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Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





AlternateNu posted:

No, I understand. I'm just being a whiny rear end in the morning.


They need to put out the next season of Tanya before they try for another season of Quartet. :colbert:

They can add spider isekai in their place for the next season.

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Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



Nitrousoxide posted:

They can add spider isekai in their place for the next season.

Yeah, time for a Tensei Tenkousei.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

You know, Aiko...
I really wanted to be killed by you.


Random Question: Anyone play the -Prophecy of the Throne- game? Good/bad? If the story is worth it and combat isn't a slog, I'll probably pick it up.

Logicblade
Aug 13, 2014

Festival with your real* little sister!


AlternateNu posted:

Random Question: Anyone play the -Prophecy of the Throne- game? Good/bad? If the story is worth it and combat isn't a slog, I'll probably pick it up.

It's a fairly short VN, about 12-ish hours to beat it once through. The combat is just... kinda there to rack up death ends, but it's not difficult or anything. I thought the character moments were a lot of fun, it was basically like a retelling of Arc 3 with "mysterious impostor" plot instead of White Whale Holy Grail

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I can't believe Ram is loving dead.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Interesting implication that Minerva may be Emilia's actual mother.

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010



Nitrousoxide posted:

I can't believe Ram is loving dead.

Also Puck, again?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

It's interesting how much Subaru's-Emilia's thing parallels itself with other characters.

As a side note Angry Ram is cute

So how exactly was Garfield able to finally overcome Elsa, is there a limit to her regeneration like she can't recover from being splattered?

I wonder what exactly was the significance of the meeting between Wrath and Emilia; my understanding is that Emilia's "real" mother is the Witch of Envy but I wonder why Emilia insisting her "actual" mother was Fortuna was important to Wrath?

And then what exactly went on after Emilia completed the trial, she couldn't seem to see Echidna's body for some reason? Will this be elaborated on later?

Did Gar's sister save The demon beast trainer? Is that on Petra's behalf?

Why is it snowing outside? My understanding is that its Mathers who casts that spell, but didn't Ram and Puck distract him from doing so? Will we find out next episode? I assume we'll have to deal with the Bunny Rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail soon!

Last observation being....? I think it was revealed that Mathers cast some kind of spell on Emilia, one to make her more depressed and despondant than she was supposed to be? Is that why she goes a little crazy in some of the bad timelines Subaru gets killed in? And this occurred when exactly, after Subaru and Emilia fought at some point?

Nitrousoxide posted:

I can't believe Ram is loving dead.

Hey you're only allowed to make that joke once per season! I'm ON to you sir!

Hogama posted:

Interesting implication that Minerva may be Emilia's actual mother.

Wait was Emilia a half-elf? I think I forgot that detail!

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Raenir Salazar posted:

So how exactly was Garfield able to finally overcome Elsa, is there a limit to her regeneration like she can't recover from being splattered?

I assume it's due to her being a vampire and having her blood drank by Garfiel when he bit her neck.

Now whether that will also turn him into a vampire or not I don't know.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

I assume it's due to her being a vampire and having her blood drank by Garfiel when he bit her neck.

Now whether that will also turn him into a vampire or not I don't know.

Hahahaha that would be an interesting development!

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Raenir Salazar posted:

Wait was Emilia a half-elf? I think I forgot that detail!
Yeah, that's one of the big things in setting. Being a half-elf is one reason she's been trapped in Sanctuary's barrier, and also one of the things even the common people in the world know about Satella is that she was a half-elf (and looks pretty much exactly like Emilia).

Edit: also for

Raenir Salazar posted:

And then what exactly went on after Emilia completed the trial, she couldn't seem to see Echidna's body for some reason? Will this be elaborated on later?
I think the implication isn't that she can't see Echidna's body - she asks "Who is this?" while they show us everything about the body but the face, so I think the face doesn't look like how we've seen Echidna in all the mindscape scenes.

