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Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

"I've carried this printer for 400 years and I'm not gonna stop now." - Local Clown Wizard

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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Nitrousoxide posted:

Hector had the same sort of lilt to his voice that modern Roswell has.
Hector stomped young Roswaal so hard he turned him into a clown who imitated him.

Edit: For anyone wondering how Roswaal is alive after 400 years, only the non-adapted WN reveals this: (I return by post-)
Roswaal has been body-hopping descendants of his so he could continue simping for Echidna's revival. The original Roswaal A is now in his 12th generation body, Roswaal L. He's also stupid rich because of this.

Grouchio fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Feb 17, 2021

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Modern-day Roswaal is essentially wearing the same garb as Hector, except with a more colorful palette and some extra flair. Also, hey, there you go, Melancholy.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





For all her talk about being an evil witch that occasionally does good things, it seems like it's more like she a good witch that occasionally does evil things.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



I guess we finally know what the masculine form of "witch" is.

Though we're still no closer to knowing what a witch is. Echidna seems to just be a normal (if skilled) magician, but some of the others clearly had "powers".

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Grouchio posted:

Hector stomped young Roswaal so hard he turned him into a clown who imitated him.

Edit: For anyone wondering how Roswaal is alive after 400 years, only the non-adapted WN reveals this: (I return by post-)

It's not explicit, but the second EX novel heavily implies what his deal is.

Hallucinogenic Toreador
Nov 21, 2000

Whoooooahh I'd be
Nothin' without you
Baaaaaa-by

Nitrousoxide posted:

For all her talk about being an evil witch that occasionally does good things, it seems like it's more like she a good witch that occasionally does evil things.

It turns out that even if you're completely amoral, treating people well is often an effective way to get what you want.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





They seem to be putting a lot of effort into hiding her eyes, which is really weird since it's not like we don't know what Echidna looks like.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

They seem to be putting a lot of effort into hiding her eyes, which is really weird since it's not like we don't know what Echidna looks like.

They did it last episode too I think with Subaru, I think there's something specific they're going for.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





The big reveal is that she actually doesn't have bushy eyelashes and she just wishes she does which is why her soul has them.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

This story is told from the perspective of Ryuzu Meyer, who saw Echidna as both a maternal figure and savior. It could be she was never able to look Echidna in the eyes out of respect and meekness so any of her memories wouldn't include them.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand], I require only that you [kneel]


i hope we escape from the land of endless flashbacks soon

Sazabi
Feb 15, 2014

A-MA-ZON!!

Grouchio posted:

Hector stomped young Roswaal so hard he turned him into a clown who imitated him.

Edit: For anyone wondering how Roswaal is alive after 400 years, only the non-adapted WN reveals this: (I return by post-)
Roswaal has been body-hopping descendants of his so he could continue simping for Echidna's revival. The original Roswaal A is now in his 12th generation body, Roswaal L. He's also stupid rich because of this.

so what you mean is there is a Roswaal hole? https://youtu.be/lIpev8JXJHQ

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Zetsubou-san posted:

i hope we escape from the land of endless flashbacks soon

Well, there's still 5 - 6 episodes left. And I'm guessing now that the confrontation with Roswaal and Emilia's trials are over, we're going into the final stretch of everything starting to unravel.

My concern is so much poo poo was "revealed" this loop that it's going to be a kick in the balls when the inevitable final death happens, booting Subaru back to pre-Otto punch. I wouldn't be surprised if after everything seems to be resolved, the last bit of info is revealed that allows Subaru to "complete" this loop by ending this episode's conversation with Roswaal differently.

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Feb 18, 2021

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


AlternateNu posted:

Well, there's still 5 - 6 episodes left. And I'm guessing now that the confrontation with Roswaal and Emilia's trials are over, we're going into the final stretch of everything starting to unravel.

My concern is so much poo poo was "revealed" this loop that it's going to be a kick in the balls when the inevitable final death happens, booting Subaru back to pre-Otto punch. I wouldn't be surprised if after everything seems to be resolved, the last bit of info is revealed that allows Subaru to "complete" this loop by ending this episode's conversation with Roswaal differently.

I doubt it. There's been too much character development for the non-Subaru characters for it to be undone like that at this point.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Same. I suspect the next time Subaru dies it's probably after they've already left the Sanctuary and his save point is to that.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand], I require only that you [kneel]



[x]

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


*finally catches up to episode 20*

THIS SHOW IS THE FUCKIN BEST!!! :perfect:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Pretty cool episode. Feels like we're definitely in the endgame for this arc.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005



Clapping Larry

Garfiel being so impressed with Subaru's own chuuni phrases was a good bit.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I'm real confused as to what is going on with Puck. I thought he was gone when her crystal broke

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm real confused as to what is going on with Puck. I thought he was gone when her crystal broke

He switched to one of the teleporting gems. He spoke before when Subaru beat Garfiel.

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.


