks how every shounen antagonist talks before a fight, but apparently I'm supposed to know who that is and I don't.

I'm watching this show in the same way somebody can finish a book, then fail to recall a single thing they read.

Subaru broke his gate by using Shamak when it wasn't recovered yet, you might recognize the ghost hand from Petelgeuse and the guy at the end of the episode is the Archbishop of Greed, one of the guys who attacked Rem at the beginning of Season 2.

Most should be explained next episode. There is a seal and this seems to be Emilia's village before she got frozen, what do you expect to happen to an ominous seal surrounded by ice?

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


User0015 posted:

I might be the only one, but I didn't understand anything about this episode. I think I've completely lost the plot on this show. Geuse appearing normal, then acting the way he does when he sees emilia doesn't make sense to me.

We know Fortuna wanted to keep them separate for a reason, though apparently it wasn't a life and death matter. Personally his reaction reminds me quite a bit of Puck's reaction in the Frozen Bonds OVA.

User0015 posted:

I have no idea what the seal is.

:iiam: Though everything around it is frozen, so it's probably very cold.

User0015 posted:

I don't know what subaru's gate magic thing is, what happened to it or why he has ghost hands now.

Gate's are what people use to channel mana and cast spells. Subaru's never had good control of his to the point he had to spend arc 3 at Crusch's house getting treatment from Felix. At the beginning of the season he was told not to use magic again for two months. Breaking that rule caused his gate to shatter meaning he'll never use magic again.

He has ghost hands because after Petelguese died the witch factor he held went into Subaru. We don't know much in the way of specifics about what that is though.

User0015 posted:

In the last moments of the episode, somebody who I do not recognize at all shows up and talks how every shounen antagonist talks before a fight, but apparently I'm supposed to know who that is and I don't.

Rewatch the first episode of the season? He's one of the dudes that attacked Rem and Crusch's caravan.

User0015
Nov 24, 2007

Please don't talk about your sexuality unless it serves the ~narrative~!

AlternateNu posted:

For everything else, you should probably just go back and rewatch the first season + the first episode of season two. The rest of it isn't new, you just have probably forgotten all of it.

I kind of have, yeah. I've also completely forgotten what happened in Log Horizon, so this isn't specific to RE:Zero. I literally don't remember puck telling subaru he damaged his gate, or that he needed to rest for two months. That still doesn't explain where ghost hands come from or even what the Witch Factor is, but part of the issue is knowing what's still a mystery, and what's been explained a season ago that I've forgotten. It all just comes across as mystery now, and I'm lost.

LostRook posted:

Rewatch the first episode of the season? He's one of the dudes that attacked Rem and Crusch's caravan.

I honestly forgot any of that even happened. I don't remember what the *point* of that fight was. Was there any point to it at all?

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010



User0015 posted:


I honestly forgot any of that even happened. I don't remember what the *point* of that fight was. Was there any point to it at all?

The point was that Rem lost and got deleted from everyone's memories (except for Subaru's, but including yours, apparently)

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Tamba posted:

The point was that Rem lost and got deleted from everyone's memories (except for Subaru's, but including yours, apparently)

It also established the threat he posed by wiping out the entire caravan, with at least two extremely powerful fighters present there, so now when he appears in the trial here, we know how much danger Emelia et al are in.

User0015
Nov 24, 2007

Please don't talk about your sexuality unless it serves the ~narrative~!

Tamba posted:

The point was that Rem lost and got deleted from everyone's memories (except for Subaru's, but including yours, apparently)

I thought this was made clear before the fight even started, with Subaru realizing her own sister didn't recognize the name? I should probably just re-watch that scene, because I honestly barely remember it at all, and don't recall why it even exists in the story itself. It's not even the reason they go to the sanctuary, right? It isn't related at all to their purpose inside the sanctuary?

Hahaha, I just realized I don't even remember why they went to the sanctuary at this point. Was it to save Rem? Was it for Emilia?

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



User0015 posted:

I thought this was made clear before the fight even started, with Subaru realizing her own sister didn't recognize the name? I should probably just re-watch that scene, because I honestly barely remember it at all, and don't recall why it even exists in the story itself. It's not even the reason they go to the sanctuary, right? It isn't related at all to their purpose inside the sanctuary?

Hahaha, I just realized I don't even remember why they went to the sanctuary at this point. Was it to save Rem? Was it for Emilia?

When they returned from the whale hunt, everybody was gone, chilling out at the sanctuary and now every half-anything is stuck there, including Emilia.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





User0015 posted:

I thought this was made clear before the fight even started, with Subaru realizing her own sister didn't recognize the name? I should probably just re-watch that scene, because I honestly barely remember it at all, and don't recall why it even exists in the story itself. It's not even the reason they go to the sanctuary, right? It isn't related at all to their purpose inside the sanctuary?

Hahaha, I just realized I don't even remember why they went to the sanctuary at this point. Was it to save Rem? Was it for Emilia?

Rem was forgotten about in season 1 because of the whale (another gluttony aligned magical beast). The whale was killed in what should have been a pretty memorable fight scene involving Wilhelm finally catching and killing his metaphorical and literal Captain Ahab white whale.

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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



User0015 posted:

I kind of have, yeah. I've also completely forgotten what happened in Log Horizon, so this isn't specific to RE:Zero. I literally don't remember puck telling subaru he damaged his gate, or that he needed to rest for two months. That still doesn't explain where ghost hands come from or even what the Witch Factor is, but part of the issue is knowing what's still a mystery, and what's been explained a season ago that I've forgotten. It all just comes across as mystery now, and I'm lost.

Subaru inherited the slot witch factor from Petelguese after killing him. Echidna comments on this during their first meeting, I believe. And it's hinted that would happen even during their fights with how easily he was able to possess Subaru in those couple loops.

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