Hogama fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 10, 2021

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Hogama posted:

Yeah, that's one of the big things in setting. Being a half-elf is one reason she's been trapped in Sanctuary's barrier, and also one of the things even the common people in the world know about Satella is that she was a half-elf (and looks pretty much exactly like Emilia).

Edit: also for

I think the implication isn't that she can't see Echidna's body - she asks "Who is this?" while they show us everything about the body but the face, so I think the face doesn't look like how we've seen Echidna in all the mindscape scenes.

That would be interesting because In mathers memories/flashbacks they don't show us Echidna's face either.

e: vvvv hahahahaa I ninja'd you!!!!

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Hogama posted:

Yeah, that's one of the big things in setting. Being a half-elf is one reason she's been trapped in Sanctuary's barrier, and also one of the things even the common people in the world know about Satella is that she was a half-elf (and looks pretty much exactly like Emilia).

Edit: also for

I think the implication isn't that she can't see Echidna's body - she asks "Who is this?" while they show us everything about the body but the face, so I think the face doesn't look like how we've seen Echidna in all the mindscape scenes.

Remember that in our flashback to real world Echidna they took great pains to avoid showing her face too!

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

How long ago exactly was Satella again?

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


The Great Calamity was 400 years ago.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


Raenir Salazar posted:

How long ago exactly was Satella again?
400 years. There's a 300 year gap between her era and Emilia's birth. She can't be the mother, and neither could Minerva (who also died back then).
Edit: Even in the LN/WNs time travel has yet to be proven to exist in this story.

Grouchio fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 10, 2021

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Well, I don't know if CAN'T is the appropriate word for the series, given that the circumstances of Emilia's parents has yet to be cleared up. We only know that she was in Fortuna's care and that her brother was supposedly the father.
It would seem UNLIKELY given the timeline, but even Fortuna wondered about how Emilia learned some of the outdated language she uses, and that was 100 years ago...

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Also they did mention that one of the witches was a vampire and still was killed.

A vain, unlikable, unusually young witch sure sounds familiar no?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

*The Entire John Galt Speech*


My money is on Emilia being the literal reincarnation of Satella and as such picked up her ancient volcabulary (because magic? who knows. it seems the most plausible theory)
As for who her parents actually were, I don't think Tappei will be revealing that before 2025.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Nitrousoxide posted:

Also they did mention that one of the witches was a vampire and still was killed.

A vain, unlikable, unusually young witch sure sounds familiar no?


I would guess the the one who is actually named for a vampire.

Paracelsus
Apr 5, 2009

bless this post ~kya


That episode had more plot than most series.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009



Nitrousoxide posted:

Also they did mention that one of the witches was a vampire and still was killed.

A vain, unlikable, unusually young witch sure sounds familiar no?


Weren't they all killed by Satella?
There also seem to be other witches, they just weren't named after the deadly sins. After all Emilia is the ice witch.

Buzzsaw Roomba
Feb 13, 2012

Christ, what an asshole.


This episode was a hell of a climactic payoff. Some instantly iconic moments for sure.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Lurking Haro posted:

Weren't they all killed by Satella?
There also seem to be other witches, they just weren't named after the deadly sins. After all Emilia is the ice witch.


I'm pretty sure she didn't kill all of them, just Echidna.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm pretty sure she didn't kill all of them, just Echidna.

What :psyduck:

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

Echidna is the only one who doesn't like her. Literally every other witch who has encountered her in front of the camera has had no ill will toward her.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010



College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

Echidna is the only one who doesn't like her. Literally every other witch who has encountered her in front of the camera has had no ill will toward her.

My reaction was more, "holy poo poo if true!" not "You're crazy!" to be clear. :)

Although my thinking is Echidna might just be the only one who is still pissed about it because as the avatar of greed she's the one with the most regrets. Wrath is probably fine with it because who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Gluttony's creations were still running around, sloth doesn't care, etc. Plus the fact that Emilia is presumably not the same person as the Witch of Envy, so why get upset at someone who looks just like her? "What are we, humans!?" Etc.

e: I think every Witch we've seen in Echidna's tea party space is presumably someone who has died and were absorbed by Satella, and I'm sure I remember it being stated explicitly that Satella killed and absorbed all the witches.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm pretty sure she didn't kill all of them, just Echidna.