Lurking Haro posted:

He switched to one of the teleporting gems. He spoke before when Subaru beat Garfiel.

You know what, in the past I always felt a little annoyed with all the extra plot stuff that seemed to be part of the novelizations, but either cut out completely in the anime or at least glossed over. I felt like by only watching the anime, I was missing out of interesting parts of the story. Like the anime was the stripped down, cliffnotes version.

But, I think I actually LIKE how we lose out on so much from the LN/WN in the anime adaptation. It creates such an excellent "wait what the gently caress is going on" feeling, like there's all this mysterious stuff happening just off screen that's really hard to keep track of... but unlike something like Lost or whatever, all those questions actually do have answers and the threads tie together in a meaningful way. And I can go back and look for little details like what you mention, that I may have missed, and... they'll actually be there!

Like drat this was just such a good episode. The confrontation with Ram and Roswaal was just so drat good.

Also Roswaal's voice actor continues to be a national treasure. :3:

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand], I require only that you [kneel]


yeah this episode rocked

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



XboxPants posted:

You know what, in the past I always felt a little annoyed with all the extra plot stuff that seemed to be part of the novelizations, but either cut out completely in the anime or at least glossed over. I felt like by only watching the anime, I was missing out of interesting parts of the story. Like the anime was the stripped down, cliffnotes version.

But, I think I actually LIKE how we lose out on so much from the LN/WN in the anime adaptation. It creates such an excellent "wait what the gently caress is going on" feeling, like there's all this mysterious stuff happening just off screen that's really hard to keep track of... but unlike something like Lost or whatever, all those questions actually do have answers and the threads tie together in a meaningful way. And I can go back and look for little details like what you mention, that I may have missed, and... they'll actually be there!

Like drat this was just such a good episode. The confrontation with Ram and Roswaal was just so drat good.

Also Roswaal's voice actor continues to be a national treasure. :3:

It's the third episode of this cour, 8 minutes in.
Subaru stabs Garfiel with the gem Frederica gave him and Emilia. Garfiel returns to human form and recognizes it as his sister's gem. Subaru then says there might be a really hungry cat inside, and Puck answers that's all he can do to help.

This must be some Mandela effect stuff for you.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_3AclV5CVI

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



Rock Piggie :allears:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

These episodes feel so short, but they're longer!

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I wonder why Echidna was tearing up? Moved by Emelia? Feeling conflicting feelings about her bringing down the sanctuary?

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004


The witch of envy killed all the other witches, right? Could just be that.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.


that scene is also Emilia explicitly declaring that she doesn't need her fantasies realized and just seeing them was enough (and by all appearances actually meaning it)

in front of the Witch of Greed

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Emilia's entire schtick re: Echidna since restarting the trials has been to completely reject her while carrying a smile. Seeing this from a person with the same face as the one who murdered you when you're used to being the grand chessmaster of manipulation is going to cause some emotional backlash.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011



Did the anime just leave out any explanation for why Emilia was raised the way she was, or is that something not revealed until later in the story? It feels like she has a real case of the Subarus where she doesnít try to gain any useful understanding about the world around her or her place in it.

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010


emelia hasn't really had a chance to ask someone, and the only person she could ask has spent like the entire time telling emelia that she can't stand her so

the only character we've seen her interact with at all who isn't likely "younger" than her is echidna. maybe roswaal but he didn't know Fortuna or the forest elves if he was around.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011



I donít need her to pull out a list of prepared questions for Echidna, I just wanted to see some indication that she thinks her past could be important and that she should figure part of it out so her new family isnít all murdered in the same way.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Ethiser posted:

I donít need her to pull out a list of prepared questions for Echidna, I just wanted to see some indication that she thinks her past could be important and that she should figure part of it out so her new family isnít all murdered in the same way.

It happens in the LN Echidna tells her to gently caress off

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



LostRook posted:

It happens in the LN Echidna tells her to gently caress off

Boooo. Thatís a crappy cut just because I love how non-plused Echidna is with her. I could watch them being catty to each other for another whole episode.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


AlternateNu posted:

Boooo. Thatís a crappy cut just because I love how non-plused Echidna is with her. I could watch them being catty to each other for another whole episode.

This season is 25 episodes long. But actually with the number of times that it has skipped the opening or ending it's actually 35 episodes long. They have to make some tough cuts.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


AlternateNu posted:

Boooo. Thatís a crappy cut just because I love how non-plused Echidna is with her. I could watch them being catty to each other for another whole episode.
Wait for Isekai Quartet season 3 I guess.

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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



LostRook posted:

This season is 25 episodes long. But actually with the number of times that it has skipped the opening or ending it's actually 35 episodes long. They have to make some tough cuts.

No, I understand. I'm just being a whiny rear end in the morning.

Grouchio posted:

Wait for Isekai Quartet season 3 I guess.

They need to put out the next season of Tanya before they try for another season of Quartet. :colbert:

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