I thought it was said she killed them all. But it's possible I am wrong

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

MonsterEnvy posted:

I thought it was said she killed them all. But it's possible I am wrong

It was explicitly stated that envy killed the others during Subaru's first tea party.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





MagicBoots posted:

It was explicitly stated that envy killed the others during Subaru's first tea party.

Rewatching it it does look like she said that. I guess I did misremember.

She has lied/misrepresented things quite a few times to Subaru though.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



This Book Empty YEET

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Annointed posted:

This Book Empty YEET

No his book had tons of stuff in it. So he is no doubt pissed.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013



MonsterEnvy posted:

No his book had tons of stuff in it. So he is no doubt pissed.

Enough to nuke the forest

Also Elsa, Garfield is 14. No don't you pedo

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Annointed posted:

Enough to nuke the forest

Also Elsa, Garfield is 14. No don't you pedo


To be fair to Elsa he looks way older then he is.

marumaru
May 20, 2013





holy poo poo, that episode was a masterpiece.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand], I require only that you [kneel]


:tviv:

also: Chekov's oil

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

You know, Aiko...
I really wanted to be killed by you.


That was the densest loving episode, plot-wise. :psyduck:

I've only watched the episode once so far, but I've gone through the third trial flash of one-liners. And I can pick out:
1. Gar threatening to kill Subaru.
2. Subaru calling out someone as a hero (probably Reinhardt).
3. An unknown old man voice talking about his granddaughter (probably related to Emilia).
4. Otto freaking out.
5. Priscilla? saying something about winning.
6. Rem calling a murderer a kind person.
7. Julius or Reinhardt? talking about giving up the sword.
8. Roswaal referencing himself not being alone.
9. Wilhelm calling someone out for not being able to wield a sword.

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Mar 11, 2021

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


AlternateNu posted:

That was the densest loving episode, plot-wise. :psyduck:
In order of speakers as confirmed by voice actors in the credits (from their first words, because there's overlapping voices):
1. Emilia: "I hate you. I hate you. I hate you so much. Since the day I met you, I've hated you so much, I can't bear it."
2. Subaru (angrily/mockingly): "You're a hero. A hero is all you can be."
Reinhard: "I..."
Subaru: "Thanks for the help!"

3. Wilhelm: "...you cannot even wield the sword without it, thief?!"
4. Petra: "Subaru, I know you and Emilia-neesama are both tired. I'm sorry. And yet I ended up just weighing you down further... I'm sorry."
5. Rom: "My precious granddaughter has grown into such a fine young lady, no?"
6. Otto: "If that's the case, I should've just been wrapped up in that cave and left for dead!"
7. Al: "I'm sorry I couldn't kill you."
8. Crusch: "Under no circumstances shall I be killed by something as nonsensical as a curse!"
9. Priscilla: "There, you see? I win again."
10. Ram: "To think someone I wanted to kill so badly turned out to be a kind person. What a nightmare."
11. Julius: "If I bend my knee and lose my sword, what is left for me?"
12. Anastasia (crying): "What's so hard about sayin' 'I don't want to be alone'?"
13. Garfiel: "I'm gonna kill you just like I promised, Natsuki Subaru!"
14. Roswaal: "I made the realization that I have not walked alone all this time, that is all."
15. Frederica: "I suppose we must shed every last drop of blood in our bodies to atone."
16. Felt: "You can just stand there running in place! Magic, dragons, whatever stands in my way, I'll destroy it!"
17. Felix/Ferris: "Why won't the soul take hold?!"
18. Rem: "I believe praying to ask for a favor is arrogant. Prayer should be for seeking forgiveness."

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

Not asking for specifics, but are those lines all actual flash forwards, or are some of them taken from the assorted AU routes that have been published for this series?

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Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

PRETTY SURE THAT ONE'S SARCASM, BOSS



The core premise of this show kindof destroys the idea of there being a fixed future.

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